Mary and Joseph

[sunlover1]

I wonder what other books were on there..

You can find the banned books lists right online.

They're not banned now though.
At least I don't think the Bible is
on the list any longer.

It was at one time.
Bible was banned.

That's nothing,
there was a time you
were killed for having
a Bible, by the
same group of people
I believe.

 

[Benedicta00]

You can find the banned books lists right online.

They're not banned now though.
At least I don't think the Bible is
on the list any longer.

It was at one time.
Bible was banned.

That's nothing,
there was a time you
were killed for having
a Bible, by the
same group of people
I believe.

Y'all have no idea what you all are talking about, do y'all?

certain translations were banned.

 

[PookySmiley]

Oh bull.

What?! Why bull? It happened, you don't have to like it, but it happened in Washington, DC. If you're calling me a liar, I'd appreciate an apology.

 

[IamAdopted]

They forbid this to keep thier power.. This is what it was all about.. If a translation came out that showed the error of the traditions of the church and what they deemed to be right they were called heretics and sought out.. Wycliff being one of them.. They not only killed him but dug up his bones and burned them again at a later time..

 

[Benedicta00]

What?! Why bull? It happened, you don't have to like it, but it happened in Washington, DC. If you're calling me a liar, I'd appreciate an apology.

It was never banned as condemn reading.

if you are going to present something- do it right, with honesty and integrity and not slander and spin.

let's get this straight... reading the bible in order to self interpret it is what was and still is discouraged, never the bible itself.

the Catholic Church is who canonized the bible, the Church hardly condemns it. She discourages ppl from reading it for the purpose of interpret it for themselves.

Why? becuase that can and has led to insane error. All anyone has to do is browse through CF and that is proven and apparent.

Self interpreting the bible leads many right into error and their arrogance and pride keeps them in error.

Why? because they think it's their right to read and discern for themselves what truth is.

The fact that anyone would be scandalized by the Church discouraging ppl from doing this in order to protect them from error, tells us this.

You are looking at this from the perspective that Protestants are right and from the view that sola scripture was always around.

It did not hit the seine until Luther. No one prior to Luther even heard of such nonsense, that we ARE to read the bible and be our own pope making doctrines and dogmas.

As if we have some inherit right to read the bible and choose for ourselves what is divine truth.

The Church's job was and is still to teach us the truth and keep us from error.

All the Church did in those days was her job.

The Church today still discourages ppl from reading the bible out of context trying to make themselves boss and deiced what is truth and what isn't.

So instead of presenting one small tid bit- give the whole picture least you make yourself look dishonest.

 

[Benedicta00]

They forbid this to keep thier power.. This is what it was all about.. If a translation came out that showed the error of the traditions of the church and what they deemed to be right they were called heretics and sought out.. Wycliff being one of them.. They not only killed him but dug up his bones and burned them again at a later time..

No that is not why- can you prove this slander?

 

[IamAdopted]

No that is not why- can you prove this slander?

Which do you call slander? The part about the reading of the bible or Wycliff?

 

[PookySmiley]

It was never banned as condemn reading.

if you are going to present something- do it right, with honesty and integrity and not slander and spin.

So instead of presenting one small tid bit- give the whole picture least you make yourself look dishonest.

I presented what I know to be a fact. Your discourse on the reason for it doesn't distract from it being true. It simply reinforces my statement and shows that it is indeed correct. I know an apology will not be coming from you, but your acknowledgement of my statement as factual will have to suffice.


btw, I never said it was

banned as condemn reading.

I said it was on a list of books that my friend shouldn't read and that list was given to her by a priest at her church.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

WOW...not be able to read it in case GOD FORBID He speak to you through HIS WORD??? I am sorry...but in Psalms it says...THY WORD have I hid in my heart so I might not sin against thee..HOW can you hide the Word in your heart if your not reading it. I love the way everything is..THAT is slander,...not true...cause it obviously disturbs some. WELL...gee...take a close look at the chruch not wanting you to see the TRUTH! GOODNESS...this is insane.

 

[sunlover1]

It was never banned as condemn reading.

if you are going to present something- do it right, with honesty and integrity and not slander and spin.

let's get this straight... reading the bible in order to self interpret it is what was and still is discouraged, never the bible itself.

COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.
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[Uphill Battle]

It was never banned as condemn reading.

if you are going to present something- do it right, with honesty and integrity and not slander and spin.

let's get this straight... reading the bible in order to self interpret it is what was and still is discouraged, never the bible itself.

the Catholic Church is who canonized the bible, the Church hardly condemns it. She discourages ppl from reading it for the purpose of interpret it for themselves.

Why? becuase that can and has led to insane error. All anyone has to do is browse through CF and that is proven and apparent.

Self interpreting the bible leads many right into error and their arrogance and pride keeps them in error.

Why? because they think it's their right to read and discern for themselves what truth is.

The fact that anyone would be scandalized by the Church discouraging ppl from doing this in order to protect them from error, tells us this.

You are looking at this from the perspective that Protestants are right and from the view that sola scripture was always around.

It did not hit the seine until Luther. No one prior to Luther even heard of such nonsense, that we ARE to read the bible and be our own pope making doctrines and dogmas.

As if we have some inherit right to read the bible and choose for ourselves what is divine truth.

The Church's job was and is still to teach us the truth and keep us from error.

All the Church did in those days was her job.

The Church today still discourages ppl from reading the bible out of context trying to make themselves boss and deiced what is truth and what isn't.

So instead of presenting one small tid bit- give the whole picture least you make yourself look dishonest.

short version: The RCC discourages reading the bible and coming to any other conclusion than what RCC says it means.

 

[Uphill Battle]

COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:

Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.
​

proof is in the puddin'.

good work.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Meanwhile... back in the east.

The Orthodox Churches were translating the scriptures so that people could read them in their native language.

Forgive me...

 

[IamAdopted]

At the ecumenical Council of Constance, in 1415, Wycliffe was posthumously condemned by Arundel, the archbishop of Canterbury, as "that pestilent wretch of damnable heresy who invented a new translation of the scriptures in his mother tongue." By the decree of the Council, more that 40 years after his death, Wycliffe's bones were exhumed and publicly burned and the ashes were thrown into the Swift river.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

wow, I am shocked...that is amazing to me...well, I am thankful I am a Nazerene...where I can read the Word myself...I don't even know what to say.

 

[Benedicta00]

short version: The RCC discourages reading the bible and coming to any other conclusion than what RCC says it means.

Pretty much yeah, since anything else is error.

 

[Benedicta00]

wow, I am shocked...that is amazing to me...well, I am thankful I am a Nazerene...where I can read the Word myself...I don't even know what to say.

Maybe that Wycliffe was a heretic so he was put to death but the government, was only tried by the Church.

Which wasn't a big deal since in those days hersey was seen as a crime punishable by death.

The reformers burned ppl too, so the Church is not the lone ranger here.

And JP2 made a universal apology for any part the Church had in any of those cases. They weren't called the Dark Ages for nothing, Melody.

 

[Benedicta00]

Interesting stuff here from a Non Catholic site.

We can all sling mud and spin and distort.

The Protestant Reformers Were Frauds

An Anabaptist speaks out.
Visit http://community.webtv.net/cyberministry/Articles
Also see Martin Luther, the Deranged Theologian
Martin Luther was not a great reformer like the history books teach, but he was a fraud!

Here are some quotes from Luther which shows that he taught the heresy of Once Saved Always Saved:

"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly for he is victorious over sin, death, and the world. As long as we are here in this world we have to sin. This life is not a dwelling place of righteousness"

"No sin will separate us from the lamb, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day."

"Whenever the devil harasses you, seek the company of men or drink more, or joke and talk nonsense, or do some other merry thing. Sometimes we must drink more, sport, recreate ourselves, and even sin a little to spite the devil, so that we leave him no place for troubling our consciences with trifles. We are conquered if we try too conscientiously not to sin at all. So when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to."

"The imputation of righteousness we need very much, because we are far from perfect. As long as we have this body, sin will dwell in our flesh. Then, too, we sometimes drive away the holy spirit; we fall into sin, like Peter, David, and other holy men. Nevertheless we may always take recourse to this fact, that our sins are covered, and that God will not lay them to our charge. Sin is not held against us for Christ's sake."

"your sin cannot cast you into hell"

"No sin can harm me"


LUTHER WAS AN ANTI-SEMITE

Here are some quite shocking quotes from Luther which show that he was a rabid anti-Semite:

"The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows, seven times higher than ordinary thieves"

"We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them."

"The blind Jews are truly stupid fools"

"Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people."

"eject them forever from this country"

"they are nothing but thieves and robbers"

"What then shall we do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?"

"Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews"

"They are the real liars and bloodhounds"

"We are at fault for not slaying them."

"I shall give you my sincere advice: first to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them."

"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."

"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews."

"Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them"

"If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs"

"If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the river Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with the words `I baptize thee in the name of Abraham'."


Martin Luther was not a Christian man, but, instead, he was a brutal man who persecuted the Jews unmercifully.

The word of God calls Martin Luther a liar:

1John 4:20- If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


LUTHER CONDONED THE DEATHS OF A 100,000 PEASANTS

The peasants of Germany revolted in 1525 because of their miserable living conditions and were slaughtered at the behest of Martin Luther!


Here is a quote from Luther that will send chills up your spine:

"They should be knocked to pieces, strangled and stabbed, secretly and openly, by everybody who can do it, just as one must kill a mad dog!"


Are these the words of a Christian and a great reformer? I think not! Luther was an evil man who urged the slaughter of the poor who had revolted. He told people to knock the peasants to pieces and strangle and stab them. 100,000 German peasants were horribly slaughtered in the revolt!



JOHN CALVIN WAS A MURDERER

Not only was the founder of Calvinism, John Calvin, a great deceiver, but he was also a murderer!


Here are John Calvin's own words about Michael Servetus:

"If he(Servetus) comes(to Geneva), I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."

"I hope that the verdict will call for the death penalty."

In Geneva, on October 27, 1553, Michael Servetus was tied to a stake and was burned slowly to death:

www.encyclopedia.com/articlesnew/11716.html


Here is what John Calvin had to say about Michael Servetus after he was burned to death:

"Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that(they allege) I would like to kill again the man I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face."

"Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt."


John Calvin was not a Christian, my friends, but he was an egotistical tyrant and a cold-blooded killer!

How anyone can follow the warped teachings of this deranged monster from the past is beyond belief.

A man named Sebastian Castellio wrote against what Calvin did to Servetus and he made this tremendous statement:

"To kill a man is not to defend a doctrine. It is to kill a man!"

Castellio paid a great price for standing up to Calvin the tyrant. He was hounded and persecuted by John Calvin until his death.

Murderers like John Calvin and Martin Luther are not Christians:

1 John 3:15- ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

For more on Calvin see Calvinism and The Servetus Murder

In five years, 1542-46, Geneva, with 16,000 inhabitants, had fifty-seven executions and seventy-six banishments. All these sentences were sanctioned by John Calvin.

Let's take a look at the two so-called great reformers of the protestant reformation:

1. Martin Luther was a false teacher, a racist, a persecutor and a murderer!

2. John Calvin was a false teacher, a deranged tyrant, a persecutor and a murderer!


The Protestant Reformation was a farce!


THE PROTESTANT `REFORMERS' PERSECUTED, TORTURED AND SLAUGHTERED THE ANABAPTISTS

Link to true accounts of how the Anabaptists were tortured and murdered at the hands of the Protestants:

"The Martyrs Mirror"

www.homecomers.org/mirror/contents.htm


Do Christians persecute, torture and murder other human beings? Of course they don't! The Protestant Reformers were not Christians, but they were bloody evil men. Also see
Marcion the First Protestant?
Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity
The Heresy of Luther: Reformation Undone
Martin Luther Quotes

Point is, he who is with out sin may throw the first stone. I don't kow how you all don't feel convicted for the stones you throw at the Catholic Church.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Meanwhile... back in the east.

What happened to the O.P. ?

Forgive me...

 

[Benedicta00]

Which do you call slander? The part about the reading of the bible or Wycliff?

Both.