Martin Luther's "editing"

KC Catholic · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
As for the licking wounds and the other comments about how catholics are so mistreated,
*GEL starts playing the violin*
heheh
GEL

So, GEL, how does this comment prompt unity?

Annabel Lee · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by KC Catholic

So, GEL, how does this comment prompt unity?

It doesn't.

GreenEyedLady · Jun 5, 2002

The point is you guys act like your the only ones who have ever been hurt or attacked or mistreated on this site. This is not the case. Some of the comments that were made about how protestants treat catholics were in my opinion, were a little far stretched.
My violin playing is just a joke...but I can see that you took it the wrong way.
Sorry.
GEL

KC Catholic · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
The point is you guys act like your the only ones who have ever been hurt or attacked or mistreated on this site.

I never said we were the only ones. But let's face facts which group is in the majority and which is in the minority? It's easy to rationalize that everyone gets hurt when we are in the majority.

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
Some of the comments that were made about how protestants treat catholics were in my opinion, were a little far stretched.

Oh really? How long were you Catholic growing up? Were you an active Catholic who lived it everyday or a lukewarm Catholic who didn't care what the church taught and so no one really bothered you with it.

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
My violin playing is just a joke...but I can see that you took it the wrong way.
Sorry.
GEL

I would bet dollars to doughnuts if VOW or myself made the same comment - you would have come unglued. You rarely miss an opportunity to zing us.

WayneH · Jun 5, 2002

raising My hand and trying to do the best Horshack impersonation - ohohohohohoh as I wave My arm.... hey hey hey.. I have a question please... and might as well throw in 2 cents worth of whatever....

My comment - not that it was done by any of the loving cathoics we have here... but I was TOLD by several catholics at another site that I do not have the truth because I am a protestant - that the Ctholic Chuirch is the ONLY Church that has the truth.. ok - just wanted ot make that comment...

pointing My finger at GEL - shame girl.... ten lashes with a wet noodle for saying teh violin comment...

My question after I already did My impersonation.. and this goes out to ALL the people reading posting or otherwise goofing off in here...

WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS ARGUEING HAVE TO DO WITH LUTHER EDITING ANYTHING??????????????? ok - crawling out the door.. ya'all have a wonderful day - taking My toys and going home...

GreenEyedLady · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by KC Catholic

I never said we were the only ones. But let's face facts which group is in the majority and which is in the minority? It's easy to rationalize that everyone gets hurt when we are in the majority.

I don't think it matters who is in What majority...what matters is that people are not truley forgiving each other about the past posts..that is shown by the past comments on this thread.

Oh really? How long were you Catholic growing up? Were you an active Catholic who lived it everyday or a lukewarm Catholic who didn't care what the church taught and so no one really bothered you with it.

I was very active in my faith as a catholic. I know most of the doctrines but it has been a long time and things have been taught differantly throughout the years. 22 years to be exact. So i guess the past 10 years I have been a bible believing christian.

I would bet dollars to doughnuts if VOW or myself made the same comment - you would have come unglued. You rarely miss an opportunity to zing us.
You better get me krispy creams!!!! I have been told by more than 5 people (admins)I have done good job keeping my comments "low key" to Vow especially. I have ignore many many comments that I wouldn't have in the past. I really just don't care anymore you know. I know what is truth and I feel i am grounded in truth my the Word of God thats all that really matters to me.I don't think you and I ever really got into it. Maybe I am mistaken .

KC Catholic · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by WayneH
but I was TOLD by several catholics at another site that I do not have the truth because I am a protestant - that the Ctholic Chuirch is the ONLY Church that has the truth..

Well...my apologies for their obvious misinformation. Their comment is NOT true and if you hear someone say that to you again, please correct them kindly.

The Pope has stated in documentation that we are in essence "separated bretheren" and that non-Catholic Christians have the same access to Christ, salvation, etc., that Catholics have.

The part that is different is where Sacred Tradition and Sacraments come into play and anyone can see that there is a difference.

The Catholic Church has all 7 sacaraments where the Protestant church has, I believe only 2: Baptism and Confirmation. The church claims it contains the full deposit of faith from Christ and the Disciples.

Someone correct me if I am wrong on the sacaraments.

Does that make Catholics better than Protestants? Absolutely not and if someone tells you it does, they're wrong.

We believe we have the complete deposit of teachings, both written and oral. That's all. Protestants do not accept Oral/Sacred Tradition, Holy Orders, Eucharist, Anointing of the Sick or treat Marriage as a sacrament - its all factual.

And its not meant as a slam, putdown or a way to "one-up" the other. We argue over this very issue every day.

MissytheButterfly · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by KC Catholic

Well...my apologies for their obvious misinformation. Their comment is NOT true and if you hear someone say that to you again, please correct them kindly.

The Pope has stated in documentation that we are in essence "separated bretheren" and that non-Catholic Christians have the same access to Christ, salvation, etc., that Catholics have.

The part that is different is where Sacred Tradition and Sacraments come into play and anyone can see that there is a difference.

The Catholic Church has all 7 sacaraments where the Protestant church has, I believe only 2: Baptism and Confirmation. The church claims it contains the full deposit of faith from Christ and the Disciples.

Someone correct me if I am wrong on the sacaraments.

Does that make Catholics better than Protestants? Absolutely not and if someone tells you it does, they're wrong.

We believe we have the complete deposit of teachings, both written and oral. That's all. Protestants do not accept Oral/Sacred Tradition, Holy Orders, Eucharist, Anointing of the Sick or treat Marriage as a sacrament - its all factual.

And its not meant as a slam, putdown or a way to "one-up" the other. We argue over this very issue every day.

I have to correct you here KC, I am Protestant and the 2 sacraments are Baptism and Communion..not confirmation.. So we do believe in the Eucharist..we just don't call it that..we call it Holy Communion, or The Lord's Supper, etc..I do think Lutherans still refer to it as the Eucharist though

My church in particular does believe in the annointing of the sick and marriage..but not as sacraments..

Holy Orders as far as the priest hood, yes we believe this is WELL justified and a correct means for serving God, we just don't believe in the they shouldn't get married idea.

The nuns, we don't accept..so I guess it's half and half with holy orders.

But no we do not agree with Oral tradition..most Protestants believe in written tradition..

VOW · Jun 5, 2002

To Missy:

Holy Orders refer ONLY to the priesthood, not to women in God's service. It has to do with the Apostolic Succession.

The concept of marriage not being a Sacrament is another legacy from Luther. He felt it should be a CIVIL contract, and the Church should have no part in it. In Germany today, couples marry twice: once at City Hall, and the second time in Church.

And as for Tradition, Protestants have several traditions of their own. A past thread on "The Lord's Prayer" revealed that to be the case!

Peace be with you,
~VOW

KC Catholic · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by MissytheButterfly

I have to correct you here KC, I am Protestant and the 2 sacraments are Baptism and Communion..not confirmation.. So we do believe in the Eucharist..we just don't call it that..we call it Holy Communion, or The Lord's Supper, etc..I do think Lutherans still refer to it as the Eucharist though

Thanks, I knew I might be off.

Originally posted by MissytheButterfly
My church in particular does believe in the annointing of the sick and marriage..but not as sacraments..

Holy Orders as far as the priest hood, yes we believe this is WELL justified and a correct means for serving God, we just don't believe in the they shouldn't get married idea.

The nuns, we don't accept..so I guess it's half and half with holy orders.

But no we do not agree with Oral tradition..most Protestants believe in written tradition..

My point exactly about the differences. Thanks.

KC Catholic · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
You better get me krispy creams!!!!.

My favorites.

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
I have been told by more than 5 people (admins)I have done good job keeping my comments "low key" to Vow especially. I have ignored many many comments that I wouldn't have in the past. I really just don't care anymore you know. I know what is truth and I feel i am grounded in truth my the Word of God thats all that really matters to me.

Well, I feel the same way, too.

Originally posted by GreenEyedLady
I don't think you and I ever really got into it. Maybe I am mistaken .

No, we havent. Barvarian creme?

WayneH · Jun 5, 2002

waving My arm again and impersonating horshack... ohohohohoh...........

thanks KC.. I did just that - though it didn't mean anything to them... however......... NOBODY answered My question......... What does all this argueing have to do with Luther editing - or the costof eggs on a sunday????

personally - I think we all need a lil *lol*

VOW · Jun 5, 2002

To Wayne:

If you are taking a vote, I'd rather have Krispy Kremes ANY day over Martin Luther!

(just the plain glazed for me.......minimum three dozen, and the first person who gives me a look that says, "with a rear end THAT size, you certainly don't need even ONE" is gonna get smacked!)

Peace and doughnuts,
~VOW

WayneH · Jun 5, 2002

nah......... never say anything about a womans rear end being big - BUT ( No pun intended ) - if the caboose needs a light then someone needs to rethink donuts.........

prefer apple filled cinnamon..........

and no - no voting - just raising My hand to have soemone answer the QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOW · Jun 5, 2002

To Wayne:

Donuts, yes.

But Krispy Kremes are a VITAMIN.

(just like chocolate)

Peace,
~VOW

MissytheButterfly · Jun 5, 2002

VOW, well the are the best tasting vitamins I ever tasted! LOL

Missy

VOW · Jun 5, 2002

To Missy:

Yes ma'am. And just keep REPEATING to yourself, "This is a VITAMIN. This is a VITAMIN."

Peace and vitamins,
~VOW

MissytheButterfly · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by VOW
To Missy:

Holy Orders refer ONLY to the priesthood, not to women in God's service. It has to do with the Apostolic Succession.

The concept of marriage not being a Sacrament is another legacy from Luther. He felt it should be a CIVIL contract, and the Church should have no part in it. In Germany today, couples marry twice: once at City Hall, and the second time in Church.

And as for Tradition, Protestants have several traditions of their own. A past thread on "The Lord's Prayer" revealed that to be the case!

Peace be with you,
~VOW

Now I have to say that is very strange VOW, I went to Catholic School and I was taught that Holy Orders do include nuns..oh well..

I made the statement that most Protestants believe only in written tradition..not all.

As for marriage I don't know where it's a civil issue or not for some but I don't have a problem those that believe it is or isn't..but my church doesn't base everything on what Luther believed or taught. I am an African Methodist Epsicopal..and we believe that Baptism and Communion are the only 2 sacraments instituted by Christ.

Missy

MissytheButterfly · Jun 5, 2002

Originally posted by VOW
To Missy:

Yes ma'am. And just keep REPEATING to yourself, "This is a VITAMIN. This is a VITAMIN."

Peace and vitamins,
~VOW

LOL, I don't eat Doughnuts any more..LOL..I used to love them though..

Missy

KC Catholic · Jun 5, 2002

/me sensing there is a need for comfort food uses his "Super Speed" and travels to the nearest Krispy Kreme Doughnuts Shop and returns with an armload of doughnuts. Wiping the crumbs from his cape, he hands out Krispy Kremes for all!

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