Mark of the Beast

[guyver]

Notice a key word in Rev 19.20 - "deceived". Question is, how were the people deceived?

revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.

From this scripture it appears that the people who took the mark were deceived by the signs that the false prophet performed. Now all we have to do is find out what were the signs that he was performing that could somehow fool these people into taking a mark of elegance.

 

[alertandawake]

revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.

From this scripture it appears that the people who took the mark were deceived by the signs that the false prophet performed. Now all we have to do is find out what were the signs that he was performing that could somehow fool these people into taking a mark of elegance.

And this is the $64,000 question. So we need to look at it from a rational and logical point of view. So maybe the reference could be related to some kind of evidence or proof, evidence that has been fabricated with the intention to mislead people. Perhaps the evidence is presented in a truthful manner, but not in its entire form, perhaps parts of it omitted, or certain parts downplayed with the intention to mislead people.

If the people took it, they had to believe it was beneficial to them. After all, you don't deceive someone into taking something that already benefits them, that makes no sense. The most obvious conclusion would be that the people took something they believed was beneficial to them but in reality it was dangerous to there well being.

Just to side step for a moment and briefly go off topic, going by your username guyver, I take it you know of the anime series?

 

[guyver]

Just to side step for a moment and briefly go off topic, going by your username guyver, I take it you know of the anime series?

Yeah I had re watched the movie previous to registering and couldn"t think of a user name so.......
Ohh and there was one sign the false prophet did that is actually mentioned , although I'm not sure what it would mean to the average person , or how it could be used to deceive them , and that is the fire coming down from heaven to the earth.

 

[alertandawake]

Ohh and there was one sign the false prophet did that is actually mentioned , although I'm not sure what it would mean to the average person , or how it could be used to deceive them , and that is the fire coming down from heaven to the earth.

Have to admit this one has got me baffled. Maybe could be looking at something manmade? Artifical Ultraviolent Radiation perhaps?

 

[alertandawake]

Do you think covid passport is linked to the mark of the beast

This is a very good question.

I not going to say it is, I not going to say it is not. Read up about the smallpox epidemic in the US between 1899 to 1905. It is a very interesting read, as it shows a passport system back then, and depending on your research you will come across details of people going to great lengths to fake a vaccination scar just to show they been vaccinated. It is reasonable to conclude all the way back then, there would of been those who thought this was the mark of the beast back then.

I do however see a lot of similarities between a vaccination passport system and the mark of the beast (especially when looking at the greek meanings of the words used).

But looking at everything from a logical and theoretical point of view, including practical applications, it would stand to reason it has to be universal, everywhere the same, all restrictions imposed on those who refuse the mark would have to be the same and ongoing, and those who refuse will have consequences to face with.

What is worrying me, is now there are countries (Greece and Austria) that are imposing fines on people who refuse to be vaccinated.

 

[Torah Keeper]

I suspect the mark will permanently change the DNA. Once taken, you are something like a cyborg/chimera/posthuman. So you are no longer in the image of God. There is no going back. It will probably be some type of mind-control software that makes you one with the system, literally. The tech is not there yet but fast approaching.

On the conspiracy topic, I saw an article about "parasites" in the covid vaccines. However I have not ruled out the possibility that they are not parasites but nanobots instead. At this point I assume they are collecting and transmitting data, if they are real.

The mRNA vaccines are getting dangerously close to mRNA implants. Think of an RFID chip that can be programmed to force your body to produce any organic molecule on demand, no need for injections anymore.

And later DNA modifying chips. This is the end of humanity and the return of the nephilim. The devil wants all humans DNA to be corrupted so the nephilim can once again rule the world as they did before the flood. Pure humans will be rare and persecuted, like Noah and his family. This is what is meant by Noah being "perfect in his generations"(perfect in his genes because he was 100% human).

That's my theory anyway.

 

[alertandawake]

I suspect the mark will permanently change the DNA. Once taken, you are something like a cyborg/chimera/posthuman. So you are no longer in the image of God. There is no going back. It will probably be some type of mind-control software that makes you one with the system, literally. The tech is not there yet but fast approaching.

I too thought about this. The merging of man and machine. Transhumanism. We not far from it. I have myself thought about the mark of the beast being connected to some sort of permanent mind control.

On the conspiracy topic, I saw an article about "parasites" in the covid vaccines. However I have not ruled out the possibility that they are not parasites but nanobots instead. At this point I assume they are collecting and transmitting data, if they are real.

Well that could explain why Ivermectin has been used. A quick search on the internet, one will see Ivermectin is an anti-parasite drug.

 

[martymonster]

Do you think covid passport is linked to the mark of the beast

The mark is spiritual.

 

[alertandawake]

The mark is spiritual.

Then explain how businesses will be able to identify people when it comes to engaging in commerce for the purposes of "buying and selling"?

If a specific kind of mark or means of identification is needed, then it has to be something that a business (or a place of employment for that matter) will have to be able to verify.

So if its spiritual, then how can the mark be verified then? You think businesses are going to take the person's word they have been "marked"?

 

[alertandawake]

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[martymonster]

Then explain how businesses will be able to identify people when it comes to engaging in commerce for the purposes of "buying and selling"?

If a specific kind of mark or means of identification is needed, then it has to be something that a business (or a place of employment for that matter) will have to be able to verify.

So if its spiritual, then how can the mark be verified then? You think businesses are going to take the person's word they have been "marked"?

The buy and selling is also spiritual. It's not a literal buying and selling.

 

[martymonster]

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The mark just shows that you are still a beast, and not overcome the flesh. Man is a beast.

 

[alertandawake]

The buy and selling is also spiritual. It's not a literal buying and selling.

Still does not explain how a work place or place of business can identify people who have been marked if the mark is spiritual?

For example, when the requirement comes for people to be marked in order to buy and sell, then as a business owner or employee will need to verify if the customer is marked, how can they do that if it is "spiritual" ?

 

[martymonster]

Still does not explain how a work place or place of business can identify people who have been marked if the mark is spiritual?

For example, when the requirement comes for people to be marked in order to buy and sell, then as a business owner or employee will need to verify if the customer is marked, how can they do that if it is "spiritual" ?

Revelation is not talking about that kind of buying a selling.
Here is an example of buying and selling.


Mar 11:15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;
Mar 11:16 And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple.
Mar 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

 

[alertandawake]

Revelation is not talking about that kind of buying a selling.

Oh yes it is.

The verses concerned are very clear, a means of identification is needed to engage in business. The only question is, what manner of identification has the person been identified as?

 

[martymonster]

Oh yes it is.

The verses concerned are very clear, a means of identification is needed to engage in business. The only question is, what manner of identification has the person been identified as?

If that verse is to be taken literally, then so must all of them.

 

[alertandawake]

If you want to believe that the mark of the beast is symbolic or spiritual, that is your choice.

But I look at the evidence of what is happening in the world today. I find it amazing the similarities between a vaccination requirement and the mark of the beast is incredible. And I see the similarities because I looked at the Greek words used and notice the many different alternative English words that could be used in place of what is used in the translations provided.

To me it stands to reason those who are paying attention to where we are headed would be given a preview of what is to come.

 

[Torah Keeper]

It was not possible for parts of Revelation to be literal when John wrote it. But with modern technology, what was once thought to be symbolic can now be literal.

The mark is placed in the right hand or in the forehead. A computer chip?

The image of the beast is literally called a statue that is alive in the Greek. A robot?

 

[martymonster]

It was not possible for parts of Revelation to be literal when John wrote it. But with modern technology, what was once thought to be symbolic can now be literal.

The mark is placed in the right hand or in the forehead. A computer chip?

The image of the beast is literally called a statue that is alive in the Greek. A robot?

Yeah, I suppose. It's quite foolish really, thinking that a book written by God, who is spirit, would actually be spiritual in nature, rather than literal.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Sarcasm aside, we will see which parts are symbolic snd which are literal.

The problem with making prophecy too symbolic is there is no end to it. You can say anything is anything and all is fulfilled.

If a prophecy makes literal sense, why make it symbolic?