Mariology

[repentant]

Genuflecting? Do you subscribe to "word of the day"? Lol..

Again, you are speaking of an outward appearance, but you can't speak of what is in the heart. This is what Kepha is saying...so stop with the bearing false witness..

 

[Hentenza]

Mine too. I will defend the True Faith to the death...

I just don't see how you can say your's is clear, after you add things to Scripture, and demean His Church...

I don't have to defend anything. You are the one claiming unbiblical doctrine, like the perpetual virginity of Mary, Mary being God's wife, etc. The burden of proof is on you, buddy, not me. The EO is part of His church but is not THE church. His church is the body of Christ composed of all believers.
Your claims that I have added things to scripture is just that, your claim. Show me where I have.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Wow you read fast.

Yep, I do actually. SO, now stop stalling and please answer my question. Explain to me how genuflecting isn't bowing the knee? when by your own link you proved it was...

 

[Kepha]

Yep, I do actually. SO, now stop stalling and please answer my question. Explain to me how genuflecting isn't bowing the knee? when by your own link you proved it was...

There is nothing to answer. It's all in that link. You misunderstood repentant by the way.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Genuflecting? Do you subscribe to "word of the day"? Lol..

Again, you are speaking of an outward appearance, but you can't speak of what is in the heart. This is what Kepha is saying...so stop with the bearing false witness..

did you notice it was a link HE himself provided? or did you just not read any of that? Before you make assumptions..how bout reading. You are really making yourself look foolish.

 

[repentant]

To genuflect [Latin genu flectere, geniculare (post-classic), to bend the knee; Greek gonu klinein or kamptein] expresses:


SO, by your OWN link you proved you DO bow the knee...that Repentant mockingly said you didn't do?? Am I reading this right? This is YOUR OWN link YOU provided.

I don't want to look at your catechism...I want what YOU personally think then. You say you aren't genuflecting...so what are you doing?

Originally Posted by repentant
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them

SEEMS a bit of a double standard happening here...someone straighten me out...I hope this isn't 'brother doesn't mean brother" type of thing...genuflect doesn't mean bow down...BUT by your own link..IT sure does. So yeah, I did read the link...

Wow how you so don't like to actually quote what people say...this is what I said..

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them

I think you should learn what is meant here...you think He means a movement at the waist...but that is not what He is reffering to..He is reffering to bowing in submission, which would be WORSHIP. By your sarcastic witty response (like always) you are saying we worship icon's, which is completely false. When will you stop the bearing false witness?

Wow, just wow. And why not look at their cathecism? Do you just choose to remain ignorant of other people's faith's and accuse them blindly?

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

There is nothing to answer. It's all in that link. You misunderstood repentant by the way.

You are not going to answer? Ok...so you provide me a link to tell me what genuflecting was...ok..you do it in your church, but it isn't bowing the knee..when it is RIGHT there in YOUR OWN LINK?? I get it. You don't like being called out...oh well. People can read and see the hypocrisy.

 

[Kepha]

REPENTANT...I am NOT bearing false witness by asking a question..and now that he is caught in a lie...he is side stepping the question. HE PROVIDED the link that I referenced...DO YOU HAVE a problem with that???

Who's caught in what lie. You really are reading to fast cause you are totally missing what we are saying. Show me where I said we dont' bow. PLeeeeeeeease do that. And show me where he said it without snipping out most of his answer. Your missing the bow in submission part.

 

[Kepha]

You are not going to answer? Ok...so you provide me a link to tell me what genuflecting was...ok..you do it in your church, but it isn't bowing the knee..when it is RIGHT there in YOUR OWN LINK?? I get it. You don't like being called out...oh well. People can read and see the hypocrisy.

Take a breather HBM. Go look back at how this progressed. There is an obvious misunderstanding going on between all of our posts.

 

[repentant]

I don't have to defend anything. You are the one claiming unbiblical doctrine, like the perpetual virginity of Mary, Mary being God's wife, etc. The burden of proof is on you, buddy, not me. The EO is part of His church but is not THE church. His church is the body of Christ composed of all believers.
Your claims that I have added things to scripture is just that, your claim. Show me where I have.

No the burden of proof would be on those who deny 2000 years of Church Tradition and the teachings of the Apostles. I gave you proof anyway, you jsut choose to ignore it..and please, please show me how your doctrine if Mary having other children is Biblical? Please, it is not in there, not one word.

 

[Hentenza]

To genuflect [Latin genu flectere, geniculare (post-classic), to bend the knee; Greek gonu klinein or kamptein] expresses:


SO, by your OWN link you proved you DO bow the knee...that Repentant mockingly said you didn't do?? Am I reading this right? This is YOUR OWN link YOU provided.

Maybe genuflect doesn't really mean genuflect or maybe bowing doesn't really mean bowing :o

 

[Kepha]

kinda like what YOU do??

See. He is talking about the actual movement 'without the worship' not that the movement isnt done.

 

[repentant]

did you notice it was a link HE himself provided? or did you just not read any of that? Before you make assumptions..how bout reading. You are really making yourself look foolish.

No I didn't read it, as it wasn't put there for me. Unlike you, I actually know what the Catholic stance is and who they worship...

 

[Hentenza]

No the burden of proof would be on those who deny 2000 years of Church Tradition and the teachings of the Apostles. I gave you proof anyway, you jsut choose to ignore it..and please, please show me how your doctrine if Mary having other children is Biblical? Please, it is not in there, not one word.

But it is, junior, it is. You just choose to ignore it by believing unbiblical outside sources. So where does the bible say that Mary was God's wife?

 

[Kepha]

Maybe genuflect doesn't really mean genuflect or maybe bowing doesn't really mean bowing :o

Shhhhh, of course I kneel and bow when I genuflect. But I do not do it to worship as what that commandment means. It isnt talking about the act of movement of the waist only but both combined.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

No I didn't read it, as it wasn't put there for me. Unlike you, I actually know what the Catholic stance is and who they worship...

Yep, Ok

 

[repentant]

But it is, junior, it is. You just choose to ignore it by believing unbiblical outside sources. So where does the bible say that Mary was God's wife?

Well since the EV of Mary was believed by ALL Christians for 1700 years, including the first reformer's, then the burden is on you to PROVE they were wrong for 1700 years. I don't have to prove anything..

I'lll show you where it says Mary is God's wife, when you show me where it say's Mary had other children...obviously you don't understand symbolism..

 

[Hentenza]

You are a tool. Really you are. You try to act sarcastic by posting an English word against the SAME English word, big difference when it is TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES..

Yunaika means yunaika which means WOMAN in ENGLISH.

Yes, repentant, we all know about your unique command of languages. Let me know when your PHD arrives in the mail so I can send you a present.

 

[repentant]

Yes, repentant, we all know about your unique command of languages. Let me know when your PHD arrives in the mail so I can send you a present.

Can you even understand one sentence in Greek? yet you mock someone who IS GREEK...

And still waiting for those verses saying Mary had other children..

Also, can you show me one quote, source, etc where it speaks against Mary's EV prior to oh, let's say 1800 AD?

 

[jckstraw72]

But it is, junior, it is. You just choose to ignore it by believing unbiblical outside sources. So where does the bible say that Mary was God's wife?

where does the Bible say that everything we believe must be written in the Bible?