Manitoba Bus Incident. (Somewhat graphic!)

[mpok1519]

I don't think there is any clear answer ever in life, is there?

 

[quatona]

Why not let them live out a torturous existance?

A good argument against making the life of someone a torturous existence for a punishment would be that one of our main purposes in societal rules, regulations and jurisdiction is to prevent torturous existences from being willfully inflicted on someone.

 

[jcook922]

Maybe he wanted the window seat?

 

[seeker777]

When I heard about this, I was literally sick to my stomach. I only thought that this kind of thing happened in movies! I seriously did.

Recently I've heard the killer also gutted him, then ate some of it. It's just so....Hollywood!!! Why does this thing happen???

Living in Canada, we are peaceful. My dad put it best, "I didn't think these thing happened here." No one did! I felt so safe in country, now what?

Do you think this man was sick? Evil? Looking for attention? I don't know who could do this to someone so innocent.

Put it in perspective.

33 million people live in Canada...one act of random depravity should not cause you to fear living in this country.

The man clearly has had some kind of horrible mental break down.

S**t happens.

 

[seeker777]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Canadian_serial_killers

Apparently things like that DO happen in Canada.

Also, there wasn't any "gutting & eating him". That's just a paranoid, overexaggerated rumour.

Actually, police have confirmed that when they searched him....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080805.wbus06/BNStory/National/home

"Court was told Tuesday that when he was arrested, Mr. Li was carrying a plastic bag containing a human nose, ear and part of a mouth, believed to be Mr. McLean's, and that police officers saw him hacking at and eating the corpse. During the ensuing standoff RCMP officers heard him say, “I have to stay on the bus forever.”

 

[seeker777]

how is it too bad ?? so he gets killed... not only does that make the rest of us no better than him but it lets him off lightly.

i think it was Gandhi that once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

its not a practical solution by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm going to suggest that he will be found not criminally responsible ( Insanity) to stand trial and will be committed to a mental institution.

You read it here first.

 

[Beanieboy]

I wouldn't want the dealth penalty. What I wish we did more often was try to rehabilitate the person, figure out what happened, what made them act. That was not the act of a sane person.

What usually happens is people are put in prison, do their time, and get out and often just go back to the way things were, mostly because the problem of why they went in in the first place was never dealt with. They go from a prison life, a different reality, different rules, to the world, and try to interact again, often with bad results.

 

[jcook922]

I wouldn't want the dealth penalty. What I wish we did more often was try to rehabilitate the person, figure out what happened, what made them act. That was not the act of a sane person.

What usually happens is people are put in prison, do their time, and get out and often just go back to the way things were, mostly because the problem of why they went in in the first place was never dealt with. They go from a prison life, a different reality, different rules, to the world, and try to interact again, often with bad results.

Kill the sick bastard and he won't be sucking up taxes for the rest of his life. I don't think there's any place in our society for his brand of murderer, and we can never trust him to be rehabilitated, lest he just decide to kill again.

 

[Beanieboy]

If he is indeed sick, is it just to kill him?

 

[seeker777]

Kill the sick bastard and he won't be sucking up taxes for the rest of his life. I don't think there's any place in our society for his brand of murderer, and we can never trust him to be rehabilitated, lest he just decide to kill again.

Would you say that if you had a friend or family member who suffered a psychotic episode and murdered someone?

Don't you dare say that that could never happen...severe psychosis respects no borders.

Don't you dare suggest that a person suffering a severe psychotic break down has control of his or her faculties.

If you had a friend or loved who, through the result of a severe mental illness, a complete psychotic break down and with no control of their faculties...went and killed someone.

Would your response still be " Kill the sick bastard"?

 

[jcook922]

If he is indeed sick, is it just to kill him?

Well, he did kill somebody. Mentally responsible or not, your actions are your actions. I don't think the insanity plea is any reason people should get off when actions as serious as murder are involved. Trying to set them straight in an institution to let them out later when they are declared "better" still means he didn't have to pay the toll of justice for his actions.

 

[seeker777]

Well, he did kill somebody. Mentally responsible or not, your actions are your actions.

Not according to the Laws of Canada or the U.S.A.

Maybe the Laws in your mind, but not the Laws that govern our societies.

A person must be found mentally competent at the time of the offense. That they had intent, or that they knew their actions would cause the outcome.

If a person is deemed to have been completely unaware of what they were doing, that they had no conscious intent, that they were suffering from a severe mental illness and they could not possibly perceive at the time that their actions were wrong...then...

Mentally incompetent to stand trial.

 

[jcook922]

Not according to the Laws of Canada or the U.S.A.

Maybe the Laws in your mind, but not the Laws that govern our societies.

A person must be found mentally competent at the time of the offense. That they had intent, or that they knew their actions would cause the outcome.

If a person is deemed to have been completely unaware of what they were doing, that they had no conscious intent, that they were suffering from a severe mental illness and they could not possibly perceive at the time that their actions were wrong...then...

Mentally incompetent to stand trial.

I wasn't stating law, just my opinion on the matter.

 

[seeker777]

I wasn't stating law, just my opinion on the matter.

You did say ' kill the sick bastard'. So I'd like to hear your opinion or response regarding my question to you, on the previous page.

 

[jcook922]

Would you say that if you had a friend or family member who suffered a psychotic episode and murdered someone?

Don't you dare say that that could never happen...severe psychosis respects no borders.

Don't you dare suggest that a person suffering a severe psychotic break down has control of his or her faculties.

If you had a friend or loved who, through the result of a severe mental illness, a complete psychotic break down and with no control of their faculties...went and killed someone.

Would your response still be " Kill the sick bastard"?

Sorry I missed your post in the previous page, my answer would be yes. Because I have to think about the feelings of the family of the victim. Taking someones life in cold blood is never justified, and all must pay the price. If anyone I was close to did such an act, justice needs to be served just like it was anybody else. I've lost people in my life to a host of different things, and I'm not saying I wouldn't be bothered by it, but it would be fair.

 

[Zeena]

When I heard about this, I was literally sick to my stomach. I only thought that this kind of thing happened in movies! I seriously did.

No, it happens a LOT more than anyone might think!

Recently I've heard the killer also gutted him, then ate some of it. It's just so....Hollywood!!! Why does this thing happen???

There's a very real enemy in this world who vie's for control over your soul, it's called SIN! And apart from the faith of God in Christ Jesus this is a way of life continually! :o

Living in Canada, we are peaceful. My dad put it best, "I didn't think these thing happened here." No one did! I felt so safe in country, now what?

Turn to God, who will give you an Eternal inheritance that no man can steal!!!

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Mathew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Do you think this man was sick? Evil? Looking for attention? I don't know who could do this to someone so innocent.

Only Jesus really, truly cares about His creation. Mankind only cares as they yeild to Jesus for His Life in and through them [us]!

 

[wanderingone]

Please. Any killer has a chance to escape prison, get probation, or some other way get out of prison and in turn be able to kill more people. Willie Horton is a good example of your logic.

My goodness it's amazing how much people have to scrounge to make their point. There are certainly more recent examples of people who got off death row committing a crime, still does nothing to dispute my logic-at least make the effort to find something off of current tabloids.

The death penalty does not impact the rates of crimes that are capital offenses and the sentence is applied haphazardly and nobody has suggested freedom as the answer for a criminal act.

 

[mpok1519]

Now theyre pulling all the "Bus Rage" ads. heh....

this needs to be made into a made for tv movie.

I heard he was eating bits of the victim; would an insanity defense work in his favor? Is it evident that the man was insane and did not know the difference between right and wrong?

 

[seeker777]

Now theyre pulling all the "Bus Rage" ads. heh....

this needs to be made into a made for tv movie.

I heard he was eating bits of the victim; would an insanity defense work in his favor? Is it evident that the man was insane and did not know the difference between right and wrong?

Yes, of course it would make a difference. Odds are that he will be found not criminally responsible ( insane) and there won't even be a trial....he will be committed to a mental institution until such time he is deemed to no longer be a threat to society.

 

[mpok1519]

i dunno....i mean, if he was eating his victim motivated out of anger and rage, its possible to say he did know what he was doing was indeed wrong, and the reason he ate his victim was bc knew it was wrong, and what better way to strike fear into the public other than decapitation then cannibalization?