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Manitoba Bus Incident. (Somewhat graphic!)

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When I heard about this, I was literally sick to my stomach. I only thought that this kind of thing happened in movies! I seriously did.

Recently I've heard the killer also gutted him, then ate some of it. It's just so....Hollywood!!! Why does this thing happen???

Living in Canada, we are peaceful. My dad put it best, "I didn't think these thing happened here." No one did! I felt so safe in country, now what?

Do you think this man was sick? Evil? Looking for attention? I don't know who could do this to someone so innocent.
 

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One of the witnesses on the bus said that he began to cut him up, and take bites...

Where did you hear that from? I've read 5 articles on the incident & haven't heard anything about that yet. Seems like people just overexaggerating based on (a debatably irrational) fear really.
 
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Where did you hear that from? I've read 5 articles on the incident & haven't heard anything about that yet. Seems like people just overexaggerating based on (a debatably irrational) fear really.

Whether or no that's exactly what hapened, it's still or horrific and gruesome incident
 
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Actually, according to the latest news stories they believe (based upon police radio transmissions during the stand-off) that the killer was removing pieces of the victim's body and either eating them or pretending to eat them to antagonize the police:

http://www.cbs46.com/news/17075514/detail.html#-
 
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When I heard about this, I was literally sick to my stomach. I only thought that this kind of thing happened in movies! I seriously did.

Recently I've heard the killer also gutted him, then ate some of it. It's just so....Hollywood!!! Why does this thing happen???

Living in Canada, we are peaceful. My dad put it best, "I didn't think these thing happened here." No one did! I felt so safe in country, now what?

Do you think this man was sick? Evil? Looking for attention? I don't know who could do this to someone so innocent.


I read it was a beheading not a gutting. he didn't eat him but he took the severed head and dangled it in front of everyone near the bus window to antagonize them.

too bad Canada abolished the Death penalty.


heres a video of the killer, Vincent Weiguang Li. Apparently he has no history of violence which is weird

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4207100p-4799431c.html



"Augert said he believes Li was having marital problems.
When he met with Li to re-hire him in July, Augert said the way he was talking, "you could almost read between the lines that there was something not right there."
Li was a reliable worker, Augert said. "I've been doing this for 21 years and I can judge the type of people we're hiring. He was just a normal guy or so we thought.
"To read about this, it just totally gives me the shivers. I've had shivers just the past couple of hours since I realized who was (allegedly) responsible for this."
Li lives in a highrise near 105th Avenue and 90th Street.
One of Li's neighbours said he was always sharply dressed in trousers, dress shirt and a white windbreaker. Although they often saw each other in the elevator or lobby, they never exchanged words, he said.
"He was very unfriendly," said the neighbour, who didn't want to be identified.
"He would never keep the elevator open. The striking characteristic for this guy is that he is really anti-social."

He would often see Li from his balcony wandering around the building's parking lot at night. Li would look up at him, point and jab his finger towards him, he said.
"It was as though he was trying to say something to me," he said.
Li liked swimming in the building's fourth-floor pool, he added.


It just seems very weird. Im starting to wonder if it wasn't premeditated. I had read somewhere where the killer and the guy he killed had some problem of seating arrangments on such on the bus.
 
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too bad Canada abolished the Death penalty.

how is it too bad ?? so he gets killed... not only does that make the rest of us no better than him but it lets him off lightly.

i think it was Gandhi that once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

its not a practical solution by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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how is it too bad ?? so he gets killed... not only does that make the rest of us no better than him but it lets him off lightly.

i think it was Gandhi that once said "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

its not a practical solution by any stretch of the imagination.


yes, its much better to keep him alive so he can live off taxes and maybe get a chance to get free with a good lawyer, escape jail, or get a "rehabilitation program" and kill someone again. Lets keep the murderers alive so they can have a chance to kill even more people!

Great logic

Kinda reminds me when that liberal Michael Dukakis freed around 70 crimials with his "Furlough"(the liberal program that freed first and second degree murderers and offenders) program and many innocent citizens were killed again when those criminals were freed. Willie Horton anyone?
 
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Lets keep the murderers alive so they can have a chance to kill even more people!

Surely you can tell that's not what he's saying. He's not saying anything about criminals roaming the streets - just that they shouldn't be killed. Killing them makes us no better than they are & even your God said to turn the other cheek. :doh:
 
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yes, its much better to keep him alive so he can live off taxes and maybe get a chance to get free with a good lawyer, escape jail, or get a "rehabilitation program" and kill someone again. Lets keep the murderers alive so they can have a chance to kill even more people!

Great logic

Kinda reminds me when that liberal Michael Dukakis freed around 70 crimials with his "Furlough"(the liberal program that freed first and second degree murderers and offenders) program and many innocent citizens were killed again when those criminals were freed. Willie Horton anyone?

I don't think anyone suggested that the alternative to the death penalty is freedom. There's no indication that the death penalty PREVENTS crime. In the American experience it's applied haphazardly as many sentences are. Until you can insure that no innocent will be put to death it shouldn't be a consideration for even those who would support it.
 
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yes, its much better to keep him alive so he can live off taxes and maybe get a chance to get free with a good lawyer, escape jail, or get a "rehabilitation program" and kill someone again. Lets keep the murderers alive so they can have a chance to kill even more people!

Great logic

Kinda reminds me when that liberal Michael Dukakis freed around 70 crimials with his "Furlough"(the liberal program that freed first and second degree murderers and offenders) program and many innocent citizens were killed again when those criminals were freed. Willie Horton anyone?

going to volunteer to round up every last cop that has shot someone or any judge that has laid down the death penalty then? Can't have killers alive and we can't give them a chance to kill again!!! what about anyone that has killed an enemy while serving in EVERY military organisation in the world.

i think at this rate there aren't going to be many people left in this world, do you ? because as soon as you or anyone helps to do that, they are to be rounded up by the next group of people.

Could even go as far to say anyone that voted for a political party in favor of the death penalty should be rounded up and killed also.

whats your stance on abortion ? please for the love of mankind don't tell me you are against it.... please please tell me you aren't. if you are against it... how can you be against abortion but pro death penalty ??

isn't your god meant to be the only thing capable of giving and taking life ?
 
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going to volunteer to round up every last cop that has shot someone or any judge that has laid down the death penalty then? Can't have killers alive and we can't give them a chance to kill again!!! what about anyone that has killed an enemy while serving in EVERY military organisation in the world.

well if you knew what the definition of murder is then you wouldn't make such a statement.

i think at this rate there aren't going to be many people left in this world, do you ? because as soon as you or anyone helps to do that, they are to be rounded up by the next group of people.

Could even go as far to say anyone that voted for a political party in favor of the death penalty should be rounded up and killed also.


I really suggest you use a different argument

whats your stance on abortion ? please for the love of mankind don't tell me you are against it.... please please tell me you aren't. if you are against it... how can you be against abortion but pro death penalty ??

isn't your god meant to be the only thing capable of giving and taking life


An unborn child hasn't commited murder or killed anyone, they are innocent. Abortion is killing someone who has commited no crime. That is a great injustice.

You know its funny how you will do anything to keep the death of the innocent unborn legal and do everything to support and justify it, yet do in all your power to keep 1st and second degree murderers alive. You kill the innocent and let off the guilty. Not a great way to represent your party, nor your character

By the way, Jesus said we do need to pay our taxes and the government and police are needed in this world

I don't think anyone suggested that the alternative to the death penalty is freedom. There's no indication that the death penalty PREVENTS crime. In the American experience it's applied haphazardly as many sentences are. Until you can insure that no innocent will be put to death it shouldn't be a consideration for even those who would support it.

Please. Any killer has a chance to escape prison, get probation, or some other way get out of prison and in turn be able to kill more people. Willie Horton is a good example of your logic.
 
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well if you knew what the definition of murder is then you wouldn't make such a statement.

Murder - the killing of another human being [SIZE=-1]unlawfully.
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I just find it hard to comprehend that people think its ok to fight fire with fire. its just not going to work. its just not "great logic".

Its like when people spank children for being bad but then when that child goes and hits someone you tell them its wrong.

"but mummy, you hit me"

how can you teach people something is bad or wrong when in the next breath you turn around and do exactly what you are telling them is wrong.

"its bad to kill people. but hey.. im going to sentences this person to death."

lets just word it like you did.... not a great way to represent your character.

Not to mention the issue of proving someone guilty. i believe there have been cases in which people have been sentenced to but later proven not guilty with advances in technology. the criminal justice system isnt 100% right 100% of the time. also what about people with mental problems, how can your punish someone to death if in there mind set what they were doing was right ?? people like that need help not just to be thrown to the lions and discarded like trash.

You know its funny how you will do anything to keep the death of the innocent unborn legal and do everything to support and justify it, yet do in all your power to keep 1st and second degree murderers alive. You kill the innocent and let off the guilty. Not a great way to represent your party, nor your character

you know its funny that you automatically assume without a thread of evidence that i'm in fact not pro-life. thats how innocent people get the death penalty

An unborn child hasn't commited murder or killed anyone, they are innocent. Abortion is killing someone who has commited no crime. That is a great injustice.

a fetus isnt innocent by default. it is neither innocent or guilty. it hasn't had a chance to be anything other than. it doesn't have any concept of right or wrong.

how do you know that fetus wouldn't grow up to be a murder ?? so its ok to kill it then. when it has a life, a family, loved ones.
 
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Murder - the killing of another human being [SIZE=-1]unlawfully.[/SIZE]

I just find it hard to comprehend that people think its ok to fight fire with fire. its just not going to work. its just not "great logic".

Its like when people spank children for being bad but then when that child goes and hits someone you tell them its wrong.

"but mummy, you hit me"

Exactly, an unborn child hasn't killed anyone unlawfully or commited any crime. And the law says that EVERYONE needs to have a fair hearing and due process. Where is the one for the unborn? Murderers have already had due process and a hearing. Its unconstitutional to kill someone without a fair trail and due process. As for murderers however, they already have had a fair trial and they have already abused their free will and murderered other people, they have already ruined their chance by their own actions they made.


how can you teach people something is bad or wrong when in the next breath you turn around and do exactly what you are telling them is wrong.


Your comparing a little spank on the butt of your child to murdering someone?

"its bad to kill people. but hey.. im going to sentences this person to death."

lets just word it like you did.... not a great way to represent your character.

When did I say that? No, its bad to kill innocent people who have commited no crime against anyone. Killing a person who is a mass murderer that is a danger to other people is a totally different story. I guess you prefer to have murderers like Willie Horton and O.J. Simpson running around in society

Not to mention the issue of proving someone guilty. i believe there have been cases in which people have been sentenced to but later proven not guilty with advances in technology. the criminal justice system isnt 100% right 100% of the time. also what about people with mental problems, how can your punish someone to death if in there mind set what they were doing was right ?? people like that need help not just to be thrown to the lions and discarded like trash.

yes but today the law is becoming much more accurate, espesially with the changes in technology that help solve cases much better with a much higher rate. And in reality we all have mental problems in some ways; depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia, paranoia, etc.


you know its funny that you automatically assume without a thread of evidence that i'm in fact not pro-life. thats how innocent people get the death penalty

So lets say you keep a murderer alive. He escapes prison or gets out on "good compliance" and then proceeds to go out and kill 3-4 more people a few months later. So by keeping him alive 3-4 more have been killed. Lets say he dosen't get out of prison, but proceeds to kill 3-4 inmates who did lesser crimes. So in the end more people end up murdered and dead by keeping the 1st degree murderer alive.


a fetus isnt innocent by default. it is neither innocent or guilty. it hasn't had a chance to be anything other than. it doesn't have any concept of right or wrong.

how do you know that fetus wouldn't grow up to be a murder ?? so its ok to kill it then. when it has a life, a family, loved ones

What if, what if. What is it finds the cure for cancer? It dosen't matter, you can't say to someone "Well you might be a murderer in the future so its best we kill you". Please. If he/she hasn't commited any crime it deserves the rights just as everyone else has.
 
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Exactly, an unborn child hasn't killed anyone unlawfully or commited any crime. And the law says that EVERYONE needs to have a fair hearing and due process.

where is the "fair hearing" for the mother of that child ? if that child is going to ruin that mothers life, are you saying its better that the child is still born ? that child could be born to a mother that can barely provide for herself let alone a new born child. thats not fair on anyone, the mother, the father, the child and even the tax payer. That child could lead to the death of that mother during birth, are you telling me its better to bring that baby into the world without a mother ? is it better for that mother to die rather than the child ?

Murderers have already had due process and a hearing.

yeah.. the law system isnt corrupt in any way. sure everyone gets a fair hearing... ummm yeah! of course. forgot about the wonders of the infallible justice system *rolls eyes*

ever heard of people lying in court ??

Your comparing a little spank on the butt of your child to murdering someone?

i am comparing the principals, the idea that you can tell someone to not do something and then turn around and do the same thing to someone else.. even worse that very same person you have told it is sooo wrong.

i was simply putting your logic into a scenario that you might be able to understand from personal experience. not many people have the first hand experience with murders, i was simply putting forth your logic in a more "down to earth" problem.

Killing a person who is a mass murderer that is a danger to other people is a totally different story.

a person is a person. no matter what they have done, might do, colour, age and sex. That murder is still a human being, a Homo sapien... they still do all the same things as you, they read newspapers, eat dinner, lunch and they even still have to use the bathroom. That person still deserves the same amount of respect you give your boss, girlfriend/wife/husband, your children and any other person you pass on the street.

And in reality we all have mental problems in some ways; depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia, paranoia, etc.

if someone was take away from society at birth, treated with the up most respect and not harmed or mistreated in any way but was told every day that it is perfectly ok to kill someone on a bus, if they were told that its the right thing to do, ok ? then they where send into a city and got on a bus and killed someone, would it be wrong ? as far as they know its perfectly normal. should they be treated like any other murderer ?

So lets say you keep a murderer alive. He escapes prison or gets out on "good compliance" and then proceeds to go out and kill 3-4 more people a few months later. So by keeping him alive 3-4 more have been killed. Lets say he dosen't get out of prison, but proceeds to kill 3-4 inmates who did lesser crimes. So in the end more people end up murdered and dead by keeping the 1st degree murderer alive.

do you not think a better solution to this problem... and i admit it is a very big problem. would be not to kill them but take steps to improve the justice system ? its not only murders that pass though it... you can't sentence someone to death that was involved in a robbery, they could get out and do it all over again. everyone hates being robbed just as much as they hate being killed. same goes for the rapists, arsonists and every other person that is in jail. it would kill two birds with one stone so to speak.

What if, what if. What is it finds the cure for cancer? It dosen't matter.

life is full of what ifs. its the way of the world. life is not black and white. its not even different shades of gray... its a whole rainbow of colours. The human race is so diverse that everyone can't be separated into two teams. life doesn't work like that. the what ifs do matter. thats what makes the world a nice place to live in. its what makes it a less dangerous place to be. what ifs are what pushes the human race forward. what if we landed on the moon, what if i could link two computers together that are other sides of the world. the what ifs can't be ignored. if they are, life would come to a complete stand still. they need to be acknowledged and thought about, processed with the same care as the certainties.
 
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I think the thing that is bothering people is trying to understand it.
The man started attacking the victim. One man wanted to go with another to overpower him, but the other man left in a panic. Then, if that hadn't been enough, the attacker severed the head of the victim.

What bothers us is: that it happened on a Greyhound Bus, meaning, it could happen to you
There seems to be no reason why someone would do this, so we argue that he must be insane, but what if he isn't? What if he just decided to kill this guy for no reason? And if so, what is to say anyone you pass on the street could do the same?
No one rushed to his aid, not that I know that they would be able to do anything unarmed.

So, when it is random violence, it suddenly gives you a harsh reality check of the world. Canada, in general, is far safer than the US, but when this kind of thing happens, you realize that it isn't immune from such violence. It's very jarring.

The same can be said of the man from Austria. You understand that possibility of a person to do such attrocity, and try to understand it. And maybe it frightens us because we also realize that even any of us, under the right conditions, may turn murderer as well. It's hard to imagine that there is that possibility in any human, let alone ourselves.
 
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