Man who crashed U-Haul truck near White House had Nazi flag in vehicle

[durangodawood]

Are you suggesting that protesters storming the capital on Jan. 6th to "overthrow an election" and take power were mentally stable and not dillusional?

Mentally stable people get caught up in poisonous ideologies.

These werent delusional so much as they had terrible judgement.

 

[Aldebaran]

Mentally stable people get caught up in poisonous ideologies.

These werent delusional so much as they had terrible judgement.

It's looking more and more like mental illness is the new political tool to convict/exonerate people that those in power hate/love. If a non-white, non-citizen tries to kill our president and take power, he is said to be delusional, and the charges against him are minimal. If a U.S. citizen who is white, and conservative-leaning, and believes that an election was rigged, he is seen as sane, non delusional, and in his right mind, and therefore needs to be locked up in solitary confinement.

Double-standard can't be more obvious.

 

[Hans Blaster]

But what happened to simply throwing around words like "insurrection", and "right-wing extremist conspiracy theory terroristic MAGA Trump supporting, etc."? And this guy even had a flag! Just like the protesters did on Jan. 6th, except this one wasn't an American flag with the word "Trump" on it. This one was a Nazi flag, so maybe that helped.

But seriously, have we learned nothing at all from Jan. 6th?

"Jan 6th" has been investigated for 2.4 years. This guy a few days. We don't have any reporting about his motives that doesn't come from the quotes included in the affidavit for the arrest warrant (which I posted earlier). There is no reporting about social media posts or group memberships that might indicate motivations and intent. He might be in an organized group conspiring to commit acts of sedition, or he might just be some poor kid who recently got hit by debilitating mental illness. WE DON'T KNOW. (Remember that there are lone attackers at the WH with mental health problems at some regularity. Maybe he's just another one of those.)

He has a detention hearing on Tuesday, he's unlikely to get released, so he'll stay secured while he gets investigated. If you want make excuses for the Jan 6th defendants a thread about them would be much better.

 

[Aldebaran]

"Jan 6th" has been investigated for 2.4 years. This guy a few days. We don't have any reporting about his motives that doesn't come from the quotes included in the affidavit for the arrest warrant (which I posted earlier). There is no reporting about social media posts or group memberships that might indicate motivations and intent. He might be in an organized group conspiring to commit acts of sedition, or he might just be some poor kid who recently got hit by debilitating mental illness. WE DON'T KNOW. (Remember that there are lone attackers at the WH with mental health problems at some regularity. Maybe he's just another one of those.)

He has a detention hearing on Tuesday, he's unlikely to get released, so he'll stay secured while he gets investigated. If you want make excuses for the Jan 6th defendants a thread about them would be much better.

"Kandula told officers that he had been planning the attack for six months and had flown to Washington from St. Louis earlier that evening, according to court documents." https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/dc-uhaul-crash-charges/index.html

That indicates that it was premeditated. But I see that excuses will continue being made for the guy who just tried to kill our beloved president. I guess carrying a Nazi flag, not being white, and not being a U.S. citizen has it's privileges.

 

[durangodawood]

It's looking more and more like mental illness is the new political tool to convict/exonerate people that those in power hate/love. If a non-white, non-citizen tries to kill our president and take power, he is said to be delusional, and the charges against him are minimal. If a U.S. citizen who is white, and conservative-leaning, and believes that an election was rigged, he is seen as sane, non delusional, and in his right mind, and therefore needs to be locked up in solitary confinement.

Double-standard can't be more obvious.

"Im gonna be president/dictator!". Sounds delusional and entirely personal. But we'll see what an investigation reveals.

J6 people had encouragement from their whole ideological network. It really looks like something other that personal mental illness at work. If you want I could probably find a right wing criminal who actually was delusional. Would that help?

 

[Aldebaran]

"Im gonna be president/dictator!". Sounds delusional and entirely personal. But we'll see what an investigation reveals.

J6 people had encouragement from their whole ideological network. It really looks like something other that personal mental illness at work. If you want I could probably find a right wing criminal who actually was delusional. Would that help?

But "Hang Mike Pence!" isn't?

Many would say that a guy with horns on his head and carrying a spear was delusional as well, but ended up in prison anyway, even though he never attempted to kill the president.
Anyway, it's been fun hearing the comments on why a guy who actually says he wanted to kill the president and seize power--and actually made the attempt--is no big deal, right after hundreds of people who protested at the Capitol have had their lives ruined, even if all many of them did was wander around in the building while taking selfies.

 

[Hans Blaster]

"Kandula told officers that he had been planning the attack for six months and had flown to Washington from St. Louis earlier that evening, according to court documents." https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/dc-uhaul-crash-charges/index.html

That indicates that it was premeditated.

It's certainly evidence to that effect. That's why they are investigating him.

But I see that excuses will continue being made for the guy who just tried to kill our beloved president.

I'm not making excuses for him and you don't belove our president.

I guess carrying a Nazi flag, not being white, and not being a U.S. citizen has it's privileges.

This ^^^^ is the idiotic narrative (which is all over RW media, social and otherwise) that I reject. There is zero (0) evidence that anything about the course of this investigation (and there certainly is one) represents some sort of privilege for him. When they identify a specific crime (and feel free to suggest one by statute number) that fits his action and believe they can demonstrate the elements of that crime, they will charge him. (And frankly I think this will happen eventually.) Until then he is in jail and likely to stay there and has been charged with a felony.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Many would say that a guy with horns on his head and carrying a spear was delusional as well, but ended up in prison anyway, even though he never attempted to kill the president.

You do know he got out this week, right? I don't recall if his lawyers called for a psychological evaluation, but there is no evidence he is "nuts". He did make a big deal about his special vegan diet though.

Anyway, it's been fun hearing the comments on why a guy who actually says he wanted to kill the president and seize power--and actually made the attempt--is no big deal, right after hundreds of people who protested at the Capitol have had their lives ruined, even if all many of them did was wander around in the building while taking selfies.

If that's what he was doing, then hopefully they will find sufficient evidence to charge him with such.

 

[durangodawood]

But "Hang Mike Pence!" isn't?

Many would say that a guy with horns on his head and carrying a spear was delusional as well, but ended up in prison anyway, even though he never attempted to kill the president.
Anyway, it's been fun hearing the comments on why a guy who actually says he wanted to kill the president and seize power--and actually made the attempt--is no big deal, right after hundreds of people who protested at the Capitol have had their lives ruined, even if all many of them did was wander around in the building while taking selfies.

Why is a costume necessarily delusional?

That makes no sense. If he went around screaming "I am a Bison!" and pooping on the lawn, then... ok.

I dont see anything delusional at all about chanting "hang Mike Pence". Its just a signal that you think he's a traitor to America. It might also mean youd actually like to see him hanged for that.

 

[rambot]

It's looking more and more like mental illness is the new political tool to convict/exonerate people that those in power hate/love. If a non-white, non-citizen tries to kill our president and take power, he is said to be delusional, and the charges against him are minimal. If a U.S. citizen who is white, and conservative-leaning, and believes that an election was rigged, he is seen as sane, non delusional, and in his right mind, and therefore needs to be locked up in solitary confinement.

Double-standard can't be more obvious.

Maybe these white people you complain about have terrible coloured lawyers who don't represent them well I guess right? It's all part of the plot to jail white people for participating in an insurrection.


I mean do you REALLY think courts work like this? Do you HONESTLY think that psychiatric specialists would NOT be called in because the defendant "Was white"?

 

[wing2000]

"Jan 6th" has been investigated for 2.4 years. This guy a few days.

...not too soon for the false comparisons and cries of bias justice.....(obviously)

 

[wing2000]

This ^^^^ is the idiotic narrative (which is all over RW media, social and otherwise) that I reject.

For some, it's all about setting a narrative in the first 24 hours...regardless of what investigations reveal weeks or months later.

 

[rambot]

This ^^^^ is the idiotic narrative (which is all over RW media, social and otherwise) that I reject. There is zero (0) evidence that anything about the course of this investigation (and there certainly is one) represents some sort of privilege for him. When they identify a specific crime (and feel free to suggest one by statute number) that fits his action and believe they can demonstrate the elements of that crime, they will charge him. (And frankly I think this will happen eventually.) Until then he is in jail and likely to stay there and has been charged with a felony.

The cool thing about conspiracies is that they explain ABSOLUTELY everything and require ABSOLUTELY nothing.

Not even thought.

Often (always?) they don't even require a basic mastery of the English language and even MORE rarely do they require logic and reason.

There is NO political wing (of the two) that is saved from conspiracy theories, so you can't get angry at "the other side". But really, we (as individuals) should all try our BEST to not fall for that level of intellectual hibernation. And, in my mind, folks on BOTH sides of the spectrum should be calling people out when they go down those silly rabbit trails

 

[Aldebaran]

You do know he got out this week, right? I don't recall if his lawyers called for a psychological evaluation, but there is no evidence he is "nuts". He did make a big deal about his special vegan diet though.

If that's what he was doing, then hopefully they will find sufficient evidence to charge him with such.

"If"? Trying to smash a U-Haul through the security barrier (the only thing standing between him and the White House) doesn't convince you? Would he have to "overthrow democracy" in order to be taken seriously?

 

[Ana the Ist]

The media initially jumped on that narrative, the same day Biden declared "white Supremacy" and "far right extremists" (which he always connects to Trump, to distract from his bad policies) as the major threat to America.

CNN:
“And I think you have to draw a line from this apparent attack on the White House by someone bearing a Nazi flag to at least some of the people, it’s hard to say how many, but some of the people involved in the January 6th attack on the Capitol,”“How do we know that? Because some of those folks were carrying the same sort of symbols, Nazi flags, Confederate flags, things like that, that show you a commonality of ideology,” he added." CNN’s Andrew McCabe said. "This is the number one terrorist threat, domestic violent extremists and and particularly the extremists motivated by the anti-black racial sentiments."

Watch it yourself. Link included.


"Following the altercation, he was arrested and “charged with threatening to kill, kidnap or inflict harm on a president, vice president or family member, as well as assault with a dangerous weapon, reckless operation of a motor vehicle, trespassing and destruction of federal property,” according to the New York Post.

But then something extraordinary happened — prosecutors dropped every single charge, leaving Kandula with nothing but “a single count of depredation of property of the United States in excess of $1,000,” the Post notes."

Oops.

Nothing says false flag like dropping charges against a white supremacist terrorist.

I swear to you....and I'm not joking when I say this....I originally thought Ray Epps was innocent and not a plant or informant.

However....as time goes on....and the left continues to vouch for the purity of a man we all saw....

1. Present at Jan 6th.

2. Instigating a riot * (or trying to)

3. Confronting police (verbally engaging them to allow him passage)

4. Destroying property.

5. Entering Capitol grounds.


And upon learning how Ray Epps was a former leader in Oath Keepers and highly sought after by the FBI....but never charged with anything....

I've never seen the left wing media go to bat more often and much harder for someone they would typically describe as a violent right wing domestic terrorist who should rot in jail for life.

Not Ray Epps though....no sir...he's definitely not part of some conspiracy or plot or has inside information about anything. Pure as the driven snow is Ray Epps lol. Get those ideas that he was somehow involved in making Jan 6th happen out of your head. Ray Epps is an innocent man who just happened to be a right wing extremist domestic terrorist until he sat down with the FBI and cleared it all up. Now he's a victim of the bad people.

 

[Ana the Ist]

"Kandula told officers that he had been planning the attack for six months and had flown to Washington from St. Louis earlier that evening, according to court documents." https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/politics/dc-uhaul-crash-charges/index.html

That indicates that it was premeditated. But I see that excuses will continue being made for the guy who just tried to kill our beloved president. I guess carrying a Nazi flag, not being white, and not being a U.S. citizen has it's privileges.

He's here illegally?

 

[Hans Blaster]

"If"? Trying to smash a U-Haul through the security barrier (the only thing standing between him and the White House) doesn't convince you? Would he have to "overthrow democracy" in order to be taken seriously?

I would agree that the suspect is likely either a violent political/ideological actor (and an idiot, an empty box truck was never going to get past the bollards around a building like the White House anyway) or severely mentally ill or some intermediate state combination of the two.

What gets charged in court is often about what can be proven in court.

It's not about being "taken seriously". If that was his plan (and it was a really dumb plan if it follows what we know so far) and it can be documented in ways admissible in court then he will be charged and likely convicted. (If the only evidence they have of the "plan" is from his interrogation, his lawyer will work really hard to get it tossed, which would blow up any charges.) If he had confederates they could be charged with a conspiracy.

It's fine to speculate about possibilities, but we have far too little information to come to conclusions about this suspect, his motives, or the investigation into him.

 

[Aldebaran]

He's here illegally?

Not here illegally. He had a green card.

 

[Aldebaran]

I would agree that the suspect is likely either a violent political/ideological actor (and an idiot, an empty box truck was never going to get past the bollards around a building like the White House anyway) or severely mentally ill or some intermediate state combination of the two.

What gets charged in court is often about what can be proven in court.

It's not about being "taken seriously". If that was his plan (and it was a really dumb plan if it follows what we know so far) and it can be documented in ways admissible in court then he will be charged and likely convicted. (If the only evidence they have of the "plan" is from his interrogation, his lawyer will work really hard to get it tossed, which would blow up any charges.) If he had confederates they could be charged with a conspiracy.

It's fine to speculate about possibilities, but we have far too little information to come to conclusions about this suspect, his motives, or the investigation into him.

I don't expect that to change. Even when a suspect writes an entire manifesto detailing their motivations, it often gets swept under the rug if it doesn't fit a certain narrative.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not here illegally. He had a green card.

Ahhh...ok.