Man and dinosaur coexisting

[PsychoSarah]

Thanks for the links. They do show vast differences.

This is the first time someone has not only thanked me for information, but didn't feel the need to push their point into the thank you message along with it. I have no idea how to respond to that.

 

[Calminian]

What about bears that cannot breed or even hybridise with any other bear species? Evolution has a perfectly sound explanation.

In addition you have begun to use the concept of gain and loss of information, can you please explain how it is measured? Because mutation is a perfectly functional source of change in the genome, yet ID and other creationists are usually dissatisfied with it as source of their concept of information.

Here are some examples, please explain how the information loss or gain is measured:
CGGATTACTACCTTAA
CGGATTATTACTACCTTAA
CGGATTATCACTACCTTAA
CGGATTACACTACCTTAA
CGGATTACACTATTAA
CGGATTACACTAATTAA
CGGATTACACTAACTTAA
CGGATTACACTACCTTAA

Sorry I'm not following what you're asking.

What if A and D cannot hybridise? And what if B and C are extinct before humans discover A and D?

I would think this happened a lot through history. Speciation can be rapid and very diverse. If species are isolated the can loose the ability to breed with some of their cousins. But this doesn't change their common ancestry.

It's a bird through and thorugh... with teeth and a long flexible tail. The point that is forever ignored by the "common designer" hypothesis is that it isn't just the common traits in transitional species, it's the pattern of transitions. There is no reason for a weird variant of a bird not to have mammal features or insect traits, yet they only appear to transition with theropod dinosaurs. There's no reason for a dolphin not to have gills or to have the electrical senses of a fish, yet they have mammal traits.

I was speaking of the shapes that dolphin, sharks and ichthyosaurs have in common. Yes, they have differing attributes also. And there are examples of reptiles and mammals with and without teeth. I've failing to see what your argument is.

 

[Calminian]

Hahah - that's pretty much what evolution is all about. The fact that you don't know this shows you've never actually bothered to read up on it, and are just content with making arm chair observations about things you've read in passing, rather than actually become educated on the topic.
Here's an easy to read link I found you, top result in a google search for "how does evolution work"
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/evolution1.htm

I don't think the problem is me not knowing what evolutionists believe, but rather you not knowing what creationists believe. Change and even speciation are part of the creationist model.

Pretty much 90% of what you post is just "Oh you have all this 'knowledge' and 'evidence' but because you don't have God, it means nothing." This is a completely empty, unproductive statement, I could just replace "God" with "Allah" or "Zeus" and fire it right back at you.

Creationists are very insistent on these "kinds" but give no scientific definition for what constitutes a "kind" and what these made-up barriers are that prevent one "kind" from eventually becoming another "kind", given enough time.

I can't speak for the creationists you've conversed with. I would suggest just speaking with me and judging me on what I say.

The internal similarity between vastly different looking creatures, actually supports evolution, showing a common ancestry... you'd know that if you bothered to learn about it.

But this also supports creationism. I don't think you know much about creationism, with all due respect. You can try to win arguments, you'll have some success. Or you could exchange some ideas with me, maybe even learn something new. You may not have heard it all yet.

 

[Calminian]

It's a made up, non-scientific term, not a technical one.



Oh come now. Why limit "kind" to horsies, moo cows and kitty cats? What "kind" are the following and why?


Shiitake mushroom.
White truffle.
Bakers yeast.

Lilac.
Apple tree.
Saguaro cactus.

Scarab beetle.
Tarantula.
Blue crab.

Little neck clam.
Humbolt squid.
Banana slug.

Dimetrodon.
Thylacine.
Confuciusornis.

I don't know the baraminology of these specific life forms. I'd have to research it. But I don't know how that changes the argument, or why it's relevant.

Why don't you tell us, precisely, what you mean by this? Because if you mean something like an iguana hatching a clutch of puppies, that would actually falsify evolution.

I fail to see why this is such a touch question. What you cite above is an instantaneous evolution. I realize you believe this happens so slow it can't be observed. But we're talking about observation vs. faith, are we not? The point Ray Comfort proved in his movie was that evolution as Darwin described is indeed a matter of faith. It's not observed, nor can it be. It's a religion.

 

[dougangel]

I think you have a point, Dougangel. However, that does not al all mean I accept anything the creationists have to say. However, it does appear obvious to me that we could never have cohabited a planet full of these creatures. Some massive extinction had to happen before we came along. Nevertheless, some might have managed to somehow survive, which accounts for the numerous later sightings of monsters.

ok well thanks for that.
I'll tell you where I'm at. I'm actually undecided in a lot of things. I think there's a lot misinformation and misrepresentation on both sides going on. I of course know there is a creator designer who put the universe into action and gave man a spiritual nature. I'm also leaning towards Old Earth creation.

 

[Colter]

Creation via the technique of evolution. Evolution has within it a purposive potential.

 

[JacksBratt]

Every living being is put together from non living matter. Is a sodium ion alive inside of you? Of course not.

Do you see, now?

Yep, every living being is, in fact, alive. Where did it get this life? From it's parent. Not created but passed on.


Even if the sodium Ion isn't alive, my living body will use it to help the living functions continue.

 

[Larniavc]

Yep, every living being is, in fact, alive. Where did it get this life? From it's parent. Not created but passed on.


Even if the sodium Ion isn't alive, my living body will use it to help the living functions continue.

Every individual atom in your body is not alive. It's all just electrochemical interactions. You mistake these interactions as something magical.

 

[JacksBratt]

What mystical element?

Let's start right here. You need to show us that this element is real.

Look at a live organism, if it dies, what has left?

 

[JacksBratt]

Why are Creationists such big fans of screeds and high dudgeon, yet so averse to simply providing actual evidence to support their claim? If there are "100s of them" then, say, 10 or 20 should withstand scrutiny. None of them do however.

Creationists are big fans of screeds and high dudgeon? Really? While evolutionists hold tight to Lucy and Piltdown man as well as Haekel’s embryos, Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis, Nebraska man, Shall I go on? Screeds and high dudgeon indeed.

 

[JacksBratt]

Every individual atom in your body is not alive. It's all just electrochemical interactions. You mistake these interactions as something magical.

Well, I understand what you are saying. These elemental atoms of different compounds and metals may not be "alive".
However, they are necessary for life, are they not? Are we not healthier with vitamins and minerals that our body needs to function properly? Is there not diseases that stem from poor nutrition and lack of vitamins and minerals?
Besides, my argument was that you cannot create life. My argument was that all "life" that enables living organisms to be, in fact "alive" is never created but simply passed on from the parents to the offspring?

There is a driving force that runs the cycles and chemical reactions and balances. When this force is removed, the cycles and reactions will continue until the nutrients, O2 and or CO2 is consumed and then they cease to run, the organism decays. That immeasurable force is life.

 

[Larniavc]

Piltdown man as well as Haekel’s embryos,

No they don't. Your knowledge on this issue is a long time out of date.

 

[Larniavc]

There is a driving force that runs the cycles and chemical reactions and balances. When this force is removed, the cycles and reactions will continue until the nutrients, O2 and or CO2 is consumed and then they cease to run, the organism decays. That immeasurable force is life.

The only driving force is 'energy in'; from food or sunlight or cyanide etc. There is nothing magical about that.

 

[BrriKerr]

I of course know there is a creator designer who put the universe into action and gave man a spiritual nature.

If you don't mind me asking, how do you know that? did someone tell you?

 

[AV1611VET]

If you don't mind me asking, how do you know that? did someone tell you?

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

 

[BrriKerr]

Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

That means you don't know you just think you do just like the Muslims.

 

[AV1611VET]

That means you don't know you just think you do just like the Muslims.

That means I don't know what?

 

[Colter]

That means you don't know you just think you do just like the Muslims.

It is by design that we live in the unknown, it is by design that faith is required to search out truth through living experience.

* The Muslims have this living faith necessity and the speculative content of their largely evolved religion.

* The Christians have this living faith necessity and the speculative content of their largely evolved religion.

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That either religion or any other religion falsely claims the writings of it's priesthood is that of God does not invalidate universal facts or the necessity of living faith in the unseen creator and his subordinate beings. Science eliminates the superstitious component of evolved religion, not the God of religions quest.

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[JacksBratt]

No they don't. Your knowledge on this issue is a long time out of date.

Really, so these went from "truth" to proven fakes and hoaxes to "truth" again?

 

[JacksBratt]

The only driving force is 'energy in'; from food or sunlight or cyanide etc. There is nothing magical about that.

Cyanide has energy now? Hmmm. Life is just energy we receive from food or sunlight? OK, sure. Let's go with that. Sounds legit!