Man and dinosaur coexisting

[JacksBratt]

I understand completely why American atheists are as vocal as they are now.

Yes, because evolution is getting exposed.

 

[Bradly Capel]

When you clone an organism you still start with living cells. Never do you start with a non living organism or part of a non living organism and begin life, start life, or add life. You start with a living tissue and create a larger organism.

Just where are you coming from? you don't want to accept evolution but you are perfectly willing to believe everything was just poofed into existence by something that was thought up in someone's head, I truly admit I do not understand.

 

[Bradly Capel]

Yes, because evolution is getting exposed.

I am afraid the US has got much bigger problems than it thinks and they are going to be affecting the country and the economy for many many years to come, I can see why it was done but I think it was taken just a little too far and has gone on long enough, enough is enough, it's time to reel them in and call it a day, haven't you all made enough money?

 

[JacksBratt]

Just where are you coming from? you don't want to accept evolution but you are perfectly willing to believe everything was just poofed into existence by something that was thought up in someone's head, I truly admit I do not understand.

Not someones head. It was the God of the universe. If I am right, there is no worries about where life came from or how we got here or where the universe came from......If what I believe is true then it is possible.

You, on the other hand, got noth'n. You won't even go there when someone says "well where did life start" You say well we don't worry about that. But, after it did miraculously show up somehow out of thin air..... this happened.

If what I believe is true then it is all possible. If what you say is true, you still are stuck with "no life" to start your process.

Either way "something" was "poofed"

 

[JacksBratt]

I am afraid the US has got much bigger problems than it thinks and they are going to be affecting the country and the economy for many many years to come, I can see why it was done but I think it was taken just a little too far and has gone on long enough, enough is enough, it's time to reel them in and call it a day, haven't you all made enough money?

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[Loudmouth]

Life is not chemical. It requires chemical, physical and biological components in place to function.

I will ask again. Which processes in the body are not chemical?

With life we cannot create it.

400 years ago we could not create lightning. That didn't mean that a deity was required to make lightning.

Life is not quantifiable.

Sure it is. We can count the number of organisms, get their average weight, average length, density, etc.

It is a force that man enjoys while it is here and we mourn when it is gone. It is a gift from the creator and we only have it for so long.

Evidence for any of these claims?

We lack the chemicals tools to create life? Tell me what chemical difference is there between a living and dead amoebae or any organism.

When something dies we tend to see an increase in anaerobic metabolism, breakdown of DNA, induction of apoptosis/necrophagy/necrosis, and other known and chemical processes that result in a nonviable organism.

We lack the spiritual power and authority to create life or control it in any way.

Until you show us a spiritual power creating life, you have nothing but an empty assertion.

We could have a perfectly healthy organism with all the necessary components to live and still lack the ability to bring it to life.

Evidence for this claim? When has anyone ever had all the necessary components together for life to emerge?

Comparing life to lightening is just a perfect display of your lack of understanding of the magnitude of the difference between the two. Like an earthworm trying to understand calculus.

You do know that humans can do calculus, right?

So I am ignorant to believe that we will never create life from no life?

It is an argument from ignorance.

"Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

 

[dougangel]

When you clone an organism you still start with living cells. Never do you start with a non living organism or part of a non living organism and begin life, start life, or add life. You start with a living tissue and create a larger organism.

Never said u can I definitely don't think cloning is creating life.
Here's a question
Can water and dust or ground create life ?

 

[cifi]

Again, you did not create life. You created a living being with life from your living sperm cell and life from her living ovum. Both were already alive and grew into a new being. No life was created but passed on.

And I see you've posted again - I was expecting a reply, to every one of your points I refuted in this post;. I take the absence of a response as a silent admission of fault?

""""Dr GS Hurd said: ↑I see you have posted again. I was expecting a reply to the proof I gave you that I didn't make 5 false statements.

Dr GS Hurd.You in fact are the one who made the false statement.

Yes I'm noticing this creationist tactic in this thread. You carefully respond to each and every point - rather than further the discussion down the path they are clearly losing, they drop it and bring up something else. It's almost as if they aren't interested in getting to the truth and there is some agenda...

 

[Larniavc]

Again, you did not create life. You created a living being with life from your living sperm cell and life from her living ovum. Both were already alive and grew into a new being. No life was created but passed on.

Every living being is put together from non living matter. Is a sodium ion alive inside of you? Of course not.

Do you see, now?

 

[Loudmouth]

For some reason the godless lack understanding of how Intelligent God was when He Created this world with apparent age.

Did God put fake fossils in the ground?

 

[Loudmouth]

Oh boy. That's what the threads about. Evolutionist's have put a date on when the dinosaurs went extinct. And a date of what period they lived. So evolutionists are saying man wasn't around at the time. Well we all know your number. Your not going to be objective or scientific, no matter what evidence is shown too you.

We have MEASURED the age of the K/T boundary. It just simply happens to be a fact that no non-avian dinosaur fossil has been found above the K/T boundary, and no primate (including humans) have been found below the K/T boundary.

 

[JacksBratt]

I will ask again. Which processes in the body are not chemical?

Life is not a process. Life is the mystical element that allows all living organisms and plants to function. Take it away and all the perfectly formed components necessary for life will turn back to dust. Chemical reactions are different. They do not need life. I add heat to water and it will boil. I cool it and it will freeze. We can polymerize plastic, crack crude oil, refine iron, plate metals onto others, the list goes on. None of these are living. Grow a flower...... that's different. Create a child, again that needs two living cells.

400 years ago we could not create lightning. That didn't mean that a deity was required to make lightning.

That's your analogy as to why life is not from the creator? Because we couldn't create lightning before? Man will never create life. It is the creator of the world's specialty and it is not a chemical process or reaction. It is a force given as a gift to the original creation of each kind of organism on this earth, personally breathed into Adam's nostril's by his creator and then passed on through reproduction to every living being on this earth from it's parent. No new life created, only passed on.

Sure it is. We can count the number of organisms, get their average weight, average length, density, etc.

Not that kind of life... The force that makes everything alive when it's there and dead when it leaves. You cannot see it, smell it, taste it, weigh it, capture it, hear it, contain it or measure it.
We can only see the affects of it's presence or absence.

Evidence for any of these claims?

Do you not mourn the dead? Where did your life come from?

When something dies we tend to see an increase in anaerobic metabolism, breakdown of DNA, induction of apoptosis/necrophagy/necrosis, and other known and chemical processes that result in a nonviable organism.

You mean the chemical processes that function until life is gone. You are seeing the affects of lack of life. When life is present these function in one fashion. Remove life and they stop and start to decay.

Until you show us a spiritual power creating life, you have nothing but an empty assertion.

Yep, that's called faith. We have an explanation as to how it all started. If we are right then ALL of it is possible.

Until you show me a bunch of primordial soup that suddenly comes to life all you have is faith as well. Faith that is stronger than mine. However, evolution doesn't need that does it? You have no way of justifying the first organism but ask you about organism # 2 and on, well then you have story after story. All with out the need of a being greater than you.

Evolution says we started from nothing but has nothing to start with.

Evidence for this claim? When has anyone ever had all the necessary components together for life to emerge?

When a health adult drowns. The person is gone. the spirit is left, the soul absent. The emergency staff can keep the heart beating, blood flowing, lungs breathing and the tissue will remain alive. Stop any one of those and it dies. Try to start it again you cannot.

You do know that humans can do calculus, right?

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It is an argument from ignorance.

Well I guess we are all ignorant on that until someone creates life.... I can wait.

 

[Loudmouth]

What you said there isn't quite true is it ? There is some evidence.
This evidence exists in many forms. Some examples include:

1. Eye witness accounts by many people of creatures that are exactly like dinosaurs in appearance. The descriptions include not only sightings, but people actually hunting and killing them are being killed by them. These stories have been documented all over the world in many different cultures. They exist in the writings of several well-known ancient people, and have been documented by scientists as recently as a few years ago. Some of the best information along these lines come from evolutionists in their book titled "A Living Dinosaur?".
2. Art work and various ancient artifacts depicting live dinosaurs by themselves, or interacting with humans. These include burial stones, burial cloths, clay figurines, cave drawings, etc.
3. Fossilized footprints of humans and dinosaurs together. While some of these particular discoveries may be questionable, others appear to be far more reliable.

Number 3 shows us the problem. Those are known to be dinosaur prints, and dino prints only. You are have been fooled by lying professional creationists.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

 

[Loudmouth]

Life is not a process. Life is the mystical element that allows all living organisms and plants to function.

What mystical element?

Let's start right here. You need to show us that this element is real.

 

[Loudmouth]

What are the creationists who made up the fakes thinking?

They are thinking that they can easily fool their fellow creationists, which is what they want. It seems to work.

 

[cifi]

What are the creationists who made up the fakes thinking? if no one else knows creationism is a lie they should because they are creating the lies, they are obviously not creationists and are only there to relieve the gullible of their money.

If I believe something and I see people around me telling lies and twisting the truth just to fool others into believing then what am I thinking? surly I must think they are doing it to fool people exactly like me, am I a fool?

Because for some Christians, the concept of a young earth is intrinsically tied to their belief in god. They see the bible saying the earth is young, god wrote the bible, god can't be wrong. So for some Christians, evolution poses a very deeply offensive problem to them, and we see these weird "lying in gods name" sorts of justifications. And we have people clutching at straws trying to find "evidence" for what they already believe.

Science works the other way around. It follows the evidence where it leads.

It's worth noting that many Christians don't interpret the bible this way and have no problem with evolution or an old earth.

 

[Dr GS Hurd]

Never said u can I definitely don't think cloning is creating life.
Here's a question
Can water and dust or ground create life ?

We call it "synthetic biology." It is driven by commercial interests in making new enzymes, and new antibiotics. The need is to have both novelty, and yet stay close enough to ordinary biology to be useful. A related approach is to hyper-stimulate evolutionary change, and then test the new products for utility. That was first used systematically in the 1950s to modify the "wild" penicillin.

If you want to learn about the origin of life under natural conditions, I suggest;

Deamer, David W.
2011 “First Life: Discovering the Connections between Stars, Cells, and How Life Began” University of California Press

 

[dougangel]

Number 3 shows us the problem. Those are known to be dinosaur prints, and dino prints only. You are have been fooled by lying professional creationists.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

I haven't been fooled. I just said that it's not right to say there is no evidence of dinosaur and man. There is evidence out there.

 

[Hoghead1]

I think you have a point, Dougangel. However, that does not al all mean I accept anything the creationists have to say. However, it does appear obvious to me that we could never have cohabited a planet full of these creatures. Some massive extinction had to happen before we came along. Nevertheless, some might have managed to somehow survive, which accounts for the numerous later sightings of monsters.

 

[USincognito]

Anything in the fossil record that disproves evolution is a "fake" or a "hoax". Even fully intact skulls are, of course, fabricated. Even if there are 100's of them. {snip}

Why are Creationists such big fans of screeds and high dudgeon, yet so averse to simply providing actual evidence to support their claim? If there are "100s of them" then, say, 10 or 20 should withstand scrutiny. None of them do however.