Magnetic Bracelets

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 6, 2016

JacksBratt said:
Our electricity is 60 Hz. A magnetic field created by this is actually harmful.

If that was the case, we'd all be healthier if we used DC (direct current) in our homes and offices, instead of 50-60 Hz AC (alternating current) mains. All wiring with current flowing through it produces a magnetic field, so we are surrounded by magnetic fields produced by 60Hz AC current. If it was harmful you'd expect to see a health difference, attributable to magnetic fields, between people who live for long periods in proximity with AC power and those who live with DC power only. However, it is not observed in practice, and there's no physiological reason to expect harm from such magnetic fields.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 6, 2016

JacksBratt said:
...Actually, it is available to all. You just have to buy it. It is much cheaper and easier on the kidneys and liver than taking all the other meds that doctors prescribe. A bottle of my medication for my migraines, which is over the counter but you have to ask for it, it is called AC&C which stands for Acetylsalicylic Acid 375 mg, caffeine 15 mg and codeine 8 mg. I take 3 at the onset. It costs $14.00 for 100 tablets. It allows me to function in my life while suffering from a migraine or other headache . A couple of times a year, these three pills will not be enough. Without the magnet I needed them far more often than I do now. Usually repeating the dose every six hours, which is rarely necessary now. My necklace was $40.00 and well worth it and lasts for a decade or more before the cable that holds the beads together wears out. The magnets will last indefinitely.

That's the point - it's cheap and available to all; the question is why something so cheap, that's been around so long - if it's as effective as claimed - hasn't displaced all other treatments for the condition, or at least, isn't always used in combination with them. It isn't - why is that?

Your description is quite consistent with a placebo effect. If you find it helps you that's fine. Evidence has shown that, in general, the more you pay, the greater the placebo effect, so you might consider trying a more expensive necklace (sale or return) to see if it helps more

SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

JacksBratt said:
Electromagnetism will not work unless it is at a reduced frequency. Our electricity is 60 Hz. A magnetic field created by this is actually harmful. This is why pregnant women should never sleep in a water bed with the electric heater on. Permanent magnets simulate or perpetuate energy that mimics or duplicates that of the earth. We have already have one poster state that the strength of the earths magnetic field is diminishing. One of the claims is that these devices, permanent magnets, replace the missing magnetic force that our bodies function better with.

As for your belief "Not if it worked they wouldn't", you will never convince me of this. Not until I see veterinary offices selling magnetic devices. If they are not going to make $$$ then the device will be said not to work.

Electromagnets run on DC current rather than cycling AC.

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SkyWriting · Mar 6, 2016

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
If that was the case, we'd all be healthier if we used DC (direct current) in our homes and offices, instead of 50-60 Hz AC (alternating current) mains.

That is correct, but ac takes much lighter gauge wiring....and we know our homes
have very little extra capacity now. DC would run much hotter (less safe) but with safer
magnetic fields.

NothingIsImpossible · Mar 6, 2016

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Perhaps; from where I am, it's an indirect report of an anecdotal claim, i.e. hearsay, which is the most unreliable form of evidence; I'd like to see some concrete evidence and a thorough investigation by independent experts in veterinary medicine - after all, if this really is such an wonderfully effective treatment, it should be made available to all, pets and humans alike. One wonders why such a cheap, easy, and apparently effective treatment hasn't already displaced all others...

The problem is first, a migraine is debilitating. At least for me. I can spend 24 hours in bed in severe pain if I do not get rid of it. And after I may spend the next day recovering from it (relatively fast). So if its hearsay that a magnetic headband works, how can you prove what I feel from is a placebo affect? Because if if that were the case and it was all just in my mind that healed the migraine, then you'd think psychologists/doctors would help people use their mind to "pretend" their better mind is better since obviously it would work. But they don't do it because in some cases you can't placebo your way to perfect health. Only evidence could be for you to be at my house when I have a migraine and see the magnetic headband get rid of it.

Not to mention you say you would think such wonders would be known, cheap...etc for people. Are from america? Because here pharmaceuticals rule things. And the FDA. So of course the FDA/Pharmas are not going to approve of magnetic headbands because it means no money for either of them. And no money means no job. You can't get beyond rich off of magnetic headbands. That should be the logical conclusion as to why these things are normal practice to get rid of migraines. To be fair though most of the people that don't believe magnetic headbands can work I notice are non-christian. Which makes sense because they are usually the ones who need evidence of everything or they can't live without knowing and hence find anything hard to believe.

Which is why they also find Christianity hard to believe in. If you cannot see God, He must not exist. Or when people see a glimpse of heaven on deaths door, science triers to explain it away. When someones cancer disappears overnight after being prayed over by a church, science explains it away. As I say if God came down from the sky Himself (like literally descended out of thin air), performed some miracles, created something instantly (lets say a diamond the size of a house)... most non-believers would still not believe its Him. Which is either because they still want science to prove it (which how can you prove something thats out of our realm and understanding?) or they don't really care if something is real because that thing offends them. Hence God is offensive so it doesn't matter anyways.

Which is ironic because they say christians are close minded. Yet they do the same thing when it comes to what they don't like. Though I still think a close minded person can only accept everything just came into being rather then thinking outside the box and saying "What if a creator made us?". At least alien fanatics believe such things to some degree. Ok my rants over. Unfollowing the topic since its to frustrating. My magnetic headband works for me period. You have no way to explain why it works besides throwing around the word placebo. Which is just a way for you to feel comfortable of something you can't explain.

AV1611VET · Mar 6, 2016

PsychoSarah said:
My mind is the greatest troll in my life,

Of course.

It's a woman's mind!

... Just kidding!

So don't squint those eyes at me ...

GoldenBoy89 · Mar 6, 2016

I hear those bracelets are really good at separating fools from their money.

AV1611VET · Mar 6, 2016

GoldenBoy89 said:
I hear those bracelets are really good at separating fools from their money.

Days ago I would have "like" this post, but I'm not going to undermine the testimonies of those who claim their migraines have been alleviated with them.

GoldenBoy89 · Mar 6, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Days ago I would have "like" this post, but I'm not going to undermine the testimonies of those who claim their migraines have been alleviated with them.

Oh, I wouldn't doubt their testimony either. I would doubt the bracelets had any real effect but I wouldn't doubt the power of a placebo.

Aureus · Mar 7, 2016

NothingIsImpossible said:
You can't get beyond rich off of magnetic headbands.

Sure you can.

"Despite a lack of scientific evidence to support claims that commercially available magnetic therapy devices work, wearable magnets remain extremely popular. Global sale of therapeutic magnets is estimated to be at least $1 billion a year, according to the BBC. "

Billion Dollar Industry. If the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] worked, Pharmaceutical companies would be more than happy to sell it to you and get their piece of the pie. You can get very rich selling psuedo science junk that doesn't work. You're the prime example of how it is done as well. Sell someone psuedo-science junk and let them A) convince themselves that it works and B) that the MAN (FDA/Pharmaceutical companies) are just keeping the cure down. Meanwhile they drive around in Ferraris because you and a million people like you are buying cheap junk that doesn't do anything.

When someones cancer disappears overnight after being prayed over by a church, science explains it away.

Blah could use its own thread, but hilarious all the same since nothing has ever shown prayer to work. Just keeping counting all the 'hits' and ignoring all of the misses so you can keep believing. Meanwhile it is very sad that so many people thank God for the works of real Doctors, real Nurses, real Pharmacists and the work of the real Scientists that actually did the work.

My magnetic headband works for me period. You have no way to explain why it works besides throwing around the word placebo. Which is just a way for you to feel comfortable of something you can't explain.

"Many well-conducted studies over the past three decades have shown that static magnetic devices offer no more or no less benefit than sham devices devoid of a magnet. These studies suggest that static magnetic therapy devices may not work at all beyond having a placebo effect on those who wear them. "

It doesn't work, you think it does. Those people that were given sham bracelets with no magnets in them were just as convinced as you were that it was working. But hey, don't bother with the truth, just keep believing it works, keep telling your friends and keep buying those scammers who sell this junk another Ferrari.

SkyWriting · Mar 7, 2016

Olaf said:
Magnets, copper bracelets, talismans, donkey droppings and so on, all fail to consistently deliver the results claimed for them. In a double blind test, a magnet will perform no worse or better than a lump of ordinary iron or a piece of wood.

Yes, but it can work. If a bracelet reduces pain, pain is reduced.

SkyWriting · Mar 7, 2016

NothingIsImpossible said:
The problem is first, a migraine is debilitating. At least for me. I can spend 24 hours in bed in severe pain if I do not get rid of it. And after I may spend the next day recovering from it (relatively fast). So if its hearsay that a magnetic headband works, how can you prove what I feel from is a placebo affect? Because if if that were the case and it was all just in my mind that healed the migraine, then you'd think psychologists/doctors would help people use their mind to "pretend" their better mind is better since obviously it would work. But they don't do it because in some cases you can't placebo your way to perfect health. Only evidence could be for you to be at my house when I have a migraine and see the magnetic headband get rid of it.

Not to mention you say you would think such wonders would be known, cheap...etc for people. Are from america? Because here pharmaceuticals rule things. And the FDA. So of course the FDA/Pharmas are not going to approve of magnetic headbands because it means no money for either of them. And no money means no job. You can't get beyond rich off of magnetic headbands. That should be the logical conclusion as to why these things are normal practice to get rid of migraines. To be fair though most of the people that don't believe magnetic headbands can work I notice are non-christian. Which makes sense because they are usually the ones who need evidence of everything or they can't live without knowing and hence find anything hard to believe.

Which is why they also find Christianity hard to believe in. If you cannot see God, He must not exist. Or when people see a glimpse of heaven on deaths door, science triers to explain it away. When someones cancer disappears overnight after being prayed over by a church, science explains it away. As I say if God came down from the sky Himself (like literally descended out of thin air), performed some miracles, created something instantly (lets say a diamond the size of a house)... most non-believers would still not believe its Him. Which is either because they still want science to prove it (which how can you prove something thats out of our realm and understanding?) or they don't really care if something is real because that thing offends them. Hence God is offensive so it doesn't matter anyways.

Which is ironic because they say christians are close minded. Yet they do the same thing when it comes to what they don't like. Though I still think a close minded person can only accept everything just came into being rather then thinking outside the box and saying "What if a creator made us?". At least alien fanatics believe such things to some degree. Ok my rants over. Unfollowing the topic since its to frustrating. My magnetic headband works for me period. You have no way to explain why it works besides throwing around the word placebo. Which is just a way for you to feel comfortable of something you can't explain.

Pressure points are a valid method for reducing pain.
Also, any stimulus helps. Try a TENS unit if you get
a chance.

Aureus · Mar 7, 2016

SkyWriting said:
Yes, but it can work. If a bracelet reduces pain, pain is reduced.

Correlation is not causation.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Mar 7, 2016

SkyWriting said:
That is correct, but ac takes much lighter gauge wiring....and we know our homes
have very little extra capacity now. DC would run much hotter (less safe) but with safer
magnetic fields.

Neither has harmful magnetic fields.

JacksBratt · Mar 7, 2016

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
If that was the case, we'd all be healthier if we used DC (direct current) in our homes and offices, instead of 50-60 Hz AC (alternating current) mains. All wiring with current flowing through it produces a magnetic field, so we are surrounded by magnetic fields produced by 60Hz AC current. If it was harmful you'd expect to see a health difference, attributable to magnetic fields, between people who live for long periods in proximity with AC power and those who live with DC power only. However, it is not observed in practice, and there's no physiological reason to expect harm from such magnetic fields.

I believe it has something to do with how close you are to the current. Unless you spend 8 hours stuck to the wall your wiring is in, you should be far enough away. I will say that I will not buy a house that is withing 100 yds of those high tension wires that cover the countryside. There are all kinds of tests done with water bed heaters. Some are positive some negative. I never researched it as it was the waterbed salesman that told us. My thinking was, why would this guy risk a sale by telling us something that was a negative fact about his product.

Tesla and Edison had a life long argument over AC and DC current. DC current needs numerous amplification stations and for other reasons is far inferior as an electrical energy source for residential and industrial use. On his death bed, Edison was supposedly to have said "Tesla was right about AC current" but who knows for sure.

JacksBratt · Mar 7, 2016

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
That's the point - it's cheap and available to all; the question is why something so cheap, that's been around so long - if it's as effective as claimed - hasn't displaced all other treatments for the condition, or at least, isn't always used in combination with them. It isn't - why is that?

IDK, maybe because people keep bah humbugging it? Telling people it's a placebo and there is no merit to it? Seems like there are enough people here who are very motivated to derail anyone from any form of belief that it actually works.

Why is that? That is the question. If I don't believe that a raw egg will cure a hangover and guy "X" believes 100% I'm not going to try to convince the guy, and anyone else who will listen, of how wrong he is and it's all in his head.... Why would I do that?

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Your description is quite consistent with a placebo effect. If you find it helps you that's fine. Evidence has shown that, in general, the more you pay, the greater the placebo effect, so you might consider trying a more expensive necklace (sale or return) to see if it helps more

You should read more of the posts on this thread. I tried a more expensive one that was a more manly type design. However it did not work as well and was more than twice the price. I am now back to using a less expensive necklace.

Your theory is shot down.....

Your response is quite consistent with someone who has a personal interest or financial connection to the success or failure of the product. I'm willing to bet that this is not the case, however. So, again, the question, why are you so vocal and headstrong on derailing anyone from having any belief that there is merit to fact that this inexpensive magnetic device can actually be beneficial to their health? Why deter someone from a possible relief from a chronic ailment?

Is that not a little morbid......

JacksBratt · Mar 7, 2016

SkyWriting said:
Electromagnets run on DC current rather than cycling AC.

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You are correct, however, AC will create a magnetic field as well.

JacksBratt · Mar 7, 2016

Aureus said:
Blah could use its own thread, but hilarious all the same since nothing has ever shown prayer to work. Just keeping counting all the 'hits' and ignoring all of the misses so you can keep believing. Meanwhile it is very sad that so many people thank God for the works of real Doctors, real Nurses, real Pharmacists and the work of the real Scientists that actually did the work.

Believe what you want. My terminally ill friend went to a faith healer after being told to get his affairs in order by "real Doctors and Real Nurses, real Pharmacists and the research or Real Scientists.
He will tell you every year of his now regained long life, that you can believe it or not but he will praise God for every year he has left of his now cancer free life.

His doctors are now amazed as they cannot find one shred of evidence that he even had cancer. Not even a scar or trace of an indication of it.......

What would be sad is if you missed out on something such as the blessing this man and his loved ones now have due to the power of the living God.

doubterAureus said:
It doesn't work, you think it does. Those people that were given sham bracelets with no magnets in them were just as convinced as you were that it was working. But hey, don't bother with the truth, just keep believing it works, keep telling your friends and keep buying those scammers who sell this junk another Ferrari.

I will keep wearing it and keep having less severe and less numerous migraines. I will sleep like a baby as I don't give a rip what you think or as to why the magnets have the desired affect for a very low cost in comparison to pharmaceuticals.

Larniavc · Mar 7, 2016

AV1611VET said:
Hi there.

So what's up with these magnetic bracelets?

Are they efficacious?

What are the consequences of having the iron in our blood passing through a magnetic field?

They are inefficacious and part of so called 'New Age' hocus pocus. To part people from their monies.

Aureus · Mar 7, 2016

JacksBratt said:
Believe what you want. My terminally ill friend went to a faith healer after being told to get his affairs in order by "real Doctors and Real Nurses, real Pharmacists and the research or Real Scientists.
He will tell you every year of his now regained long life, that you can believe it or not but he will praise God for every year he has left of his now cancer free life.

Congratulations, your friends cancer went into remission, an extremely unlikely but not unknown situation.

I will keep wearing it and keep having less severe and less numerous migraines. I will sleep like a baby as I don't give a rip what you think or as to why the magnets have the desired affect for a very low cost in comparison to pharmaceuticals.

And people continue taking their diluted duck liver pills. You, like those who take their diluted duck liver pills, live in a world where correlation IS causation and that is simply not the case. You don't want to step outside of your limited experiences and look at a larger picture that can reveal the truth, in the real world correlation does not imply causation. Glad you don't have the pain anymore, am sad that you've been hoodwinked into buying junk plastic by scam artists.

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