Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[1stcenturylady]

Like what? Pick a hole, and we can discuss it.

The rate the sun is burning up and becoming smaller. If the earth was billions of years old, the sun would have consumed earth then. Especially, flesh and blood.

 

[USincognito]

Evolution is a non-proven theory, full of holes.

Nothing is ever proven in science. That said there is overwhelming evidence supporting evolution. If you think it's full of holes, then give us a few examples and we can discuss them.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Nothing is ever proven in science. That said there is overwhelming evidence supporting evolution. If you think it's full of holes, then give us a few examples and we can discuss them.

I just did. Good night.

 

[USincognito]

The missing link.

"The Missing Link" is an outdated 19th Century concept. There is no singular specific that is halfway between humans and our fellow apes. The proper term is transitional fossils and we have hundreds of specimens from about twenty different species. Looking outside of hominids, there are tens of thousands of fossils representing hundreds of transitional species.

 

[1stcenturylady]

"The Missing Link" is an outdated 19th Century concept. There is no singular specific that is halfway between humans and our fellow apes. The proper term is transitional fossils and we have hundreds of specimens from about twenty different species. Looking outside of hominids, there are tens of thousands of fossils representing hundreds of transitional species.

I changed it, go back to my edited post. And good night.

 

[Armoured]

The rate the sun is burning up and becoming smaller. If the earth was billions of years old, the sun would have consumed earth then. Especially, flesh and blood.

That's not actually evolution, but OK, let's go with that. Show us your figures, please?

 

[USincognito]

I changed it, go back to my edited post. And good night.

Night. My response will be waiting in the morning.

 

[USincognito]

That's not actually evolution, but OK, let's go with that. Show us your figures, please?

Yeah, it's the old "evolution science" thing where Creationists think evolution is supposed to explain everything.

 

[Armoured]

Yeah, it's the old "evolution science" thing where Creationists think evolution is supposed to explain everything.

And expecting rates of change to progress at arithmetic rates, rather than logarithmic

 

[USincognito]

The rate the sun is burning up and becoming smaller. If the earth was billions of years old, the sun would have consumed earth then. Especially, flesh and blood.

First off, the sun isn't burning. It's basically a self-sustaining fusion reaction. That said it's rate of loss due to coronal mass ejection, solar wind, energy and neutrino production are not as large as Creationists claim. Claims about the diameter shrinking significantly were based on erroneous observations from 300 years ago.
Stanford SOLAR Center -- Ask A Solar Physicist FAQs - Answer

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism is an ersatz science proposition.

Says who?

 

[Dave RP]

Dave I sadly - because all Christians need to be in concert - have to inform you that is not correct. I could give you information and argument on the subject, but since you seem to be a YEC supporter, you would simply ignore it.

Sorry you misunderstood, I am an Atheist, I do not hold any beliefs in any of the available Gods. YEC is just preposterous, I find it amusing that any sane rational human being can believe in YEC, but some do.

 

[The Stamp]

What if God stood on His head and juggled three golf balls? Bring God and the loaf of raisin bread and we'll talk about it.

Nonsense is nonsense, even when the nonsense speaker throws God into the mix. And please don't tell me you don't get it.

All lies seem to be believed if the word God is in the sentence somewhere, for those people raised in fear of Gods it's not even up for debate, the truth regarding their God is dependant on the amount of fear that's been instilled in them.

 

[Dave RP]

All lies seem to be believed if the word God is in the sentence somewhere, for those people raised in fear of Gods it's not even up for debate, the truth regarding their God is dependant on the amount of fear that's been instilled in them.

Therein lies the crux of all these discussions - God is by definition all powerful, those who believe in God and believe the bible is Gods word must also believe that everything is possible if God wants it to happen. Those who don't believe in God have to look for rational explanations for every phenomena, and as an atheist I'll admit I cannot explain who the universe started, how life started, why the universe is do huge, how it all works. Even the greatest scientific minds are only able to scratch the surface, they can only go so far. Maybe we'll never figure it all out, I personally just don't believe it was God as described in organised religions. I do fully appreciate that many people genuinely believe in their God, and I respect those beliefs, I just don't share them.

 

[grasping the after wind]

This conversation amounts to one set of people saying it is 3.28 feet and the other insisting that is wrong because it is a meter. It is simply childish to try to persuade others they are wrong about the length of an object by insisting they should be measuring the object in meters rather than yards or in yards rather than meters. If a persons measures the truth of reality based upon one particular thing or system or philosophy etc. you cannot make a convincing argument against that person's POV by using something that person does not accept as the final authothrity on what is true and real and . So if he/she rejects the ability of scientific inquiry to reveal the absolute truth, it is no more profitable to try to convince that person that their beliefs are wrong using science than it would be to use the Bible to convince an atheist that "God does it". Socrates said as much centuries ago when he in essence said that if we cannot agree on basic assumptions about the nature of reality we might just as well just go our separate ways and not be bothered debating each other as nothing fruitful can come from such a debate because we will be talking past and at each other rather than refining our understanding.

 

[Dave RP]

This conversation amounts to one set of people saying it is 3.28 feet and the other insisting that is wrong because it is a meter. It is simply childish to try to persuade others they are wrong about the length of an object by insisting they should be measuring the object in meters rather than yards or in yards rather than meters. If a persons measures the truth of reality based upon one particular thing or system or philosophy etc. you cannot make a convincing argument against that person's POV by using something that person does not accept as the final authothrity on what is true and real and . So if he/she rejects the ability of scientific inquiry to reveal the absolute truth, it is no more profitable to try to convince that person that their beliefs are wrong using science than it would be to use the Bible to convince an atheist that "God does it". Socrates said as much centuries ago when he in essence said that if we cannot agree on basic assumptions about the nature of reality we might just as well just go our separate ways and not be bothered debating each other as nothing fruitful can come from such a debate because we will be talking past and at each other rather than refining our understanding.

Hear hear, nonetheless SOME debate is interesting between religious adherents and non believers, it is just important to maintain respect. For example, my partner is a practising Christian and I sometimes will start a debate on here to assist me in the occasional discussions i have with her on matters of church doctrine or interpretation of the bible. Thankfully we don't debate religion much, at the end of the day she believes and I don't, that's how it is. I do think she secretly hopes I'll see the light and change, which I can't see happening. I have no problem with her having faith, it gives her comfort.

 

[AV1611VET]

All lies seem to be believed if the word God is in the sentence somewhere, for those people raised in fear of Gods it's not even up for debate, the truth regarding their God is dependant on the amount of fear that's been instilled in them.

And for those who disagree with you, they can ask their pastors why animals and plants living on the islands [sic] of Madagascar & Australia not exist anywhere else on earth?

Right?

 

[Jimmy D]

And for those who disagree with you, they can ask their pastors why animals and plants living on the islands [sic] of Madagascar & Australia not exist anywhere else on earth?

Right?

I don't know if a Pastor would necessarily be the best person to seek out for information about biology.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know if a Pastor would necessarily be the best person to seek out for information about biology.

Then I take it you wouldn't suggest someone ask their pastor?

 

[Jimmy D]

Then I take it you wouldn't suggest someone ask their pastor?

If this hypothetical Pastor is knowledgeable on the topic (by which I mean a modern scientific understanding rather than ignorant YEC garbage) I don't see a problem with it.