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Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

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I don't know if a Pastor would necessarily be the best person to seek out for information about biology.
In my experience, they'd be the worst. Especially Baptist pastors.
 
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In my experience, they'd be the worst. Especially Baptist pastors.
Basically anyone who invokes rocket powered flying clams or teleporting koalas should be way down the list.
 
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If this hypothetical Pastor is knowledgeable on the topic (by which I mean a modern scientific understanding rather than ignorant YEC garbage) I don't see a problem with it.
Well evidently the OP has looser standards, eh?
 
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Basically anyone who invokes rocket powered flying clams or teleporting koalas should be way down the list.
Are you guys trying to limit the OP to a select group of pastors? or am I just imagining some scientific prejudice going on?
 
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And for those who disagree with you, they can ask their pastors why animals and plants living on the islands [sic] of Madagascar & Australia not exist anywhere else on earth?
Right?
I suggested the pastors because I thought creationists would trust their pastor before someone who knew what they were talking about, I thought it might be possible that the crazy answers a pastor might give would just not ring true to a creationist and it might make them think about the question.
I realise that if all else fails for a pastor when they are trying to answer a question they can always fall back on magic or 'we don't understand God' or 'just have faith', a non-answer is as good as an answer for a creationist and pastors know this.
 
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All lies seem to be believed if the word God is in the sentence somewhere, for those people raised in fear of Gods it's not even up for debate, the truth regarding their God is dependant on the amount of fear that's been instilled in them.
That statement has some truth. As a practicing, believing Christian, I am disgusted at times by the 'fringes' who demand exact adherence to their opinions and conclusions and ignoring any Biblical references at odds with those opinions.

On the other hand, I find the underlying principles and reasoning of atheists ridiculous, but not particularly offensive. One should expect anyone with a particular world view to adhere to that world view. At least until that world view is shown to be erroneous.

Oddly, I find the same 'blindness' in both extremes. Both YEC proponents and 'strong' atheists (the "I KNOW there is no God and so does everyone else, really!" types) have an amazing ability and predilection to simply ignore anything not supporting their already decided opinion. Both sorts can be changed, but only by the power of God.
 
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I don't know if a Pastor would necessarily be the best person to seek out for information about biology.
It depends on the pastor. I know a couple pastors who have no real knowledge of biology (or wood working) and yet think they know 'everything' about biology (not so much wood working). Most have the basic High School course information, which may have been updated since High School and much forgotten. Then there are a few who are actual Renaissance men and have a wide range of knowledge.

But on the whole, I would doubt it.

Then again, I wouldn't ask a biologist about doing my taxes (in general).
 
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That statement has some truth. As a practicing, believing Christian, I am disgusted at times by the 'fringes' who demand exact adherence to their opinions and conclusions and ignoring any Biblical references at odds with those opinions.
The time to believe something is when there is sufficient evidence to justify belief, not before.
 
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Hi dave,

That's a correct understanding of my faith in God. Paul tells us that the chief importance of there ever even being a Jewish people was that they were entrusted with the very oracles of God. Those 'oracles' are the Scriptures. They have been preserved throughout the generations since their writing by the very hand of God. Even at one point when a part of them were destroyed, God created a duplicate copy. For me, the Scriptures, and only the Scriptures, are what I can be assured are the truth of God. Who He is and all that He has done. What my purpose is and why He created this realm. It's all told to me in the Scriptures and they are complete for the understanding of any man to know God. For me, if I can't verify some understanding or belief of others through the Scriptures, then it's suspect understanding or belief.

Others have different measuring rods for truth.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

All of that is you believing the words of other men, that's all...
 
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The time to believe something is when there is sufficient evidence to justify belief, not before.
That might work for Thalidomide, but not God.

2 Corinthians 5:7 ( For we walk by faith, not by sight: )

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
 
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All of that is you believing the words of other men, that's all...
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 
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The rate the sun is burning up and becoming smaller. If the earth was billions of years old, the sun would have consumed earth then. Especially, flesh and blood.
i can add another evidence. for instance: according to scientific papers DNA cant survive more then 100,000 years. and yet we have found such DNA from fossils that suppose to be 20 my old.
 
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