You asked several questions that have been answered in my posts above so why do you now ''sigh'' and opine how you had ''so hoped we had gotten to a point where we might return to the OP'' once again?
Sigh, lol, even now, Daq, you do not answer my post, but add to your own teaching. I can only view this for what it is. Pasting scripture together to create doctrine.
Especially now after eighteen pages of wrangling over seemingly nothingness?
Nothingness? My friend, have you read the posts?
I don't really mind rabbit trails, and in fact when we look at a doctrine it is of necessity that we cover a lot of ground, because all sound doctrine is woven together, so that reference to most teachings is not...off-topic.
Are you in agreement with that which the conversation of "nothingness" discussed? Would you condemn those that "love the word of God, study fervently, and go to church often?" as my antagonist did? Placing them as more deserving of contempt than hired murderers, assassins, criminals, et cetera?
Not nothingness, Daq, but a drawing into the light the heart. An examination of that heart. And a comparison of the treasure displayed in light of the word of God.
To overlook the importance of this is to have one's heart focused on self and our own teachings, and that, my friend, is inexcusable.
Also, by the way, Yeshua clearly interprets the bad or evil ''mountains'' of Scripture as ''devils''.
Show me that in Revelation, Daq. I have already provided the commentary taken directly from the word of God.
Not a spiritualized patchwork of notions.
It is right there in front of you quoted from Matthew 17.
And you have consistently refused to address my questions. I pose it again: show me the tie to Tribulational events.
If you ignore this teaching when it comes to the Book of Daniel, the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua, and any other of the prophetic writings, you are deceiving yourself.
If you say so, lol.
The ''mountains'' are therefore not kingdoms of nations found on ''Armageddon war maps'' of Europe or the Middle East.![]()
I agree, for five are fallen, one is, and one is to come. Kind of difficult to put that on a map.
Alas, that I be forced to opine, to sigh in great...boredom.
Give me a break, lol. Can you simply focus on the conversation, Daq?
Luke 11:24-26 KJV
24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
If therefore the ''old man'' goes and takes to himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they return to the former house from whence he came; then does that not make him ''the eighth and of the seven'' according to the Scripture passage which I referenced and you have now quoted?
So who do you apply this to, Daq? "The old man" is the former man...not the new creation. You merge concepts at will, and the result is not biblical truth, it is nonsense.
The old man is crucified with Christ. It is a reference to the person Christ died for.
The new man, not returning spirits, is the born again believer striving to mortify the deeds of the flesh.
Yet you apply willy-nilly teachings and passages to fortify what it ius you believe people should believe. In order to expound, my friend, you must first exegete. If the exegesis is in error, so too will be the exposition.
Yes it does make him the eighth and of the seven:
No, because the man...is not one of the evil spirits, Daq.
If the man is an evil spirit, then what we have is the Lord teaching us about demons being...demon possessed.
See the problem there?
I am reminded of the preacher that said, "I have a great message, now if I can just find the right verse to fit it."
Revelation 17:9-11 KJV
9. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
I believe we see here that the final ruler of the final kingdom will come out of the seventh kingdom, which I personally believe to be the Roman Empire. I believe we see a revived Roman Empire of sorts in the EU.
There is a thread going on right now where some believe that the "lost tribes" are European nations, and that they are basically Christian. Having discussed this before with white supremacists, I understand the racist ties this has with groups that claim to be christian, but in truth are satanic. The "lie" that people will be deluded by will in part, I believe, play into this very well when Antichrist appears.
If you take the time to read, Daq, that conversation that you consider "nothingness," you might be surprised at what is talked about. I would challenge you to read what is discussed, and then tell what you think. Tell me if you align yourself with those that believe they have regular face to face meetings with God and the Son, are given dreams and revelations that conflict with the word of God. Tell me if you also believe that the word of God is corrupt and cannot be trusted.
No, it is not nothingness, Daq, it is simply a necessary address of the evil men teach. It is met with the word of God, at least, most of it, lol. Sometimes there is room to yank a chain, but when it gets down to it, it is never nothingness, because there will be those that read that may be assured that the word of God is able to resond to the evil men teach.
And yes indeed the Testimony of Yeshua is the Spirit of Prophecy![]()
Prophecy without life is the teaching of dead men.
God bless.
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