Luke 16: A response to an article.

[P1LGR1M]

You asked several questions that have been answered in my posts above so why do you now ''sigh'' and opine how you had ''so hoped we had gotten to a point where we might return to the OP'' once again?

Sigh, lol, even now, Daq, you do not answer my post, but add to your own teaching. I can only view this for what it is. Pasting scripture together to create doctrine.

Especially now after eighteen pages of wrangling over seemingly nothingness?

Nothingness? My friend, have you read the posts?

I don't really mind rabbit trails, and in fact when we look at a doctrine it is of necessity that we cover a lot of ground, because all sound doctrine is woven together, so that reference to most teachings is not...off-topic.

Are you in agreement with that which the conversation of "nothingness" discussed? Would you condemn those that "love the word of God, study fervently, and go to church often?" as my antagonist did? Placing them as more deserving of contempt than hired murderers, assassins, criminals, et cetera?

Not nothingness, Daq, but a drawing into the light the heart. An examination of that heart. And a comparison of the treasure displayed in light of the word of God.

To overlook the importance of this is to have one's heart focused on self and our own teachings, and that, my friend, is inexcusable.

Also, by the way, Yeshua clearly interprets the bad or evil ''mountains'' of Scripture as ''devils''.

Show me that in Revelation, Daq. I have already provided the commentary taken directly from the word of God.

Not a spiritualized patchwork of notions.

It is right there in front of you quoted from Matthew 17.

And you have consistently refused to address my questions. I pose it again: show me the tie to Tribulational events.

If you ignore this teaching when it comes to the Book of Daniel, the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua, and any other of the prophetic writings, you are deceiving yourself.

If you say so, lol.

The ''mountains'' are therefore not kingdoms of nations found on ''Armageddon war maps'' of Europe or the Middle East.

I agree, for five are fallen, one is, and one is to come. Kind of difficult to put that on a map.

Alas, that I be forced to opine, to sigh in great...boredom.

Give me a break, lol. Can you simply focus on the conversation, Daq?

Luke 11:24-26 KJV
24. When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25. And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26. Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

If therefore the ''old man'' goes and takes to himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they return to the former house from whence he came; then does that not make him ''the eighth and of the seven'' according to the Scripture passage which I referenced and you have now quoted?

So who do you apply this to, Daq? "The old man" is the former man...not the new creation. You merge concepts at will, and the result is not biblical truth, it is nonsense.

The old man is crucified with Christ. It is a reference to the person Christ died for.

The new man, not returning spirits, is the born again believer striving to mortify the deeds of the flesh.

Yet you apply willy-nilly teachings and passages to fortify what it ius you believe people should believe. In order to expound, my friend, you must first exegete. If the exegesis is in error, so too will be the exposition.

Yes it does make him the eighth and of the seven:

No, because the man...is not one of the evil spirits, Daq.

If the man is an evil spirit, then what we have is the Lord teaching us about demons being...demon possessed.

See the problem there?

I am reminded of the preacher that said, "I have a great message, now if I can just find the right verse to fit it."

Revelation 17:9-11 KJV
9. And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

I believe we see here that the final ruler of the final kingdom will come out of the seventh kingdom, which I personally believe to be the Roman Empire. I believe we see a revived Roman Empire of sorts in the EU.

There is a thread going on right now where some believe that the "lost tribes" are European nations, and that they are basically Christian. Having discussed this before with white supremacists, I understand the racist ties this has with groups that claim to be christian, but in truth are satanic. The "lie" that people will be deluded by will in part, I believe, play into this very well when Antichrist appears.

If you take the time to read, Daq, that conversation that you consider "nothingness," you might be surprised at what is talked about. I would challenge you to read what is discussed, and then tell what you think. Tell me if you align yourself with those that believe they have regular face to face meetings with God and the Son, are given dreams and revelations that conflict with the word of God. Tell me if you also believe that the word of God is corrupt and cannot be trusted.

No, it is not nothingness, Daq, it is simply a necessary address of the evil men teach. It is met with the word of God, at least, most of it, lol. Sometimes there is room to yank a chain, but when it gets down to it, it is never nothingness, because there will be those that read that may be assured that the word of God is able to resond to the evil men teach.

And yes indeed the Testimony of Yeshua is the Spirit of Prophecy …

Prophecy without life is the teaching of dead men.

God bless.

 

[daq]

There is a thread going on right now where some believe that the "lost tribes" are European nations, and that they are basically Christian. Having discussed this before with white supremacists, I understand the racist ties this has with groups that claim to be christian, but in truth are satanic. The "lie" that people will be deluded by will in part, I believe, play into this very well when Antichrist appears.

If you take the time to read, Daq, that conversation that you consider "nothingness," you might be surprised at what is talked about. I would challenge you to read what is discussed, and then tell what you think. Tell me if you align yourself with those that believe they have regular face to face meetings with God and the Son, are given dreams and revelations that conflict with the word of God. Tell me if you also believe that the word of God is corrupt and cannot be trusted.

No, it is not nothingness, Daq, it is simply a necessary address of the evil men teach. It is met with the word of God, at least, most of it, lol. Sometimes there is room to yank a chain, but when it gets down to it, it is never nothingness, because there will be those that read that may be assured that the word of God is able to resond to the evil men teach.

And yes indeed the Testimony of Yeshua is the Spirit of Prophecy …

Prophecy without life is the teaching of dead men.

Why should it be necessary to respond again and again to the same old fleshly arguments? If you and they would only listen to your teachers you and they would not need me or anyone else to reveal the truth. None of the holy Word of YHWH is carnal: all things written are written according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh. For the same reason not many understand Torah and why it has neither been ''abolished'' nor abrogated. Therefore walk according to the Spirit or die according to the Scripture:

John 3:8-13 YGB
8. the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.'
9. Nicodemus answered and said to him, 'How are these things able to happen?'
10. Jesus answered and said to him, 'Thou art the teacher of Israel - and these things thou dost not know!
11. 'Verily, verily, I say to thee - What we have known we speak, and what we have seen we testify, and our testimony ye do not receive;
12. if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe?
13. and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down - the Son of Man who is in the heaven.

John 6:62-63 KJV
62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Romans 8:4-13 KJV
4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Why should it be necessary to respond again and again to the same old fleshly arguments?

You tell me...I cannot see where I have been arguing, lol.

Simply responding to your posts. If there is a conflict, it does not involve me.

If you and they would only listen to your teachers you and they would not need me or anyone else to reveal the truth.

I have One Teacher that I rely on, that is God. That He teaches me is evidenced to me when that which I believe cannot be dismantled, but remains intact and in context with His word.

I have no need of your particualr doctrine, my friend, and you have yet to give a coherent presentation that is not a direct response, but cannot be seen to be a patchwork of proof texting that you might teach your doctrine.

Good luck with that.

None of the holy Word of YHWH is carnal: all things written are written according to the Spirit and not according to the flesh.

Who said the word was carnal?

Not I? I have consistently pointed men to scripture. Not my teaching.

For the same reason not many understand Torah and why it has neither been ''abolished'' nor abrogated.

Who said the "Torah has been abolished or abrogated?" Not I?

What you miht be confusing is that the Law, or, the Covenant of Law has indeed been abrogated by the establishment of the New Covenant.

But as the writer of Hebrews teaches, we "go on unto perfection, leaving the (first) principles of the Doctrine of Christ."

Not abandonment, my friend, but a progression to the fulfillment of what the Torah pointed to, which is salvation in Christ.

Go and learn what that meaneth.

Therefore walk according to the Spirit or die according to the Scripture:

This is true. However, "walking in the Spirit" is accomplished only by those born again. We are not given an option. One is either walking in the Spirit, or he is walking according to the flesh.

John 3:8-13 YGB
8. the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.'
9. Nicodemus answered and said to him, 'How are these things able to happen?'
10. Jesus answered and said to him, 'Thou art the teacher of Israel - and these things thou dost not know!
11. 'Verily, verily, I say to thee - What we have known we speak, and what we have seen we testify, and our testimony ye do not receive;
12. if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe?
13. and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down - the Son of Man who is in the heaven.


John 6:62-63 KJV
62. What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


Romans 8:4-13 KJV
4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Awesome scripture, let me know if you would like to discuss them.

Here is a relevant passage you might enjoy:
1 Corinthians 2:10-16

King James Version (KJV)


10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.


I will leave you with a question or two: should a Christian have self-control? Does not the word of God bring joy? How does the Lord feel about the wrath of man? What does that work?

God bless.

 

[daq]

You tell me...I cannot see where I have been arguing, lol.

Simply responding to your posts. If there is a conflict, it does not involve me.

I have One Teacher that I rely on, that is God. That He teaches me is evidenced to me when that which I believe cannot be dismantled, but remains intact and in context with His word.

I have no need of your particualr doctrine, my friend, and you have yet to give a coherent presentation that is not a direct response, but cannot be seen to be a patchwork of proof texting that you might teach your doctrine.

Good luck with that.

How is it that you cannot see my response was at your direct request?
Your request was quoted also in my response:

There is a thread going on right now where some believe that the "lost tribes" are European nations, and that they are basically Christian. Having discussed this before with white supremacists, I understand the racist ties this has with groups that claim to be christian, but in truth are satanic. The "lie" that people will be deluded by will in part, I believe, play into this very well when Antichrist appears.

If you take the time to read, Daq, that conversation that you consider "nothingness," you might be surprised at what is talked about. I would challenge you to read what is discussed, and then tell what you think.

Apparently it is not possible to carry on a normal conversation with you.

 

[strangertoo]

The gods you profess to know are not the God of scripture, sorry.

God does not save people and then hope things work out okay.

God does not even decide who has found the way of Love and is ready to be saved in THIS earth until Jesus returns and VERY FEW do {Matt 7:13-14] the billions are destroyed , all sinning still ... Jesus himself states in scripture of God that he will take none still sinning:-

Luke 13:27 But he [NOTE:Jesus at his return] shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

 

[strangertoo]

Yea, Lakota!...Do not kid yourself. That three-faced liar, Romney, would be at least as bad as Obama. But I would bet he would have proven to be even worse—far worse….

both sides of US politics are part of the NWO control from European bankers... major governments in the world have a neo-Zionist core group in control working toward the NWO financed by world bankers who have the legal right to create as much money as the like from nothing ... why would men allow anyone that much power and not realise what corruption of everything would come out of it ?
civil war is inevitable and the preparations are in place, gulags for a million Americans, laws so there do not have to be any trials , the Constitution violated utterly even though 9/11 was botched and is no transparently a false flag operation to get US to accept 'Patriot' Acts designed against US citizens to be able to control them under martial law ... [but the government will pretend it is the 'peace-keeper'] ...US sidings are lined with tens of thousands of black stock cars fitted inside with human shackles and tens of thousands of ADS systems are deployed in the USA that were field tested in Iraq causing obscene injuries , heads and arms burned and blown off ... it is no non-lethal system , it can be used at low or high power and has been used to blow bodies apart ... can be used against vehicles and from half a mile away ... fully mobile, humvee-mounted
Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-why do they need tens of thousands of these in USA ? and why do Americans buy up all the ammo they can as soon as it is delivered....?

it's just a small part of what is going on worldwide though... and the clue to what it's about is this otherwise inexplicable connection to neo-Zionism, the belief in the power that will come from Jerusalem in THIS world, in other words the final Antichrist -2Thess 2:4 ... which is why the unearthing of the second temple in Jerusalem currently being undertaken is more than a little significant

Active Denial Sytem [low power propaganda demos in US]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In tests carried out on Wednesday at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico, participants were asked to remove their glasses and contact lenses to protect their eyes. In other tests, participants were asked to remove metal objects like coins from their clothing. [/FONT]

can you imagine what it is like to have boiling water in your eyes... have you ever seen what happens if you put metal in a microwave [this ADS is a microwave weapon, it heats water instantly to boiling and generates electricity that can easily stop a heart, disrupt pacemakers and makes coins hot enough to set fire to clothing etc...]

are they going to ask US citizens rebelling against government tyranny to remove glasses and contact lenses and metal objects before spraying them with this ray ? .... I think it is obvious that this thing is far from harmless ... it has been used to blow people apart in Iraq , surgeons there were mystified at first , no bullets , no shrapnel, yet horrendous body injuries, heads and arms blown off , corpses shrunken by water boiled out of them by the ray, faces burned off to the bone ... even little children, it is an indiscriminate weapon...

I dunno how any American using such a thing or supporting the government that has bought so many of these things can fool himself he is following Christ... it is indeed active denial of the Truth...

 

[Senecharnix]

both sides of US politics are part of the NWO control from European bankers... major governments in the world have a neo-Zionist core group in control working toward the NWO financed by world bankers who have the legal right to create as much money as the like from nothing ... why would men allow anyone that much power and not realise what corruption of everything would come out of it ?
civil war is inevitable and the preparations are in place, gulags for a million Americans, laws so there do not have to be any trials , the Constitution violated utterly even though 9/11 was botched and is no transparently a false flag operation to get US to accept 'Patriot' Acts designed against US citizens to be able to control them under martial law ... [but the government will pretend it is the 'peace-keeper'] ...US sidings are lined with tens of thousands of black stock cars fitted inside with human shackles and tens of thousands of ADS systems are deployed in the USA that were field tested in Iraq causing obscene injuries , heads and arms burned and blown off ... it is no non-lethal system , it can be used at low or high power and has been used to blow bodies apart ... can be used against vehicles and from half a mile away ... fully mobile, humvee-mounted
Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-why do they need tens of thousands of these in USA ? and why do Americans buy up all the ammo they can as soon as it is delivered....?

it's just a small part of what is going on worldwide though... and the clue to what it's about is this otherwise inexplicable connection to neo-Zionism, the belief in the power that will come from Jerusalem in THIS world, in other words the final Antichrist -2Thess 2:4 ... which is why the unearthing of the second temple in Jerusalem currently being undertaken is more than a little significant

As I said elsewhere, I have been shown glimpses of the civil war that will ravage America. Such are one reason why my mom and I moved way out here to the middle of nowhere and live on a farm…Yes, there are all kinds of crazy things going on behind the scenes. Our world teems with maniacs. Bad things are coming. Please, prepare yourself as best you can for what is coming in April of 2014. Its awful developments will affect the entire world, though they will slap America around more than any other nation. From then on, things will deteriorate. That is not to suggest things will not get nasty before then. I suspect that the latter half of 2013 and the first three months of 2014 will be very troublesome….

 

[P1LGR1M]

How is it that you cannot see my response was at your direct request?
Your request was quoted also in my response:



Apparently it is not possible to carry on a normal conversation with you.

That must be it.

God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

God does not even decide who has found the way of Love and is ready to be saved in THIS earth until Jesus returns and VERY FEW do {Matt 7:13-14] the billions are destroyed , all sinning still ... Jesus himself states in scripture of God that he will take none still sinning:-

Luke 13:27 But he [NOTE:Jesus at his return] shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

You confuse salvation with judgment, which is why the doctrine taught is in error.


1 Thessalonians 3:12

King James Version (KJV)


12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:



1 Thessalonians 4:9

King James Version (KJV)


9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Jesus himself states in scripture of God that he will take none still sinning:-

This is another gospel of ancient error. Jesus died for those sinning, and His salvation is COMPLETE, quite unlike the "gospel" taught here.


Consider truth instead:


Romans 5:8-9

King James Version (KJV)


8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


Go and learn what that meaneth.

 

[strangertoo]

You are missing something critical to the debate between the political antagonists, strangertoo, as well as to who runs America. Both issues can be summed up by the fact that Washington, while it has great influence over the lives of those that live here as their actions often impact our lives, does not represent all America, meaning, because their is a Repuplcan President does not mean all Americans are Republican, a Democratic President, that all are Democrats. We can further break this down to the fact that not all "republicans" are conservative, not all "democrats" are liberal. There is a broad spectrum of belief among those that call themselves democrat and republican.

- both Republicans and Democrats are dominated by a neo-Zionist core of the NWO with an explicit written agenda that has nothing to do with either party's image portrayed only in words for their section of USA voters, and as US presidents have remarked, it is European world bankers who govern USA [JFK was killed as soon as he signed the executive order to begin recovering USA for Americans ... America cares not how many of its presidents were killed as soon as they made any move toward taking back power from the Federal Reserve stranglehold by a few private Europeans]

We can go further to say that not all who vote either way are republican or democrat. I usually vote republican because if I do, I help to vote against abortion and normalizing homosexuality. Those are just a couple of key issues for me, because I am a Christian.

If only you knew what was coming...

But what I do not do is get so involved with this process, which is part of the world system, that I transfer my loyalties and efforts to one party or the other.

there are no parties my friend, it is just a front, a pretence at democracy... and Americans do not care in sufficient numbers to restore even the Constitution from the NWO powermongers and their plans for the now-crippled insolvent country

Having said all that, I will attempt to make the point that is at the heart of the issue, for me, anyway: many people that do get caught up with political matters are usually caught up because this is their religion. They have more loyalty to their party than they do for Christ.

the vote for the fake Christ of religion is actually massive in the USA... dunno where you have been living if you don't know that even... Bush Jnr for instance wasn't even elected but he never would have wheedled his way past the post without the evil pressure put on the competition and his capturing the religious crowd of fake divided Christianity of sinners...

More and more people are becoming devotees to this religion, and why not? The god of political power supplies them with provision, represents their values, gives them a central figure to put their trust in.

Jesus revealed that long ago, it's hardly news -Rev 13:3-4

But...and understand this, strangertoo, there is an America that is not caught up in all of this, because they serve the God of Heaven, and are citizens of a better country.

I know well enough my friend that there are a few saints in America who truly follow Jesus amidst vast numbers of Christian sinners and their various divided religions of men ... but I know roughly how many saints there are too, form Jesus figure ... about 20 saints ... that is all that follow the real Christ in all USA... plenty of 'Christian sinners' and their 'sinner priests' but we know who sinners follow I hope :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

I pay my taxes, because this is required of me. But, the government is not such a central figure in my life or the life of my family that I have to be concerned about who is in office overmuch.

actually no-one in USA needs to pay any federal taxes at all , there in no law requiring it ... it is just one of many con-games in US , but the biggest one is the Fed, which is neither federal nor a reserve ,but the mechanism by which European world bankers controlled and control its government as puppets [killing anyone in power who could not be bought, bribed, blackmailed, 'whatever it takes' is their motto] and broke America and stole all its gold for nothing...

But there are some who are dependant upon who is in office because one party "provides" better than the other. Anyone that cannot see that is either lying to themself or flat out lying.

LOLOL... professional liars my friend... and they are good at it ,still they get away with deceiving you, saying one thing , doing another...

My vote cannot be bought with promises of anything. Some people are bought and paid for by a party. And we see this same idolatry on both sides, though I think it is clear that the Democratic Party is far more guilty to catering to special interest groups. But anyone that gets too caught up in it have been caught up in the world system.

the world system is the NWO and it has so much power now that it doesn't even hide its plans any more ... it can buy any fake 'truth it wants and sell it to billions as it owns almost all world media , soon to complete its monopoly because of 'electronic fake money' , unbelievable instant unlimited power to a few private individuals who now own and run everything except a few saints... still not wholly openly though... soon...

As Christians we should not lose perspective of the big picture.

Christian sinners lost the big picture as soon as they joined their local church of sinners instead of learning from God [Heb 8:10-11, John 16:13] as promised by Jesus :-

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

sinners are taught not by God ,but by sinners , books, even the internet LOL?

You have the mistaken idea that the Presidents have control of all Americans. The world politics that are inevitable for our Government have less impact on most Americans than you might think.

Obama got re-elected and all he has done is lie, lie ,lie whilst continuing the NWO agenda apace... no civil war yet, next step try to disarm USA as much as possible ... that's a BIG one , timing as always crucial... then the integration with Mexico and Canada will provide the excuse for using the patriot Acts against Americans to remove all opposition , 'vanish' them, as is now legal , thanks to the botched 9/11 false flag op [now thoroughly exposed as government engineered - as Bin Laden said straight away it had to be, though he'd have loved to have been able to pull it off himself and claim the victory]

Where this gets personal is when we deal with issues of National Security, and so far we have not had to deal with foreign invasion as many countries in the world have. We have not had groups committing acts of terrorism on a daily basis so that our lives revolve around that issue. We have much crime in this country which could be lessened if laws were more severe, but the legal system is as about as complicated as the political system.

the enemy of USA is the Fed and has been for 99 years .... USA lost that silent war by a con-game , only three senators voted for the Fed, all bribed ... but there was no-one else there to challenge the vote on basis of quorum deficiency... so three traitors within sold USA to world bankers for a pittance... it only took a century to bring USA to her knees ... cost: peanuts... profit: immeasurable , world power , one huge step toward the NWO

However, their are still good people in this country. I was amazed when going to a meeting in a local county the other day and the meeting was opened up in prayer. This was local government, mind you, and it was encouraging to be part of this and know that there is still a modicum of reverence and acknowledgement of God in this country.

20 or so saints , and none of them even wants to stop Satan controlling the world for Jesus has said it MUST happen and why it must happen before he can return...

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

So to think that European countries run my part of America, you are mistaken. They may make life more difficult, and I may pay more for certain items, but my America exists free of their control.

so indeed they would like to have you believe... and oh how terrible when it is finally proven false to all Americans.... but then few Americans know USA has more debt than all the rest of the world put together and cannot even begin to pay even the interest on it, nor ever will be able to ... as soon as China [and India now] wishes to stop paying USA interest for free then USA is dead, as it is a private company and the only ones able to by it up when it goes broke are the world bankers ... so that is who will own USA soon enough, a few European bankers, likely Goldman Sachs who bought and groomed Obama... Goldman a Jewish name you know ...

I too think Obama is a "manchurian candidate." I do think there are people pulling strings, not just for him, but in many positions in not only our government, but in all of them.

Every major world government has a core neo-Zionist group who run things mostly still from behind closed doors , the bible even details their source and predicts their penetration of every government worldwide toward Rev 13:3-4 established in a time of world crisis like the coming fall of capitalism when one man finally legally owns the world with every other human being legally in debt to him... and he is not God, as he claims [2Thess 2:4] but Satan as a man [Ezek 28,Isaiah 14] and after three and a half years power he will be killed at Jesus' return, God's way of showing him that he is not God....

However, that does not mean that there are no good politicians, that there are no people involved in the process that make a difference...there are. The higher the position, the more politics. It is as simple as that. For the Presidency, I believe that all Presidents get into office and there are boundaries established by the very politics that have been in place for years.

yes, many saints and some more honest men die because they get in the way of power-mongers.... but God only requires 144,000 saints perfected in Love from this earth and cares not if they are dead by time Jesus returns...
all the rest are gonna die anyway [Matt 7:13] and not live again until the end of the Millennium

 

[strangertoo]

Since you think that America is run by european bankers, then you can start spreading the word that they are responsible for the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, et cetera.

bankers are responsible for almost all wars , all world wars too... nobody can wage war without a world banker financing it any more , has ben so for a long time now , and his only interest is profit and power...

But, what the european bankers have not orchestrated are the individual acts of courage and bravery which are performed by Americans every day, despite Washington.

YO ! ... and if only they listened to Jesus and Loved even their enemies and resisted not evil then they too could be Christian saints... but no...they won't

No, strangertoo, it does not. It resides in the soldier that fights for his country, because he wants those he loves to be safe, because he sees injustice in the actions of a dictator, because he loves his country and does not want it to be like other countries around the world.

LOLOL ... wars are fought for bankers' power and profits my friend, but you will never see them being foolish enough to point a gun at anyone... absurd my friend, did you never hear what Jesus said , turn the other cheek, no fighting, no resisting evil with evil... let it destroy itself lest you become evil by hating your enemies ,not Loving them ... propaganda of bankers is that armies are the last means of control of men, God and Jesus say Love is the greater forvce because all men respect Love, feel deep shame at all unlovingness, sin... did you never read the scripture about LOVE ????

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

It resides in the Police Officer, that believes in Law and Justice, and that people have a right to live free from fear.

the police too believe in abuse as the way to get men to break and confess.... monstrous abuse even before they listen to one's story , the innocent abused with the guilty and abuse is NOT Love...not Jesus' way at all, the very opposite, Satan's way...

It resides in the heart of the Fireman, the rescue worker, the nurse.

all men know their spirit of God, Truth of Love, Adam acquired it for us all ,conscience, heart of Love ... but almost all men deny it, beome sinners a million different ways hiding from being sants following Jesus to follow Satan in sis of all kinds possible...

The American spirit, when it shines, represents the very opposite of the spirit that has slowly been creeping into the hearts of Americans everywhere, which is a spirit of self, with no concerns for anyone but...me. It's motto is "gimme gimme," and it's logo a hand out, ready to receive.

America once had vastly more per capita than any other nation... did it share with the poor to make everyone equally well off... no!... sadly no-one has much sympathy now Americans are the poorest people in the world...
human beings have very few discovered the Truth of Jesus [Matt 7:14] and the many really will die for that [Matt 7:13]

"Ask not what I can do for my country, just gimme what's rightfully mine, though I have not earned it."

look at it on a world scale and you may see why almost all countries hate USA for its affluence behind a gun... no sharing, no co-operation, only 'gunboat diplomacy' ... so many bitter enemies through greed and exploitation of the poor worldwide... and yes , if they were saints they would not hate , but few are saints in this world and the world mostly does hate USA for its greed and bullying ...and pleading that Americans are really saints, it just ain't true in this earth, Jesus' witness on that ...

I have in my heritage American Indian, as many in this country do.

I have many NDN friends and a given name and Love much in their ways as 'human beings' who are still being lied to by the 'whites' , still breaking treaties ... they do not like to be called 'American Indians' my friend... they are neither American, nor Indian... never were , never will be , but what is most singular is the Love of all men which some keep even today, having been beaten, destroyed, betrayed, lied to, murdered, dispossessed over and over, conned ... I can only weep. I have not the words...

I was not a part of the events in the early years of this country, and I seriously question the theology of many Fouunding Fathers

well that is unsurprising I guess...

but...doctrinal flawlessness is not a requirement for being a Christian, only faith in Christ.

LOLOL ... one day you will realise Jesus' command to Love is a rod of iron, unbendable and flawless ... there can be noblemish ofsin in the sacrifice of saints [one main reason there are so few - Matt 7:14] ... that the wages of ALL sin really is death as a sinner, not salvation... so you should read the scripture in full sometime :-

Ezek 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

it really is seriously unwise to learn religion off sinners, they CANNOT know Jesus or God at all :-

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

sin really is the opposite of Love that Jesus and God command ... one can fool sinners and even oneself, but one cannot fool God or saints or Jesus...

Jesus kingdom is him RULING as KING by LAW of Love , sinners get a swift second death there, he CANNOT take any that are sinning to be kings and priests , obviously :-

Luke 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

What can one say, all sinners are liars to themselves and others , to their own spirit, conscience heart of Love, mind... :-

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
...
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

We see that faith expressed in many ways, and the spectrum of knowledge is as vast as any other group, it's adherents ranging from ignorant to informed. But it comes back to faith, and Who it is placed in.

most folks show faith in sin... they sin because they think it's a better life that way... God says they are mistaken, but few stop sinning in THIS life but those few only do so mostly BECAUSE Jesus showedman that we can live and be very happy from inside being LOVE, no sin... no need to sin, every reason not to choose any sin...

faith in God is faith in Love... but it is no faith at all unless one does Love... it's no use to anyone to say they Love if they don't Love but sin... it is just a lie , maybe a lie to oneself, but still a lie...

James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
...
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
...
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
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James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

A little anti-American sentiment, strangertoo?

I am not anti anyone... God even uses the works of Satan to do good in the end ... but neither do I not God condone sin, it is not condoning it to see it is there and use it for good in the end...

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

so I don't regard anyone as my enemy, but there are folks who regard me as THEIR enemy... I think Love is the strongest weapon by far, as the bible says mightier than an army of 200 million ...I believe we shall all see that eventually , but not in this world....

I too have a certain amount of anti-American sentiment, but it is not directed at the people of this country, but at the evil spirits that seek to destroy those people, who have no idea of the powers behind the props they obseerve. It is no different than my hatred for Satan and the work he performs in the lives of people.

well , your mistake then I guess, Satan will become piteous in the end once God breaks him using only Love... the bible details how it's done in stages... a good read by any measure , a lively tale to say the least, well worth your time whereas all the sinners you read are not worth the paper they're printed on as far as salvation and Truth is concerned...

But we have to have that sentiment directed at the responsible parties, those who are truly "behind the scenes."

I think you must know Jesus would not agree with you ... neither would I... evil destroys itself, no-one who gets involved will be free of sin themselves in doing so... God has set how it will end at every stage... be SURE then Love conquers all hearts in the end for the good of all, the TOTAL glorying of all creation in its God of love... dunno how you missed the punchline, but I wouldn't want tospoil the book for you when you get around to reading the whole thing asone Truth of God about how it surely will be... no contest

 

[dollarsbill]

God does not even decide who has found the way of Love and is ready to be saved in THIS earth until Jesus returns and VERY FEW do {Matt 7:13-14] the billions are destroyed , all sinning still ... Jesus himself states in scripture of God that he will take none still sinning:-

Luke 13:27 But he [NOTE:Jesus at his return] shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

God is going to destroy "billions" and yet save everyone? You are extremely inconsistent.

 

[strangertoo]

God is going to destroy "billions" and yet save everyone? You are extremely inconsistent.

I suggest that you read the bible and fid out that it is God who says that the MANY of this earth are destroyed [Matt 7:13] and few find the way now {Matt 7:14] [so no mass religions at all] and YET countless many are later saved [Rev 7:9-10]

it is written by God for you to read, I did not write it ... you are accusing God of inconsistency , not me... and all it really is is your refusal to overcome what sinners taught you... sinners do not know, so why do you listen to them instead of to God ?

1 John 3:6 whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

 

[P1LGR1M]

I suggest that you read the bible and fid out that it is God who says that the MANY of this earth are destroyed [Matt 7:13] and few find the way now {Matt 7:14] [so no mass religions at all] and YET countless many are later saved [Rev 7:9-10]

it is written by God for you to read, I did not write it ... you are accusing God of inconsistency , not me... and all it really is is your refusal to overcome what sinners taught you... sinners do not know, so why do you listen to them instead of to God ?

1 John 3:6 whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Lets see how the word of God is added to:

I suggest that you read the bible and fid out that it is God who says that the MANY of this earth are destroyed [Matt 7:13] and few find the way now {Matt 7:14]

Is that what the Lord said?


Matthew 7:14

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


14 how strait [is] the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!



Nope...no "now" in the text.

[so no mass religions at all] and YET countless many are later saved [Rev 7:9-10]

Revelation 7

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)



9 After these things I saw, and lo, a great multitude, which to number no one was able, out of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne, and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands,

10 and crying with a great voice, saying, `The salvation [is] to Him who is sitting upon the throne -- to our God, and to the Lamb!'



Does it say this is all of humanity? Nope, nowhere in the text. It says "out of" not ALL.

In fact, the text tells us specificly who these are:




11 And all the messengers stood around the throne, and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their face, and bowed before God,

12 saying, `Amen! the blessing, and the glory, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the honour, and the power, and the strength, [are] to our God -- to the ages of the ages! Amen!'

13 And answer did one of the elders, saying to me, `These, who have been arrayed with the white robes -- who are they, and whence came they?'

14 and I have said to him, `Sir, thou hast known;' and he said to me, `These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb;


Seems to me that these are they that have trusted in Christ, and specificly they which come out of the great tribulation.


Revelation 6:9-11

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony that they held,

10 and they were crying with a great voice, saying, `Till when, O Master, the Holy and the True, dost Thou not judge and take vengeance of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'

11 and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are about to be killed -- even as they.



As has been pointed out on more occasions than I can remember, lol, if one fails to distinguish between Tribulational and Millennial events they will end up teaching a theology such as espoused here,

it is written by God for you to read, I did not write it ... you are accusing God of inconsistency , not me... and all it really is is your refusal to overcome what sinners taught you... sinners do not know, so why do you listen to them instead of to God ?

The problem is that God did not "write" what is espoused...

This is the result of adding and taking away, or, ignoring part of it and making up what one wants to see there.

God bless.

 

[strangertoo]

Lets see how the word of God is added to:

Is that what the Lord said?
Matthew 7:14(YLT)
how strait [is] the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Nope...no "now" in the text.

I never said it was literally 'now' as a written word in the text, but if you read the previous verse you will see that the MANY are DESTROYED [Matt 7:13] so it obviously is now [meaning in this earth before its destruction in the wrath of God and the billions of this earth die]

Revelation 7 (YLT)
9 After these things I saw, and lo, a great multitude, which to number no one was able, out of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne, and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands,

10 and crying with a great voice, saying, `The salvation [is] to Him who is sitting upon the throne -- to our God, and to the Lamb!'

Does it say this is all of humanity? Nope, nowhere in the text. It says "out of" not ALL.

I have never suggested that the countless many are all of humanity or even that they are all of humanity bar the few ... as you well know from my other posts , if not from scripture, there are many that sin in the new earth following Satan and God destroys them to keep them out of corrupting the purity of Love in Jesus' kingdom ... their salvation is through the final baptism of fire later in the lake where further [third] death is denied after they are freed of sin, yet again, by the second death [Rome 6:7]

In fact, the text tells us specificly who these are:

11 And all the messengers stood around the throne, and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell upon their face, and bowed before God,

12 saying, `Amen! the blessing, and the glory, and the wisdom, and the thanksgiving, and the honour, and the power, and the strength, [are] to our God -- to the ages of the ages! Amen!'

13 And answer did one of the elders, saying to me, `These, who have been arrayed with the white robes -- who are they, and whence came they?'

14 and I have said to him, `Sir, thou hast known;' and he said to me, `These are those who are coming out of the great tribulation, and they did wash their robes, and they made their robes white in the blood of the Lamb;


Seems to me that these are they that have trusted in Christ, and specificly they which come out of the great tribulation.


Revelation 6:9-11

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony that they held,

10 and they were crying with a great voice, saying, `Till when, O Master, the Holy and the True, dost Thou not judge and take vengeance of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'

11 and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are about to be killed -- even as they.

Yes indeed they accept Love , accept Jesus, accept God , in the new earth kingdom and are saved by works [Rev 20:13] , unlike the few who are saved by grace in this earth to be only the kings and priests of the kingdom.... but as you see at last, they are gentiles, and the new covenant is only with those whose fathers broke the old covenant, not with the masses of the gentiles [Heb 8:8-12, Jer 31:31-34] ... so PLEASE read the new covenant as it RESOLVES this mistake you keep making...

As has been pointed out on more occasions that I can remember, lol, if one fails to distinguish between Tribulational and Millennial events they will end up teaching a false theology instead of one consistent with the whole scripture of God which MUST be ONE Truth... READ the new covenant and LEARN from God what it says :-

Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers...

the fathers of ALL the FEW under grace are of ancient Israel's two nations , it identifies specifically ancient Israel many ways :-

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

this is VERY SPECIFICALLY not some invented pretend 'spiritual Israel' never mentioned in scripture but created by mass religion of sinner gentiles ...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil


as you say ...The problem is that God did not "write" what is espoused... but it is your espousal that is inconsistent even with the new covenant, let alone with much other scripture.... there is one ONE Truth of God consistent with every word of scripture [ those remaining which have not been mangled by sinners under Satan... ]

This is the result of adding and taking away, or, ignoring part of it and making up what one wants to see there...

a pity you do not apply the vigour to your own beliefs first, then you would see that God is right and the sinners you believe have deluded you even about what is written in the scripture before your very eyes... you are simply underestimating Satan's powers of deception and your loyalty to sinners which is praiseworthy for its Love but mistaken in its conclusions and so you do not yet see the sad consequences...

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

the wise listen to the new covenant, sinners have invented their own versions in divided mass religion of sinners , DIVIDED BY 'Theology' of sinners which thus does not yield ONE Truth because it refuses to look at and evaluate justly ALL scripture of ONE God ...here is the discussion thread :-

http://www.christianforums.com/t7700811/

Proverbs 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

 

[P1LGR1M]

I never said it was literally 'now' as a written word in the text, but if you read the previous verse you will see that the MANY are DESTROYED [Matt 7:13] so it obviously is now [meaning in this earth before its destruction in the wrath of God and the billions of this earth die]
I have never suggested that the countless many are all of humanity or even that they are all of humanity bar the few ... as you well know from my other posts , if not from scripture, there are many that sin in the new earth following Satan and God destroys them to keep them out of corrupting the purity of Love in Jesus' kingdom ... their salvation is through the final baptism of fire later in the lake where further [third] death is denied after they are freed of sin, yet again, by the second death [Rome 6:7]

Yes indeed they accept Love , accept Jesus, accept God , in the new earth kingdom and are saved by works [Rev 20:13] , unlike the few who are saved by grace in this earth to be only the kings and priests of the kingdom.... but as you see at last, they are gentiles, and the new covenant is only with those whose fathers broke the old covenant, not with the masses of the gentiles [Heb 8:8-12, Jer 31:31-34] ... so PLEASE read the new covenant as it RESOLVES this mistake you keep making...

As has been pointed out on more occasions that I can remember, lol, if one fails to distinguish between Tribulational and Millennial events they will end up teaching a false theology instead of one consistent with the whole scripture of God which MUST be ONE Truth... READ the new covenant and LEARN from God what it says :-

Hebrews 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers...

the fathers of ALL the FEW under grace are of ancient Israel's two nations , it identifies specifically ancient Israel many ways :-

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

this is VERY SPECIFICALLY not some invented pretend 'spiritual Israel' never mentioned in scripture but created by mass religion of sinner gentiles ...

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil


as you say ...The problem is that God did not "write" what is espoused... but it is your espousal that is inconsistent even with the new covenant, let alone with much other scripture.... there is one ONE Truth of God consistent with every word of scripture [ those remaining which have not been mangled by sinners under Satan... ]

This is the result of adding and taking away, or, ignoring part of it and making up what one wants to see there...

a pity you do not apply the vigour to your own beliefs first, then you would see that God is right and the sinners you believe have deluded you even about what is written in the scripture before your very eyes... you are simply underestimating Satan's powers of deception and your loyalty to sinners which is praiseworthy for its Love but mistaken in its conclusions and so you do not yet see the sad consequences...

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

the wise listen to the new covenant, sinners have invented their own versions in divided mass religion of sinners , DIVIDED BY 'Theology' of sinners which thus does not yield ONE Truth because it refuses to look at and evaluate justly ALL scripture of ONE God ...here is the discussion thread :-

http://www.christianforums.com/t7700811/

Proverbs 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

Do me a favor, and go back and consider the evolution of the theology espoused.

Is it being suggested that Christian Universalism was not a foundational aspect of the teaching given?

My post stands, and what was addressed cannot be edited or explained away. Adding and taking away was committed, and it is there for the public to judge. Yes, that's right...judge.

This is how we test the spirits of those that would presume to teach the Body of Christ. If we presume to teach, we should also be ready to be judged.

Right?

God bless.

 

[dollarsbill]

I suggest that you read the bible and fid out that it is God who says that the MANY of this earth are destroyed [Matt 7:13] and few find the way now {Matt 7:14] [so no mass religions at all] and YET countless many are later saved [Rev 7:9-10]

Which Bible? None of our English Bibles promise salvation to everyone.

it is written by God for you to read, I did not write it ... you are accusing God of inconsistency , not me... and all it really is is your refusal to overcome what sinners taught you... sinners do not know, so why do you listen to them instead of to God ?

1 John 3:6 whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

How is that not a lie??? I accused YOU of being inconsistent. Not God. Oh, I forgot that you have told us that you never sin.