Love codified in the Ten Commandments

[Hentenza]

Regarding the 4th commandment, it is not just the commandment for the Sabbath, it’s actually the commandment how to keep all days. Exo 20:8-11. There is only one weekly holy convocation in Scripture Lev 23:3 the one that Jesus kept Luke4:16, the same one the apostles kept Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts18:4 and the one that continues for eternity Isa 66:22-23. God is consistent and changes not.

And yet He gave us a new covenant. Go figure.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And yet He gave us a new covenant. Go figure.

Yes, established on better promises Heb8:6 because God keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:17-30 Isa 42:21

 

[Delvianna]

You tell me. Which commandments are those. The tablets of stone were not given for another 430 years. The commandments that God gave Abraham related to circumcision not to the Jewish law.

I already did... 10 commandments. As I stated, it was given to Abraham, that Moses then put and wrote down. The rules are the same. It literally comes down to this... I don't need to "prove" anything. At the end of the day, everyone accounts for their life. I'm simply choosing to accept that God's moral laws are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow which is how we know what laws we continually break. Romans is a good argument for this. You keep going back to 613 rules when I keep stating 10 commandments. It's like you're choosing to ignore what I keep saying and just repeating your stance instead. So it seems like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing since you aren't listening and I keep having to re-iterate the same things...

Good day to you.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I already did... 10 commandments. As I stated, it was given to Abraham, that Moses then put and wrote down. The rules are the same. It literally comes down to this... I don't need to "prove" anything. At the end of the day, everyone accounts for their life. I'm simply choosing to accept that God's moral laws are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow which is how we know what laws we continually break. Romans is a good argument for this. You keep going back to 613 rules when I keep stating 10 commandments. It's like you're choosing to ignore what I keep saying and just repeating your stance instead. So it seems like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing since you aren't listening and I keep having to re-iterate the same things...

Good day to you.

Nice! I like the idea of keeping the ten commandments. I have done it perfectly all my life.

 

[Hentenza]

I already did... 10 commandments. As I stated, it was given to Abraham, that Moses then put and wrote down.

Please post a verse that says that the Ten Commandments were given to Abraham. Moses did not write them down, God did on tablets of stone on Mt. Sanai which is 430 years after Abraham. Moses wrote the Torah under God’s inspiration.

The rules are the same. It literally comes down to this... I don't need to "prove" anything. At the end of the day, everyone accounts for their life. I'm simply choosing to accept that God's moral laws are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow which is how we know what laws we continually break. Romans is a good argument for this. You keep going back to 613 rules when I keep stating 10 commandments. It's like you're choosing to ignore what I keep saying and just repeating your stance instead. So it seems like you just want to argue for the sake of arguing since you aren't listening and I keep having to re-iterate the same things...

I’m not ignoring what you say but merely correcting it. The Jewish law included the Ten Commandments. Ask any Jew.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

 

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Please post a verse that says that the Ten Commandments were given to Abraham. Moses did not write them down, God did on tablets of stone on Mt. Sanai which is 430 years after Abraham. Moses wrote the Torah under God’s inspiration.

I’m not ignoring what you say but merely correcting it. The Jewish law included the Ten Commandments. Ask any Jew.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

This is a wonderful example of religious dissociation. It has been recognized since the very beginning of the church that the Law is only marginally related to the New Covenant, having been put to death on the cross. Paul railed against legalism and the letter to the Hebrews goes to great lengths to explain this. However, human nature being what it is, seems to require a simplistic system of works which satisfy God, leaving the person feeling smug and self-justified. Thus, it came about that some folks decided to home in on ten of the commandments, all of which are open to a very wide range of interpretations. Taken narrowly, however, it is a very easy thing to believe that one is completely obeying them.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a wonderful example of religious dissociation. It has been recognized since the very beginning of the church that the Law is only marginally related to the New Covenant, having been put to death on the cross. Paul railed against legalism and the letter to the Hebrews goes to great lengths to explain this. However, human nature being what it is, seems to require a simplistic system of works which satisfy God, leaving the person feeling smug and self-justified. Thus, it came about that some folks decided to home in on ten of the commandments, all of which are open to a very wide range of interpretations. Taken narrowly, however, it is a very easy thing to believe that one is completely obeying them.

Any Bible Scripture you want to add where we are not to obey God or His commandments? Jesus condemned this very teaching. Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat5:19-30 Mat19:17-19 John14:15-18.

Jesus was addressing the inward issue of a harden heart, which is not subject to the law of God Rom8:7-8. If the heart is changed- from anger to compassion, thou shalt not murder is kept. This is what He came to do to magnify His laws and make greater Isa 42:21, not make lessor. Not that we can now commit murder and break God's law, but not have anger in our heart, Its nonsensical. Both work hand in hard, If the inward is fixed, the outward would be shown through our actions and all of God's commandments would be kept.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

According to God, this is what His commandments consist of and no more was added. 613 is not a number one will find in Scripture and sad it gets elevated over the Biblical one God said to define His commandments. Moses is not God.

Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

Even Moses refused to take credit for them and he was there.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.

The law of Moses, written by Moses was a separate agreement.

Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides the covenant which He made with them in Horeb.

God in His own words tells us in the Ten Commandments when they started, There is only one creation event, not two.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Why we see the principles of the Ten Commandments prior to them being codified as demonstrated in the OP. And them being a comamndment before being codified according to God. Exo16:26-28

 

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Any Bible Scripture you want to add where we are not to obey God or His commandments? Jesus condemned this very teaching. Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat5:19-30 Mat19:17-19 John14:15-18.

Jesus was addressing the inward issue of a harden heart, which is not subject to the law of God Rom8:7-8. If the heart is changed- from anger to compassion, thou shalt not murder is kept. This is what He came to do to magnify His laws and make greater Isa 42:21, not make lessor. Not that we can now commit murder and break God's law, but not have anger in our heart, Its nonsensical. Both work hand in hard, If the inward is fixed, the outward would be shown through our actions and all of God's commandments would be kept.

What you actually think of all of God's commandments, not only ten of them?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What you actually think of all of God's commandments, not only ten of them?

The Ten Commandments consist of just that according to God Exo34:28 Deut4:13 God gave Moses a separate set of laws that were written by Moses placed besides God's covenant of Ten, there as a witness again Deut31:24-26

Only the Ten Commandments/God's Testimony sits under the mercy seat of God Exo20:6 Exo 25:21

One set of laws describes what sin is when breaking, the other set was added as a prescription for sin. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments they way Jesus explained Mat5:19-30 as they are exceeding broad Psa 119:96 there would be no more sin in the world. Just peace Isa48:18

 

[Hentenza]

According to God, this is what His commandments consist of and no more was added. 613 is not a number one will find in Scripture and sad it gets elevated over the Biblical one God said to define His commandments. Moses is not God.

All 613 laws of the Jewish law including the 10 commandments with verse numbers so you can find each one in scripture.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

 

[bbbbbbb]

The Ten Commandments consist of just that according to God Exo34:28 Deut4:13 God gave Moses a separate set of laws that were written by Moses placed besides God's covenant of Ten, there as a witness again Deut31:24-26

Only the Ten Commandments/God's Testimony sits under the mercy seat of God Exo20:6 Exo 25:21

One set of laws describes what sin is when breaking, the other set was added as a prescription for sin. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments they way Jesus explained Mat5:19-30 as they are exceeding broad Psa 119:96 there would be no more sin in the world. Just peace Isa48:18

Thank you for clarifying the issue for me. I now understand that you do not have any serious regard for God's commandments, other than ten which your church selectively removed from the Old Testament.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you for clarifying the issue for me. I now understand that you do not have any serious regard for God's commandments, other than ten which your church selectively removed from the Old Testament.

Your words, not mine.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

All 613 laws of the Jewish law including the 10 commandments with verse numbers so you can find each one in scripture.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

Find the number 613 in the Bible. This doesn't change what God said in His own words consisted of His commandments, the Biblical number He gave of Ten Deut4:13 Exo 34:28 that He said He added no more to Deut 5:22. When does man know better than God's own written and spoken Testimony. Exo31:18

This argument is with a much greater authority than either of us and guess will get sorted out soon enough.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Your words, not mine.

So, please reiterate your relationship to all of God's commandments.

 

[Hentenza]

Find the number 613 in the Bible.

I don’t have to. I gave you where they are located in the Bible so you could find them.
Are you saying that they are NOT in the Bible?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don’t have to. I gave you where they are located in the Bible so you could find them.
Are you saying that they are NOT in the Bible?

If God wanted that number there He would of added it, why no one will find the number 613 in the Bible.

Elevating a non-Biblical number over a Biblical one and trying to add on to it when God said He didn't Deut5:22, will have to be taken up with the Author Exo31:18 who happens to be the King and God of the Universe. He told us the Biblical number He gave to His commandments Deut4:13 Exo 34:28 like anything we can have faith to believe Him or not.

 

[Delvianna]

There are three sets of laws.
1) The 10 commandments, Gods moral laws
2) Ceremonial Law that deals with attonement for breaking the moral laws which was symbolically pointing to Christ and what Jesus fulfilled as he atoned for our sins.
3) Civic law that pertained to how the country of Israel was going to run since at that time it was a theocracy and God was the ruler.

The ONLY laws that still pertain to us apart from 2 new commandments Jesus instituted (communion and baptism) is the 10 commandments. This is a theological study which incorporates understanding how the laws are divided up in the old testament, and how they are referred to in the new testament, and why Jesus still calls us to repentance that is still all throughout the book of Revelation.

From this, you can argue or debate, but your arguement is with God. You dont want to be even open to the idea and just want to argue your stance, then I have no more to say. If you're honest and are interested, then I'll take the time to point you in the right direction. But I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing. It's a waste of my time.

 

[Hentenza]

If God wanted that number there He would have added it, why no one will find the number 613 in the Bible.

Again, I posted a link that shows you where in scripture all 613 laws of the Mosaic law including the 10 commandments are located. If you refuse to look at it that is your fault not mine.

A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

A list of the 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding on Jews.

www.jewfaq.org

 

[Hentenza]

There are three sets of laws.
1) The 10 commandments, Gods moral laws
2) Ceremonial Law that deals with attonement for breaking the moral laws which was symbolically pointing to Christ and what Jesus fulfilled as he atoned for our sins.
3) Civic law that pertained to how the country of Israel was going to run since at that time it was a theocracy and God was the ruler.

The ONLY laws that still pertain to us apart from 2 new commandments Jesus instituted (communion and baptism) is the 10 commandments. This is a theological study which incorporates understanding how the laws are divided up in the old testament, and how they are referred to in the new testament, and why Jesus still calls us to repentance that is still all throughout the book of Revelation.

From this, you can argue or debate, but your arguement is with God. You dont want to be even open to the idea and just want to argue your stance, then I have no more to say. If you're honest and are interested, then I'll take the time to point you in the right direction. But I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing. It's a waste of my time.

So post a verse post crucifixion that requires the Christian to follow the 4th commandment. All other 9 commandments are summarized in Jesus two love commandments except for the 4th commandment. How then do you justify your belief?