Love and Self control

[freeindeed2]

What you claim isn't what you've produced - in the vast majority of your posts you contradict Scripture with more violence than I see from most other members. And, no, I don't merely deny or accuse you of doing this, but rather I have documented how you have done so. Using Scripture that you haven't responded to, by the way.

Because you call God a liar when you claim His created law was eternal, and He gave us the means to document the time it began and the time it ended.

False.
I say God will write His law into us, that isn't according to Sinai. You claim that God is a liar, and has resorted to the former covenant He already identified as broken and faulty.

False.
I claim that we already abide by the commandments of God, while you have replaced the commandments of God with the first covenant that He took away.

False.
Again you have replaced the commandments of God with the first covenant that He has called obsolete.

That's because there isn't any such thing, and you can't document it.

No.
I wrote about my motivation to you earlier:

When I find the unBiblical posts you write, I respond in character in order to invoke the learning curve you have neglected to nurture. It would seem that you have no interest in learning anything, because your security blanket may get taken away and you might just be compelled to become a Christian.

The truth is contained in that Bible you claim has the truth, but as Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 3:14 concerning unsaved Israel:

Their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ

Adventism's mission statement seeks to vindicate the first covenant, the ten commandments.
This is why you haven't been taught what the new covenant is.

I would echo your post EXACTLY.

In Christ alone...

 

[k4c]

Let me ask both of you (Freeindeed, VictorC) a question. Do you believe it's okay to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other Gods, forget the Sabbath and so on?

 

[VictorC]

Let me ask both of you (Freeindeed, VictorC) a question. Do you believe it's okay to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other Gods, forget the Sabbath and so on?

Funny how that sabbath thing came up.
Do you consider it an infraction of the law when you fail to comply with the sabbath?

 

[k4c]

Funny how that sabbath thing came up.
Do you consider it an infraction of the law when you fail to comply with the sabbath?

You've just earned five...

Now where's your friend, freeindeed?

 

[VictorC]

You've just earned five...

You're really into self-inflicted flagellation, aren't you?

 

[k4c]

You're really into self-inflicted flagellation, aren't you?

It's better than trying to get an answer out of someone who has no answer.

 

[freeindeed2]

Let me ask both of you (Freeindeed, VictorC) a question. Do you believe it's okay to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other Gods, forget the Sabbath and so on?

Right here, good buddy!

Which 'Sabbath' are you talking about? The one commanded to Israel as the sign of the old covenant (which they didn't keep), or the 2010 SDA version that involves church attendance (even though the church didn't exist when it was established with Israel at Sanai)?

In Christ alone...

 

[VictorC]

It's better than trying to get an answer out of someone who has no answer.

The last volley of discussion has me asking the questions, to which you have employed your typical defense mechanism of avoidance.

 

[freeindeed2]

It's better than trying to get an answer out of someone who has no answer.

k4c, you are the master evader. I can't keep track of all the times you've dodged direct scripture and questions posed within just a couple of threads here.

 

[k4c]

Right here, good buddy!

Which 'Sabbath' are you talking about? The one commanded to Israel as the sign of the old covenant (which they didn't keep), or the 2010 SDA version that involves church attendance (even though the church didn't exist when it was established with Israel at Sanai)?

In Christ alone...

I'm talking about the commandments that God wrote with His own finger, which includes this Sabbath.

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for Yahweh.

So now once again...Do you believe it's okay to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other Gods, forget the Sabbath and so on?

 

[VictorC]

I'm talking about the commandments that God wrote with His own finger, which includes this Sabbath.

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for Yahweh.

So now once again...Do you believe it's okay to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other Gods, forget the Sabbath and so on?

How can we forget a sabbath we were never instructed to remember?
Can't you tell something is terribly wrong when you have to refer to the first covenant, which ordained the sabbath as a sign of that covenant between God and the children of Israel exclusively?

 

[k4c]

How can we forget a sabbath we were never instructed to remember?
Can't you tell something is terribly wrong when you have to refer to the first covenant, which ordained the sabbath as a sign of that covenant between God and the children of Israel exclusively?

So is your answer yes or no?

My finger is on the trigger for another forehead smack.

 

[k4c]

Well, where are my little lawless ones?

 

[VictorC]

So is your answer yes or no?

Obviously, it isn't a sin to ignore the sabbath - but it would be a grevious sin of perilous magnitude if we were to leave God's permanent rest to return to it:

Hebrews 10
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

God's rest, that we have entered into, is inherently seven times superior to the former sabbath you claim adherance to.

A rendition of the sabbath that is not compliant with the law that ordained it, I might add. You haven't kept a single sabbath day holy according to the law, as you don't even have access to the Levitical priesthood God abolished (along with the sabbath itself) when He declared "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them ”, which are offered according to the law".

My finger is on the trigger for another forehead smack.

Just beat it, beat it, beat it.....
But it ain't discussion.

 

[VictorC]

Well, where are my little lawless ones?

You do realize this refers to yourself, don't you?

 

[k4c]

Obviously, it isn't a sin to ignore the sabbath - but it would be a grevious sin of perilous magnitude if we were to leave God's permanent rest to return to it:

Exodus 20:8-10 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

So what shall I tell my sons, daughters, male and female servants, working animals and the stranger within my gate? Do you think my Ox will enter into some spiritual rest?

God calls us to remember to keep the seventh day holy by ceasing from labor because He made the day holy. You're telling I have to tell my sons, daughters, male and female servants, working animals and the stranger within my gate to cease labor every day or they will be violating the fourth commandment?

Talk about bondage to a man made law.

God is very very clear...

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for Yahweh.

If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and Jesus is your Lord then His day should be your day.

 

[k4c]

You do realize this refers to yourself, don't you?

I'm rubber and your glue what you say bounces off of me and sticks to you...

 

[k4c]

Now let me try again.

Let me ask both of you (Freeindeed, VictorC) a question. Do you believe it's okay to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other Gods, forget the Sabbath and so on?

 

[VictorC]

Exodus 20:8-10 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

So what shall I tell my sons, daughters, male and female servants, working animals and the stranger within my gate? Do you think my Ox will enter into some spiritual rest?

God calls us to remember to keep the seventh day holy by ceasing from labor because He made the day holy. You're telling I have to tell my sons, daughters, male and female servants, working animals and the stranger within my gate to cease labor every day or they will be violating the fourth commandment?

Talk about bondage to a man made law.

God is very very clear...

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for Yahweh.

If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and Jesus is your Lord then His day should be your day.

Two observations I make from your post:

• You have rejected God's rest to return to the sabbath, and have rejected the new covenant.
• You failed completely to show us where we have ever been instructed to remember the sabbath we -as Gentiles- never received.

 

[k4c]

Two observations I make from your post:

• You have rejected God's rest to return to the sabbath, and have rejected the new covenant.
• You failed completely to show us where we have ever been instructed to remember the sabbath we -as Gentiles- never received.

Your observations tell me you need glasses.

As far as the Gentiles and the Sabbath goes.

Isaiah 56:6 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, and are his servants and don't desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises,

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Praise God almost the whole city came out for the Sabbath...and this was years after Jesus' resurrection.

And this continued for a years and six months before he left for his next mission. That's a lot of Sabbaths.

Acts 18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

Now let me try again.

Let me ask both of you (Freeindeed, VictorC) a question. Do you believe it's okay to lie, steal, murder, commit adultery, worship other Gods, forget the Sabbath and so on?