Love and Self control

[VictorC]

The Sabbath ended by man through violence and persecution, not through God.

In another episode you blasphemed God by ascribing His actions to satan - and in this episode you ascribe His actions to mankind. Neither one is compliant with Scripture. Consider this short excerpt from Hebrews 10:9:

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

It is time to leave the myth and fables of the "prophet", and learn what Holy Writ describes as the genuine Gospel.

 

[k4c]

In another episode you blasphemed God by ascribing His actions to satan - and in this episode you ascribe His actions to mankind. Neither one is compliant with Scripture. Consider this short excerpt from Hebrews 10:9:

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.


And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

It is time to leave the myth and fables of the "prophet", and learn what Holy Writ describes as the genuine Gospel.

The old is do or die. Under the old if you broke a commandment you were to be put to death. Not so under the new because of the grace of God. But does the grace of God now allow us to break them?

Do you believe we are allowed to break the commandments?

 

[VictorC]

The old is do or die. Under the old if you broke a commandment you were to be put to death. Not so under the new because of the grace of God. But does the grace of God now allow us to break them?

Then you describe a soteriology based on works in compliance to a legal code that God has already concluded all to be disobedient to. It is faulty, and you do not recognize the legal change of covenants. The questions I asked are not difficult, and providing answers isn't going to harm you:

Hebrews 10:9:
He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

Do you believe we are allowed to break the commandments?

Since you do not know what the commandments of God are, how do you even know that you're in violation of them?

 

[k4c]

Then you describe a soteriology based on works in compliance to a legal code that God has already concluded all to be disobedient to. It is faulty, and you do not recognize the legal change of covenants. The questions I asked are not difficult, and providing answers isn't going to harm you:

Hebrews 10:9:
He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

And answer these questions:







Who is the "He" this passage refers to?

• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

Since you do not know what the commandments of God are, how do you even know that you're in violation of them?

Did you know that the Ten Commandments are like a chain with ten links etched in stone, if you break one link, you've broken them all.

James 2:10-11 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery,'' also said, "Do not murder.'' Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Did you know that the fifth commandment is the first commandment with a promise attacted to it if you obey it?

Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. "Honor your father and mother,'' which is the first commandment with promise: "that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.''

Did you know that after Jesus' death they continued to obey the fourth commandment?

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Do you believe it's okay to break one of the Ten Commandments?

 

[freeindeed2]

The old is do or die. Under the old if you broke a commandment you were to be put to death. Not so under the new because of the grace of God. But does the grace of God now allow us to break them?

Do you believe we are allowed to break the commandments?

If the old were truly 'do or die' (instead of a covenant given by a God who IS love and full of grace and mercy) then Israel wouldn't exist. It says it right there in the Jeremiah passage you've quoted many times:

It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestorsy
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them... Je 31:32

They ALL broke that covenant, the 10 commandments, written with letters engraved on stone, yet we see evidence that God did not 'do or die' them, because they didn't 'do' and they did not 'die.' No, instead, God showed grace and had mercy and was longsuffering with them and patient. He corrected them and gave them chance after chance after chance. They wandered in the wilderness when they should have died. They NEVER learned though! For example, show me ONCE where they EVER celebrated the year of Jubilee, the ULTIMATE Sabbath in the cycle of Sabbaths. There is NO record of it in scripture. But they did not die despite their continual disobedience. God was a husband to them, but they were a harlot in response.

We CANNOT be justified or made righteous by law-keeping. Jesus satisfied the requirements of the law in order that we could be justified and made righteous by faith in what HE already accomplished, not to send us back to what brought a death sentence in the first place, but to bring us to HIM. The theology you have bought into is an attempt to join death and life together in a spiritually adulterous relationship.

In Christ alone...

 

[k4c]

If the old were truly 'do or die' (instead of a covenant given by a God who IS love and full of grace and mercy) then Israel wouldn't exist. It says it right there in the Jeremiah passage you've quoted many times:

It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestorsy
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them... Je 31:32

They ALL broke that covenant, the 10 commandments, written with letters engraved on stone, yet we see evidence that God did not 'do or die' them, because they didn't 'do' and they did not 'die.' No, instead, God showed grace and had mercy and was longsuffering with them and patient. He corrected them and gave them chance after chance after chance. They wandered in the wilderness when they should have died. They NEVER learned though! For example, show me ONCE where they EVER celebrated the year of Jubilee, the ULTIMATE Sabbath in the cycle of Sabbaths. There is NO record of it in scripture. But they did not die despite their continual disobedience. God was a husband to them, but they were a harlot in response.

We CANNOT be justified or made righteous by law-keeping. Jesus satisfied the requirements of the law in order that we could be justified and made righteous by faith in what HE already accomplished, not to send us back to what brought a death sentence in the first place, but to bring us to HIM. The theology you have bought into is an attempt to join death and life together in a spiritually adulterous relationship.

In Christ alone...

Do you believe it's okay to break the commandments of God?

 

[freeindeed2]

Do you believe it's okay to break the commandments of God?

Why don't you try addressing what other people post for once, and then we'll get to your question? I think you'll find more of a willingness for people to answer your question if you'll at the VERY least acknowledge that they've made a post to you. Try it.

In Christ alone...

 

[VictorC]

Do you believe it's okay to break one of the Ten Commandments?

I mentioned before that you aren't going to know if you have violated the commandments of God if you don't know what they are, and you're focused on a matter completely unrelated to them. It seems you have a great deal of difficulty answering the questions posed to you, which are not hard at all to address. Consider this short excerpt from Hebrews 10:9:

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

 

[Kira Light]

Do you believe it's okay to break the commandments of God?

You really think you got something with that question, don't you?

I see numerous problems with it. What does "okay" really mean? Do people that break the commandments still get saved? Does that mean it's "okay"?

Is your point that you believe it is NOT "okay" to break the commandments? Do you mean that people who break them will not be saved?

Do you break them? Is that "okay"?

Or is it really just "okay" as long as you know it's not "okay" and you feel some guilt and maybe beg forgiveness?

Is that really such a good question?

 

[k4c]

You really think you got something with that question, don't you?

I see numerous problems with it. What does "okay" really mean? Do people that break the commandments still get saved? Does that mean it's "okay"?

Is your point that you believe it is NOT "okay" to break the commandments? Do you mean that people who break them will not be saved?

Do you break them? Is that "okay"?

Or is it really just "okay" as long as you know it's not "okay" and you feel some guilt and maybe beg forgiveness?

Is that really such a good question?

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

 

[freeindeed2]

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

It's a flawed question.

k4c, have you told your wife you're having an affair? Yes or no. Have you stopped beating your wife? Just answer the questions with a yes or no please.

 

[VictorC]

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

You had charged that it was a satanic influence that took away the sabbath, and then you changed your tune to charge that mankind changed the sabbath, and this entire time no one can elicit an answer from you to tell what the ten commandments was (hint: singular). It would seem that you don't want to know the commandments of God, and your earlier accusations regarding Who it is that took the sabbath away are not going to be answered. That's was the impetus for this line of questions that you continue to evade.

Consider this short excerpt from Hebrews 10:9:

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

 

[Kira Light]

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

Wow, I certainly hope so because if not I am screwed.

You must be a really good person to be able to say you have never done this, huh?

 

[freeindeed2]

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

I believe it's 'okay' to freely, willfully and with knowledge recognize that being joined to Christ means I cannot be under the old covenant and that, as a Gentile, it was never a covenant that God made with me.

In case you missed it, Victor has asked you some questions DIRECTLY related to what you're talking around.

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

In Christ alone...

 

[k4c]

I believe it's 'okay' to freely, willfully and with knowledge recognize that being joined to Christ means I cannot be under the old covenant and that, as a Gentile, it was never a covenant that God made with me.

In case you missed it, Victor has asked you some questions DIRECTLY related to what you're talking around.

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.


And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

In Christ alone...

I'm still waiting for a clear answer from you and VC. For about the seventh time.

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

 

[VictorC]

I'm still waiting for a clear answer from you and VC. For about the seventh time.

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

Your question came after mine, and your responses to the questions will naturally lead into yours. Since I asked my questions before you did, I am waiting for your response:

Consider this short excerpt from Hebrews 10:9:

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

 

[k4c]

Your question came after mine, and your responses to the questions will naturally lead into yours. Since I asked my questions before you did, I am waiting for your response:

Consider this short excerpt from Hebrews 10:9:

He takes away the first that He may establish the second.



And answer these questions:

• Who is the "He" this passage refers to?
• What is the "first" a reference to?
• What is the "second" a reference to?
• Which legal body is the sabbath contained in, which is addressed in the previous verses by comments pertaining to the burnt offerings?

Jesus takes away the first covenant which brought condemnation, death and the curse by replacing it with mercy and grace for breaking it and then He writes it on our heart and empowers us to keep it through love.

But even in this we will still struggle with sin but now it will be a struggle where before it was all good and fun.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Now for the question you can only answer if you love God.

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

 

[VictorC]

Jesus takes away the first covenant which brought condemnation, death and the curse by replacing it with mercy and grace for breaking it and then He writes it on our heart and empowers us to keep it through love.

Your answer begins correctly, and then by adding obfuscation to the simple questions, you lost it and didn't answer them faithfully.

The "He" is Jesus Christ.
The first" He took away was the first covenant.
The "second" He established is the second, or new, covenant.
The sabbath is contained in the first covenant, addressed in the previous verse and a component of the law: "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them", which are offered according to the law".

In previous episodes you had made the claim that satan took away the first covenant, and then you charged that mankind changed the first covenant. Neither one of those statements was true, as the "He" Who took away the first covenant and the sabbath contained therein is Jesus Christ.

Do you agree?
The law written into us isn't according to Sinai; that was refuted using clear Scripture carefully explained to you already, and at this point repeating your lie doesn't help your credibility one bit.

 

[k4c]

Your answer begins correctly, and then by adding obfuscation to the simple questions, you lost it and didn't answer them faithfully.

The "He" is Jesus Christ.
The first" He took away was the first covenant.
The "second" He established is the second, or new, covenant.
The sabbath is contained in the first covenant, addressed in the previous verse and a component of the law: "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them", which are offered according to the law".

In previous episodes you had made the claim that satan took away the first covenant, and then you charged that mankind changed the first covenant. Neither one of those statements was true, as the "He" Who took away the first covenant and the sabbath contained therein is Jesus Christ.

Do you agree?
The law written into us isn't according to Sinai; that was refuted using clear Scripture carefully explained to you already, and at this point repeating your lie doesn't help your credibility one bit.

What was revealed at Sinai was not new, it exsited long before.

Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.

These things were made known to them which means they existed prior.

Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

Have you been born again?

If not then this could be the reason why you say what you say.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

 

[VictorC]

What was revealed at Sinai was not new, it exsited long before.

Nehemiah 9:13-14 "You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.

These things were made known to them which means they existed prior.

You make Moses a liar by your testimony and a misinterpretation of Nehemiah 9, which is one of the texts that I have used in the past to establish attribution of the sabbath's origin with Moses, just as that passage did because of the knowledge base of those making the testimony: they "read from the Book of the Law of the LORD their God for one-fourth of the day" (Nehemiah 9:3). Here is what Moses wrote in that book of the law:

Deuteronomy 5
2 "The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 "The LORD did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, those who are here today, all of us who are alive.

Moses then recited the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
That covenant did not exist prior to Moses' own generation.

Do you believe it's okay to freely, willfuly and with knowledge, break one of the Ten Commandments?

You haven't even established how it is possible to violate a covenant that was taken away nearly 2000 years before I was born.