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That's the thing though isn't it? It's not explicit and it's wishful thinking on your part that it is.
He does indeed. But "Hell" with the capital "H" is not a biblical word. It's a Norse word that's reminiscent of Dante or a smiling plumber when he presents you with his bill.
Jesus said "aionios kolais" which means "correction or pruning lasting for an age". Our word eon comes from aionios and it indicates a long time but not an eternity. The phrase has is translated as "eternal punishment" in most, but by no means all, English Bible translations and ECT is based on nothing more than that, a crass mistranslation.
The Bible doesn't talk about Hell at all. It talks about Gehenna, Hades, Sheol and Tartarus instead, all of which have different meanings but none of which mean "eternal hell". But none of them are the sort of place you want to go to, even if it is for a time-limited duration, which is why God warns us of them. Correction is never an easy thing.
But tainting God with the ECT brush is not the sort of place we want to go to either. It means saying goodbye to a God of love.
Only if a damnable heresy is a bad thing.You say that like it's a bad thing. - LOL
Yes, like Annihilationists.There are some that think hell is not eternal, but they may not believe it is remedial.
You referred to "your source on Gehenna." Actually, I directly quoted 3 non-Biblical sources, with links to each. The Jewish Encyclopedia, the Encyclopedia Judaica and the Talmud.
My position remains, before and during the time of Jesus there was a significant belief in a place of eternal, fiery punishment which the Jews called both sheol and Ge hinnom in the OT, Gehinnom and sheol was written in the 225 BC LXX and the NT as Gehenna and Hades. What Jesus taught about gehenna and hades did not contradict but supported this belief.
And I have in the past and can do again posted archaeological evidence that there never was a trash dump in Gehenna. There was such a trash dump, but it was the next valley over, the Kidron valley.
Is that the best you can come up with? I mean you totally ignore what the bible actually says about the topic and project your propensity for wishful thinking onto someone else. Do you actually have an alternate interpretation for the verses I posted? They can't be any more explicit.
Sorry to laugh. You may have been serious.Only if a damnable heresy is a bad thing.
It has really shaken my faith.
In my experience the people who don't believe in Jesus don't believe in hell, either.For us in Christ Jesus there is no condemnation. But Hell as a warning for those who are not in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:1
“Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,”
For us in Christ Jesus there is no condemnation. But Hell as a warning for those who are not in Christ Jesus. God wants us to warn people, he wants them to repent and be saved. God Bless
The actual arrogance of that statement is mind-boggling that people on THIS THREAD- are arguing if God is ‘really’ just. Wow.
God, not man decides what is/is not worse.
Which is to say everybody, right? All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, there is none righteous, no, not one.God hates the workers of iniquity
See above.and every sinner deserves hell
Be of good cheer, we've been assured by one the participants here that God never destroys anyone in hell, and others have declared that not only does He not destroy anyone in hell, tha He is in fact unable to destroy anyone at all. (I find both those assertions fairly dubious, myself.)"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."Matthew 10:28
Is that a fact? Mind telling me where?And yet, you say you have decided for God. Interesting.
Yes, but you are talking about something that's a whole other level because you mean remedial as in role reversal. The wages of sin is death meaning it's likened to capital punishment. That's not language you use if it's likened to twenty years in prison. Imputed righteousness is important to this discussion because guilty though we are, God can take the punishment off us. It's likened to having your fine paid in full. No use in paying that fine after twenty years in hell, as the point is to have that transaction take place before then. No one could appease the wrath of God the same way Jesus Christ bore the punishment on the cross in order to get the get out of jail free card. Christ's redemption only works if his own bypass the judgment. We are appointed once to die and then the judgment. We are not afforded twice to consider ourselves dead to sin, once on this side of life, and another for the other side of life (or downgraded life).Yes, like Annihilationists.
Although they may actually believe it is remedial,
in the sense that it "remedies" the sin problem.
Neither, IMO, are the opinions of the ancient Jews. "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not."Again your opinion is not relevant.
Suits me. How much good did it do 'em?before and during the time of Jesus there was a belief in a place of eternal fiery punishment and they called it both Ge Hinnom and sheol
Is that a fact? Mind telling me where?
What do the Jews have to do with this discussion?Neither, IMO, are the opinions of the ancient Jews. "He came unto His own, and His own received Him not."
Suits me. How much good did it do 'em?
I believe that hell exists on the authority of our Lord Christ, not the opinions of the Jews. They got too much wrong for me to pay too much heed to their opinions.
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