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That worked much better, thanks. Much appreciated.Ah, that's my naivete in the use of quotes with this site, I apologize. I think i see now how to correctly quote.
Very good.Thank you so much for your questions. I'm actually here to bring fire to what I've built on the foundation. I'd rather see it here than on the day where we will experience great loss or reward. 1 Corinthians 3:13
UR is a very threatening thing to them. For those who don't understand it, as soon as the word Universalism is mentioned their hackles are up and they are in attack mode, armed with a caricature of what they think it is about. (blatant and unapologetic ignorance) Ironically, they view it as a salvation issue, but I do not. So, the stage is set.
I am under no compulsion to convert anyone, as I said, I don't view it is a salvation issue.
"There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love." 1 John 4:18
Jesus we the infinite breadth and length and height of God’s love for us. That's why the Bible urges us to fully embrace our faith because only then can we begin to trust and rest in God's love. "There is no fear in love."
The name "Noah" comes from the Hebrew word "Noach" which means "rest" or "repose", and perhaps resting in God's love is the true meaning of embarking on God's Ark.
Fear robs us of our assurance of God’s love. Every time we doubt His love we step into the realm of fear, and our relationship with God is stolen from us. And this is all that we get from the concept of Eternal Conscious Torment (ECT). The gift that keeps on giving /s.
So don't be afraid that God is going to torment or throw us in a literal lake of fire. He's not that sort of guy. He is as He is in Jesus so we can confidently throw such fears away.
"Indeed, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will hurt you." Luke 10:19.
So let's put the fear of eternal hell under our feet and stamp the notion out once and for all.
My point is to look at a specific passage that deals with false disciples. We could look at other passages that deal with different kinds of false converts, but I thought about this passage first.That's a lot of back-pedaling... what's your point?
I hope there is some delicious lemon pie under all that meringue. (must be lunch time - LOL)
In case you can't remember what we were talking about (I can't either) let's address this. (thanks)
Should we really be about the business of attempting to divide the church into what we judge to be true or false converts? Or can we find more edifying things to do with one another? (1 Thessalonians 5:11)
Jesus spoke of the existence of Hell perhaps more than any other of His teachings.. "..as you did it not to one of the least of these you did it not to me. And they shall go away into eternal punishment." (Mt.25:45-46) "And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go to HELL." Jesus does not "throw people into Hell' By the way we live our lives Heaven or Hell is our choice. WE choose Heaven or Hell. So .."choose life then, that you and your descendants may live." (Deut 30:19)
"Whoever hears my Word..will cross into eternal life" What about those who do NOT hear and obey Jesus' Word? They cross into eternal death..Hell. "Depart from Me you accursed. into the Eternal Fire.." (Matt.25:41)
Very good.
In your perspective, what qualifies as wood, hay and stubble?
"But as for cowards, the unfaithful, the depraved..murderers, fornicators..their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." (Rev.21:8)
Why on earth would there ever be a distinction of false converts and true ones in the Bible? Some may profess that Jesus is Lord but not by practice. He always leads people to Christ's lordship (the believers). They "have the mind of Christ." (cf. 1 Co 2:16)
Who says those in the underworld worship him? I suppose acknowledgment of his lordship is a kind of worship but no one can truly love God apart from his electing grace, saving grace. To acknowledge Christ's lordship on this side of life, that is made evident in the life of a believer.Make no mistake, every knee bows In the Name of Jesus. Every dimension of the heavens, the earth and the underworld ultimately resounds in worship of the Master of reconciliation.
Not many, not the malista only: the all.
Who says those in the underworld worship him?
UR is a very threatening thing to them. For those who don't understand it, as soon as the word Universalism is mentioned their hackles are up and they are in attack mode, armed with (blatant and unapologetic ignorance) a caricature of what they think it is about. Ironically, they view it as a salvation issue, but I do not. So, the stage is set.
I have a lot of respect for those (like yourself) who will take the time to learn to understand UR from our perspective. (translation: thanks for getting WOKE to "our" superior enlightenment) I am under no compulsion to convert anyone, as I said, I don't view it is a salvation issue. Everyone is already saved by Christ's completed work on our behalf. It's not about us, never was. Not to say that we don't need to work out our salvation, we do. But...
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