Lord's Supper - Wine or Grape Juice?

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That is strange because that is not what the scriptures say. He was crucified BEFORE the seder was eaten, the lambs being killed that day. The Priests did not want to defile themselves so they could eat the Passover. You said previously it was already the days of unleavened when He was killed. the Last Supper was not a Passover seder...
 
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No it isn't, you say Yeshua rose after sunset while the link says He rose at 3 PM in the afternoon on Shabbat.
 
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I already showed you SCRIPTURE that Christ and the disciples ate the Passover meal and it was a seder. I already EXPLAINED what I meant by Passover being the first day of the feast of unleavened bread.
 
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No it isn't, you say Yeshua rose after sunset while the link says He rose at 3 PM in the afternoon on Shabbat.

What link? I never provided a "link." And I never said He rose at 3 PM in the afternoon. You're confused. Perhaps you saw my #3 and thought that read 3 PM. No, it was to indicate 3 days and 3 nights.
 
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I see you provide no scriptures with your theories.

Luke 22
14 When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him. 15 Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
 
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I'm not sure that this is correct. "New Wine or Tirosh" doesn't mean unfermented wine. It is wine from the "first drippings" of the grapes and could be very potent, as we see in this verse from Hosea.
Hosea 4:11 Harlotry, wine and new wine take away the understanding.
Of course this doesn't clear much up since the term in scripture during the Last Supper doesn't say "wine", it says "fruit of the vine". In Greek-γενήματος τῆς ἀμπέλου.
 
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Interesting find.

It is freshly squeezed. So the fermentation would then depend on if the grapes were fresh or not, I guess. Someone made the point that the harvest of grapes would have been in the fall, and Passover was 6 months later.

I need to do more research for sure. Thanks for bringing up this puzzling verse.
 
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Lol.....

Everyone knows that in those days, alcohol, wine, was a stable part of their diet. Non alcoholic wine had not been invented! Its only modern day alcohol free believers that say such.

Jesus turned water into WINE! Jesus drank WINE. Jesus turned WINE into His Blessed and Holy Blood at the last supper.
 
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Actually, there was a way of preserving grape juice by a sort of pasteurization back then. They would boil the grape juice down to a syrup, thus preserving it, Water was then added as needed. There are mentions of adding differing amounts of water to wine in the Bible and this is why, to account for differing concentrations of syrup.
 
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It was alcoholic then as it is now.
 
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Please read my post #71 for the explanation of adding water. Welsh may have been the first to preserve the grape juice without removing the water content but concentration methods were known.
 
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We know for a fact (because we have 2 eyewitness on the road to Emmaus), that He dies on a Friday and raised on Sunday.
Please explain the witness of Him dying on Friday. One can't get three nights, not even partial nights, if He died on Friday.
 
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Ummm... the blood reference at the Last supper was symbolic unless you think Jesus contradicted the ordinance to not eat or drink blood.
 
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That does not agree with scripture, maybe this will help.
When was the Passover Sacrifice Brought - NehemiasWall.com
 
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This is one of the best explanations that I have read. People would do well to understand it.
 
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