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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Here are Bible passages that confirm the fact that the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath is some time before His glorious Return. His people, righteous Israel, every faithful Christian who believes in God and keeps His Commandments, will live there in prosperity and peace. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15

    Isaiah 66:15-24 ...the Lord coming in fire [not on a cloud, in His glory, at this time],
    ...bringing retribution in anger.
    The Lord will judge with fire and sword and test all mankind. All those unclean and wicked will die.

    I will gather peoples of every tongue- they: [all Christians] will see My glory.
    2 Thessalonians 1:10....revealed to His own.
    I shall put a sign on [some of] those survivors and will send them to declare My glory to all the nations. [before the Return –these are the 144,000, Rev 7 & 14, Isaiah 66:19

    From all the world, your fellow peoples will come, on every conveyance, like offerings to the Lord. Some will become My priests. Revelation 5:10
    His Christian people will rebuild the Temple and serve in it. 1 Peter 2:9, Rev. 11:1-2]

    As the New heavens and New earth that I am making will endure, so will your posterity endure. This will happen at the end of the Millennium, Revelation 21:1-7

    All mankind will come to bow before Me. They will see what happened to those who rebelled against Me. This will happen during the Millennium. Zechariah 14:16

    Jeremiah 30:3 ...both Israel and Judah will return to the Land. A remnant; only as faithful Christians. But, first the Land is cleared and cleansed:

    Jeremiah 30:4-11 The Lord says to Israel and Judah, “How awful is that Day, a cry of terror, anguish for Jacob. [His people, their faith tested.. Psalms 30:4-5, Ezekiel 21:7

    On that Day, I will save My people. [the terrible Day of the Lord/the sixth seal, coronal mass ejection from the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Isaiah 32:15-20
    Do not despair, [faithful] Israel, I will bring you back safely from afar. Isaiah 51:3

    Deuteronomy 32:41-43 I will sharpen My flashing sword and take vengeance on those who hate Me. Rejoice, you heavens, He will avenge His people and cleanse their Land. Ref: REB some verses abridged.

    There is a wonderful logic in the promise that those people who love the Lord will live in the Promised Land and all those prophecies to His holy people will be fulfilled. They will settle there and be “a light to all nations” as God originally intended.
    Isaiah 60:3.... over you, His glory will appear and nations will travel to your light.

    Very soon, there will be worldwide, dramatic events, especially in the Middle East, which will completely change the area. The Lord’s faithful people will go to live in all of the holy Land.

    When the Lord Jesus returns, He will save those people from the attacking armies of the Anti Christ. The sudden and complete destruction of those armies as described in
    Rev. 19:17-21, does not match the 6th Seal– Rev 6:12-17, or the many other verses describing the Lord’s Day of wrath and vengeance. Amos 5:18-20, Joel 2:11

    Then those Gentile people who have refused the “mark of the beast” will join them, Matthew 24:31, and live in the Land, Isaiah 56:8, under King Jesus, for 1000 years.
     
  2. Douggg

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    That's so ambiguous. Predicting "dramatic events in the middle east" ? Like who would ever think that?

    Keras, you need to look at the size of Israel. You are probably thinking it is only going to be 144,000.
     
  3. keras

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    All the Bible prophets tell of this forthcoming worldwide disaster, that will particularly devastate and depopulate the Middle East. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 and over 100 other prophesies.
    They will be lucky to have 12,000 survivors. They need at least that many to fulfil Revelation 7:5a, but my guess that most will come from the Jews still in dispersion.
    Isaiah 22:11b-14, Amos 2:4-5,+
     
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  4. Douggg

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    I was not clear in my comment. I will try again.

    You need to look at the size of Israel. It is 8000 square miles. Then consider how many Christians you are figuring are going to be living there in your scenario, to determine the population density - persons per square mile - and then compare that to some existing locations on their population density's - to evaluate the feasibility of your interpretation.
     
  5. keras

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    You need to actually look at and read the Prophetic Word.
    The Land given to Abraham, the holy Land; is a huge area, from the Nile to the Euphrates. The Lord will make it like a garden Land. Ezekiel 36:8, Amos 9:13-15, Isaiah 35:6-7, Isaiah 51:3, Psalms 126:1-5
    To go and live there is our destiny, as the Lord's faithful Jesus believers.
    WE Christians are the vast multitude seen by John in the holy Land. Revelation 7:9
     
  6. keras

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    This much prophesied, still to come, Lords Day of vengeance and wrath – may happen at the same time as the next Middle East attack. People think there may be a nuclear exchange, but what is more certain is what the prophets say:
    Jeremiah 50:25 The Lord opens His armoury and brings forth the weapons of His wrath, for this is His work to be done in the lands of the godless peoples.
    Isaiah 34:5 For My sword appears in heaven, it descends in judgement.
    Psalm 11:6 The Lord is in heaven, raining fiery coals onto the wicked.
    Isaiah 66:15-16 See, the Lord is coming in fire, like a whirlwind. He will judge with fire, His sword will test mankind and many will be slain by Him.
    Isaiah 33:10-12 Now I shall arise, says the Lord, I will exalt Myself. You will be as chaff and stubble, a wind like fire will consume you. Whole nations will be heaps of white ash, like thorns cut down and set on fire.
    Psalm 144:5-6 Lord, part the heavens. Make lightning flashes far and wide.
    Isaiah 30:30 Then the Lord will make His voice heard in majesty...descending in fierce anger with devouring flames of fire amid storms and hail.
    Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from God, a sweeping whirlwind which whirls around the heads of the wicked. The Lords fierce anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes.
    In Days to come you will understand.

    Isaiah 29:5-6 Yet, the horde of Your enemies will crumble into dust, fly away like chaff. Suddenly in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with storms, thunder, earthquakes and great noise and a flame of devouring fire.
    Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched by the Lord, the people are like fuel for the fire.
    Isaiah 10:17 The Light of Israel will become as fire, its Holy One a flame, which, in one day will burn up and consume His thorns and briars.
    Isaiah 30:26 On the Day that the Lord saves His people, the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness, like seven days in one and the moon will be as bright as the sun.
    See; the Lord comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy. His lips are charged with wrath and His tongue is a devouring fire. His breath is like a torrent in spate. He sieves out the nations for destruction.
    Isaiah 63:1-6

    What these (and other) prophecies say, seem to be describing, is sunspot activity.
    Maybe the sun is building up to a huge coronal mass ejection. This can happen very suddenly and unexpectedly, reaching earth within hours and would be capable of causing enormous damage and deaths worldwide.
    All electrical and communications systems, industry, transport, you name it, could be destroyed, or at least severely damaged. Armies would be back to 1800’s technology.
     
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    Modern semiconductors, which are most sensitive to an EMP, were not invented until the 1960's.

    Korean War technology, which included nuclear weapons, does not require modern semiconductors.

    You also have to remember that many weapons platforms are heavily shielded from EMP.
    All that is required is completely wrapping it with a thin layer of metal foil or screen, and having no external antennas.

    The microwaves cannot get through the window of your microwave oven, because the small holes in the window's metal screen are smaller than microwaves.
    A major component of an EMP is at microwave frequencies.
    Farady cages can be built without a major investment.

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  8. keras

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    What you and most other people cannot imagine, is the extreme disruption to our society when the electric supply fails.
    No amount of protection will help if there is no power supply. Generators of any kind require fuel, water, wind or solar energy. None of these may be available after the Lord's Day of wrath has destroyed our infrastructure.

    For anyone to ignore or deny what is so graphically prophesied to happen, then they are simply in the dark and unprepared mentally and physically for this forthcoming sudden and shocking event.
     
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    My wife and I rewound a 4 Kw generator during Hurricane Hugo. The power lines were down for 10 days. We put a gasoline engine on my well pump which was a stroke-pump at that time. We would run the engine long enough to pump some water for use, and then shut it down.

    I now have a 8Kw propane fired backup generator, made by Generac. The propane is stored underground.

    I rewound a 12 Kw generator that I got from a friend who installs Generac brand equipment, a few months ago. The winding had overheated and burned out, but I replaced it. It took a lot of time, but not a lot of money.

    I have a 3 Kw photovoltaic array with a 4.5 Kw inverter, and 8 Trojan brand 12 Volt golf cart batteries, for storage.

    I did not write the book on alternative energy, but I have read it.

    However, I am fully award of what an EMP can do.

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    Excerpts from a novel - Solar Flare, by Larry Burkett. Published 1995

    The solar winds striking earth carried billions of tons of supercharged electrical particles. The sheer mass of this flare ripped through the magnetic shield that normally protected Earth, bending and displacing the magnetosphere until it collapsed.
    At ground level where the force field was more protective, the consequences of this flare were delayed but not avoided. The first to go were the power grids. As the charged particles hit the power lines, the surge of electricity tripped the breakers off line. Inside the power stations themselves, operators worked frantically to get the grids back on line, but their electronic monitors flashed and burnt as the massive overload destroyed all electronic devices in its path.

    Perhaps the flare in 1872 was of a similar magnitude, but then there was not anywhere the same amount of electrical equipment around. This time, generators burned out, transformers exploded, radio and television station transmitters flashed and burned. Domestic appliances, anything plugged into the supply grid, were destroyed with a smell of acrid smoke. Vehicle electronics were disabled, making most modern cars useless.

    The scene from space would have appeared like a planet dying, as the lights flashed then went out, across the world, as the earth rotated to face the sun.

    The city was in ruins. It was like a scene from Beirut in the seventies. Torched and abandoned vehicles were still smoking. Many buildings were burned out, and shops smashed and looted. Armed individuals and groups roamed the streets, making it very difficult for those holed up in their homes to escape to the countryside.

    It was a unique event in history. Man had transformed the planet into an industrialized society, with modern communications, transport and conveniences and now, in a span of little more than a week, all that was just history. Electricity, perhaps mans greatest tool, was destroyed on planet earth and along with it mankind’s modern way of life.

    My comments;
    The Lord will use this means of judgement to destroy His enemies and to bring mankind to a place where everyone must recognize His omnipotence, although not all will give Him due reverence. His enemies, will be that alliance of nations and entities, who – at the moment of their attack against Israel – will be mostly wiped out by this Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath – His Judgement of fire from the sun.

    Prophecies describing a Coronal Mass Ejection - Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:15-17, Hebrews 10:27, Isaiah 29:5-6, Malachi 4:1, Deuteronomy 32:41-43, Psalms 50:1-6, Psalms 144:5-6.

    Prophecies against the attacking nations - Note in Psalm 144:7-8 Rescue me from the power of aliens, whose every word is worthless, every oath is false. The Islamic code of Al Takayya, means they can use any means of deceit against non Muslims. Psalms 83, Zechariah 12:1-9, Isaiah 33:10-12, Zephaniah 2:4-7.....at midday, Gaza will be destroyed.

    But the Lord’s righteous people have these promises -

    Isaiah 30:26...on that Day, I shall save My people.

    Ezekiel 28:25-26 When I execute Judgement on all of Israel’s scornful neighbours, then My people, all the Israelites, gathered from the nations, will live in the Land, undisturbed.

    Isaiah 63:4 I resolved on a Day of vengeance; the year for redeeming My own had come.

    Isaiah 52:6-12 On that Day, My people will know My Name....Go out, leave Babylon, keep yourselves pure, the Lord will guard and guide you. [ into the holy Land, Isaiah 35:1-10]
     
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    Wow.
    I looked up some info on that and came across this site:


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...and-running-out-of-room-idUSKCN0RP0Z820150925

    TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Israel’s birth rate, the highest in the developed world and once seen as a survival tactic in a hostile region, could be its undoing unless measures are taken to reverse the trend.


    The average Israeli woman has three babies in her lifetime, nearly double the fertility rate for the rest of the industrialized countries in the OECD. That, accompanied by heavy Jewish immigration from the former Soviet Union, has seen Israel’s population double in the last 25 years.

    The birth rate is even higher among Israel’s Arab community and more than double among its ultra-Orthodox Jews, two groups that also have low participation in the workforce, dragging the economy down.

    “Israel is on the road to an ecological, social and quality of life disaster because as the population density rises it becomes more violent, congested and unpleasant to live in and with absolutely no room for any species other than humans,” said Alon Tal, a professor at Ben-Gurion University’s Institutes for Desert Research and founder of the Green Movement party.

    Israel has 352 people per sq km, up from 215 in 1990, and forecast by the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) to reach 501-880 in 2059.
     
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  12. keras

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    This is all totally irrelevant to what is prophesied to happen. Judah currently occupys about 2% of the total land area of the Promised Land.

    But FYI, I have walked from Nazareth to Tiberius; the Jesus Trail. A two day hike, that is thru virtually empty countryside. So your contention that the State of Israel is overpopulated, is wrong. We had a hard job to find anyone to get more water!

    Of course they like you to think that, because it is an excuse to take over and build in the West Bank.
     
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    The population of Israel is 8.5 million. New Zealand has a population density of 17.82. Be thankful you live in New Zealand.
     
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    Why I posted this thread, is because you and most others here are unaware of the dramatic changes to the world, that are prophesied to come.
    And you know, Douggg, that could be any day now. Paul said that we shouldn't be surprised when sudden destruction strikes the enemies of God.
     
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    The bible gives the sequence of events in the prophecies. There will be the destruction of God's enemies, but in the order the bible gives. Which is when the Day of the Lord begins. Paul addressed the Day of the Lord in 1Thessalonians5, and 2Thessalonians2.

    The next thing to happen is the change to the EU, to a ten leader form of government, with one leader overall.
     
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    The order the Bible gives, is found in Isaiah 61:1-2.
    Jesus quoted and fulfilled verses 1-2a at His first Advent. The next event is the Day of vengeance of our God.
    This terrible Day will be the destruction of the Lord's enemies, the attackers of Israel. As Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12 say.

    All the world will be affected and it is this disruption that enables the rise of the One World Govt.
     
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    Hey Keras,

    It seems you are affixed to your CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) premise, in spite of Scriptural evidence, but it's important to point out to others the more plausible explanation, -- Global Thermonuclear War.

    There are many secular arguments for this course, the foremost being that man has historically used the most sophisticated weapons available to kill his fellow man, starting with stones, then swords, bullets, artillery, chemical gas, nerve agents, and finally nuclear weapons. And it's expected that man will destroy planet earth with nuclear weapons.

    Secondly, nuclear fission has distinct tangible and physiological characteristics which CME doesn't have:

    Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will smite all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh shall rot while they are still on their feet, their eyes shall rot in their sockets, and their tongues shall rot in their mouths.

    Zechariah 14:15 And a plague like this plague shall fall on the horses, the mules, the camels, the asses, and whatever beasts may be in those camps.

    Ezekiel 38:19 ... On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground. 21 I will summon every kind of terror against Gog, says the Lord God; every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 With pestilence and bloodshed I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain upon him and his hordes and the many peoples that are with him, torrential rains and hailstones, fire and brimstone.

    Ezekiel 38:6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who dwell securely in the coastlands ...

    Revelation 6:4 And out came another horse, bright red; its rider was permitted to take peace from the earth, so that men should slay one another; and he was given a great sword.

    Revelation 6:8 And I saw, and behold, a pale horse, and its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him; and they were given power over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.


    Revelation 6:12 When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale; 14 the sky vanished like a scroll that is rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

    Revelation 6:15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the generals and the rich and the strong, and every one, slave and free, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,

    Revelation 8:7 The first angel blew his trumpet, and there followed hail and fire, mixed with blood, which fell on the earth; and a third of the earth was burnt up, and a third of the trees were burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

    Revelation 8:8 The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain, burning with fire, was thrown into the sea; 9 and a third of the sea became blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

    Revelation 8:10 The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the fountains of water. 11 The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died of the water, because it was made bitter.

    Revelation 8:12 The fourth angel blew his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of their light was darkened; a third of the day was kept from shining, and likewise a third of the night.

    Revelation 9:6 And in those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, and death will fly from them.
    Please note:
    • The Revelation 6:13 "stars of the sky fell to the earth" presumably are ICBM RB's (re-entry bodies) which look like falling stars as they re-enter the earth's atmosphere.
    • The Revelation 8:8 "third of the ships were destroyed", suggests nuclear military naval strikes.
    • The Revelation 9:6 "seek death and will not find it" appears to suggest radiation poisoning, in which gamma and neutron ionizing radiation acts like microscopic bullets, piercing the cellular walls and causing bleeding from every orifice, -- along with vomiting, abdominal pain, dizziness, headache, fatigue, fever, decreased level of consciousness, loss of appetite, and susceptibility to infection. The individual will feel like they're going to die, but will have a significant chance of recovery.*

    Or so I would propose,
    DaDad

     
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    Ummmmm, I think we're already at Verse 40, which I expect to be fulfilled this year ...

    And the "king of the south" is the U.K./U.S. Lion/Eagle, -- with the U.S. being the principle; the "king of the north" would be Russia; "tidings from the east" would be China; and the "he" who shall "pitch his palatial tents" is the United Nations. -- The first portion is described in greater detail in Ezekiel 38 & 39.

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    Isaiah 61:1-2 is Jesus's first coming. I don't disagree with that.

    And the day of vengenance in verse 2 is connected to Luke 21:22, which was that the temple would be destroyed and the city in 70 ad is fulfilled, and the Jews scattered.

    Luke 21:
    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    The destruction of the temple and city are in Daniel 9:26.


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    Given that in Ezekiel 39 is both the destruction of Gog's army and the 7 years 70th week following, and Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:17-29 at the end of the 70th week -- I would say that there has to be the little horn person in place.

    Which in turn, the fourth empire, which the ten kings are of that empire -- the kingdom with the ten kings has to be a fulfilled reality. Which it is not right now.
     
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    No, not this year. It is several years away, near the end of the 7 years, to happen during the reign of the person when he has become the beast - because he will be claiming to be God at the time, in Daniel 11:36.

    king of the south - more like to the leader of all the Africa nations.
    king of the north - likely to be the leader of Russia, and the 'stan countries.
    kings of the east - the Asian countries, China and allies
    king of the west - the beast, the leader of the EU with the U.S. and Canada as allies.

    These could be stirred into action by the four angels now bound from doing so, said to be bound in the great river Euphrates. Four angels to match the kings of the north, south, east, west. All nations will be drawn into the middle east, as God draws them to do battle with Him, in Zechariah 14:2.

    After killing each other, and populations on their way to the middle east, the events of the sixth seal will take place -- which will cause them to band together to make war on Jesus.

    Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
     
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