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Featured Lords Day of Wrath

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    I looked at some of his premises and I reject them.
    How anyone can co-relate calendar dates with Bible books or Psalm numbers, beats me. It's another form of spiritism and divination, to be carefully avoided.
    Scoffers, as per 2 Peter 3:1-6, scoff at the actual Bible prophesies. I reject any peculiar and unbiblical notions, such as you present.

    You post on this thread, when do you think the Lord's Day of wrath will happen? Will you see it?
     
  2. DaDad

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    Great, which ones did you evaluate, and why did you "reject" them? Did you evaluate the Chapters surrounding the "offending" Chapter to see if there is a chronologically historical context?
    Thanks,
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  3. keras

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    This thread is about the forthcoming Lord's Day of wrath.
    Re; your premise that there is some Psalms, etc, that have predicted events of the last 100 years or so, I do not see it and I can't see why God would do that. Jesus said; There will be wars.... and He was surely right! How do we differentiate between all those wars?

    But what is coming, is not a war: Ezekiel 7:14 The Trumpet has sounded and all are ready, but no-one goes to war, for their turmoil has called forth My wrath.
    This prophecy is perfectly plain; at the moment of attack, the Lord will act and destroy them all.
     
  4. DaDad

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    That's not what you've asserted:

    I asked WHICH ones, WHY did you reject them, and whether you evaluated the surrounding Chapters for Historical context.

    Me thinks you no do what you say,
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  5. iamlamad

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    You have missed the intent of the Author in your 1/4 of the people will die. That is not at all what is written.

    The intent is that the three riders, the red, the black and the pale will be LIMITED in their theater of operation to 1/4 of the earth's surface. No one knows how many will die, for John does not tell us. We can be quite sure that 1/4 of the earth's surface will be the 1/4 centered on Jerusalem.
     
  6. iamlamad

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    Keras, most of the commentators are agreed, Ezekiel seven is really about the coming destruction when Nebuchadnezzar carries Judah away captive to Babylon.

    Are you hinting that these verses may have a secondary meaning for our future?
     
  7. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    I certainly am.
    Ezekiel 7:1-14 is entirely unfulfilled prophecy. From 15-27, was fulfilled in ancient times, but also has allusions to what is yet to happen.

    It is impossible to say verse 14 was fulfilled by the Babylonian conquest, as people DID go to war then.
    The Lord's terrible Day of wrath; the Day is coming....verse 10, and The time has come.....v12, tell of a direct strike from the Lord.... then you will know that I; the Lord has struck you. Ezekiel 7:9b
    This prophecy, a strike instigated directly by the Lord, as against His use of foreign armies, etc, to chastise Israel, is well prophesied elsewhere; Amos 1, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 63:1-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, +++ and it will be the Sixth Seal event; Revelation 6:12-17

    As for 'commentators', I threw out their pathetic attempts to explain Bible prophecy, long ago. That they are wrong in their comments, is because they are wise and learned, therefore the truth is hidden from them. Matthew 11:25
     
  8. iamlamad

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    A few times, the commentators get prophecy right.
    I followed you right up until you tied it to the 6th seal. That is the start of the Day of the Lord. Would that great worldwide earthquake fulfill God striking?
     
  9. DaDad

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    Rev. 6: 8 I ... They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

    Rev. 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

    19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found.

    Per the passages above one should expect that if global thermonuclear war is unleashed, it will certainly affect the northern hemisphere nations, which might encompass 1/4 of the earth's expanse, and include the respective "kings of the earth", -- which will undoubtedly include the United States.

    So if you're confident, then grab a lawn chair. But for me, I'm fleeing to the mountains.

    Thanks,
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  10. keras

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    The Sixth Seal IS the great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath. An actual 24 hour Day, that will literally fulfil all the over 100 prophesies about that Day. Isaiah 9:14, Zechariah 3:9
    After that sudden and shocking Day, comes the Seventh Seal, Revelation 8:1, which is plainly a time gap, of a half hour in heaven, which equals about 20 years earth time, before Jesus Returns.
    This fits with all that is prophesied to happen; The Lords faithful people occupying the holy Land, the selection of the 144,000, the rise of the Anti-Christ, the 7 year treaty and then the 42 month rule of Satan. Jesus will then Return and destroy Satans army and chain him up for the 1000 years.

    Good luck, DaDad with fleeing to the mountains; Amos 9:1-4
    For myself, I will do what I am told to do: Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
     
  11. DaDad

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    Ummmm, lots of mis-statements, and a rather bizarre "a half hour in heaven, which equals about 20 years earth time", but here's a better reference:

    Zechariah 14:3
    Then the Lord will go forth
    And fight against those nations,
    As He fights in the day of battle.
    4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
    Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
    And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
    From east to west,
    Making a very large valley;
    Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
    And half of it toward the south.

    5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
    For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
    Yes, you shall flee
    As you fled from the earthquake
    In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

    Thus the Lord my God will come,
    And all the saints with You.


    Sounds like I'll be in pretty good company, as should every Christian.

    DaDad
     
  12. keras

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    I proved that the DoL is a single day event with scripture. There is other evidence as well.

    Did you not do math in your edification?
    We are told by two witnesses; Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8, that one day to God in heaven, equals 1000 years earth time. Therefore a half hour in heaven equals 20.8 earth years. But we are told 'about a half hour', so could be more or less; I believe 12-15 years from the Sixth Seal world changer to the Return, which is about right for all that must happen between those events.

    Zechariah 14:5 pertains to the survivors of the Great Tribulation; those Christians who remained, as per Revelation 12:17
    And of course, it refers to the Return of Jesus to earth. What we are discussing on this thread, is the dreadful Day of the Lord's wrath, Amos 5:18-20, a literal Day, years before the great Day of the Lord Almighty. Revelation 16:14
     
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  13. iamlamad

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    Your timing has confused the issue! These riders and their terrible deeds are CHURCH AGE! History, my good man, history! Not future. It is the 6th seal that is future.

    As for nukes, I believe the first three trumpet judgments speak of that. And they are future.

    Where have two world wars started? Europe, of course. The Red horse and rider and work. If the truth were known, there has hardly been a ten year period in Europe since the first century where there has not been wars and rumors going on somewhere.

    And where, in our lifetime has there been famines over and over? Of course Africa.
    Where did the black plague hit twice - killing around 1/3 each time? Europe!

    No need to flee, just get ready for the pretrib rapture and escape what is coming.
     
  14. iamlamad

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    I guess God is not allowed to have 30 minutes in heaven, else someone try to manipulate it! No, not 20 years, but 30 minutes. It is a small reprieve before God starts the 70th week. I suspect there will be 10 days (think Awe) between the 6th seal and the 7th. And 30 minutes after the 7th before the 7 angels line up to get their trumpets.

    I know that God is a God of miracles, but is He really going to fit 1000 years into one 24 hour period? I don't think so. No, the truth is, the DAY of the Lord is not just one 24 hour day - it is an extended period of time. Of course if you had a scripture to prove this, I could change my mind. I have never been settled on the END of the DAY.
     
  15. DaDad

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    Yeah, good luck on that. And remember what happened to Mr. Frank's family. ONLY HE survived.
    Thanks,
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    It would seem that your future may a bit of a surprise:

    Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

    And of course, for those who can't endure, well there's always the Great Falling Away.
    DaDad
     
  17. keras

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    I did post two verses that proved the Sixth Seal, Day of the Lord's wrath is a single, literal day.
    Here are most of them: Isaiah 9:14, Zechariah 3:9, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 2:2-3, Isaiah 2:12, Isaiah 22:5, Isaiah 29:5-6, Zephaniah 1:7-10, Revelation 18:8, and Isaiah 30:26a tells us what the Lord will use on that Day.

    As for earth time compared to heavenly time; it is quite illogical and impossible for them to be the same. Heaven does not orbit the sun.
    We are given a formula, we can do math, we can see how the Seventh Seal fits as a time gap from the Sixth Seal until the Return.

    A change of mind from what you always assumed, to the real truths, would be to your advantage, as the end of this age comes upon us all.
     
  18. keras

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    Jeremiah 25:30-38 The Lord roars from on high. He thunders from His holy place. He roars loudly against His holy Land and like a grape treader, He shouts against all the inhabitants of the earth. The great noise is heard around the world. For the Lord brings His judgement against the nations, He arraigns all mankind and has handed over the wicked and godless to the sword.

    The Lord says, ‘Disaster spreads from nation to nation, a mighty tempest is unleashed, that will blast to every corner of the world’. Those whom the Lord has killed on that Day will be strewn from one end of the earth to the other, they will not be mourned or buried, but left as dung upon the ground.

    Cry out you bad shepherds and useless leaders of My people, the Day comes for your demise, you will fall like prize rams to the slaughter. There will be no escape from the Lord’s fierce anger, like a lion leaping to the kill.

    Disaster will suddenly strike and their land will become desolate because of the fiery wrath of the Lord. Ref: REB, CJB.

    It is now time to realize that this terrible, worldwide disaster is soon to happen.

    In no way has this prophecy been fulfilled yet and this cannot be at the Return, as it must be before that: He thunders from His holy place…. He sends down fireAmos 1, Psalms 18:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:17-20

    Many other prophesies vividly describe this sudden and shocking, Day of the Lord’s wrath, a one day event: as fire from the sky, as a Coronal Mass Ejection sun explosion, that will literally fulfill all of them. Psalms 83 tells how fire and tempest will destroy those attackers of Israel and details like ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, and the ‘moon blood red’, are also literal effects of an earth directed C M E. Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:14-16, 2 Peter 3:7

    The millions killed on that Day won’t be buried because there won’t be many survivors to do that and the extreme heat of a CME and the fires caused by it, will reduce them to ash. Malachi 4:3, Jeremiah 9:22

    Those who have led the people astray with their false teachings, fictional books and poor leadership will be judged and punished on that Day. Micah 3:1-4, Isaiah 56:10-12

    The world as we know it now, will not continue for much longer, prophecy is given to us as a warning of what will happen and to be mentally and physically prepared, so we can stay strong and keep trusting in the Lord to keep us safe, because we know what He plans for His own faithful Christian people. Jeremiah 29:11

    Colossians 1:11-12 In His glorious might may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God’s people, in His Kingdom of Light.
     
  19. keras

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    Zephaniah 1:14-18 The great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath 1 is near, very near and coming quickly. Listen for the sound of that Day 2. When it comes, even the warriors will panic and be terrified.

    That Day will be a day of great fury, a day of distress and torment, a day of destruction and devastation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick blackness, a day of the shofar battle call against fortifications and upon all military strength 3.

    Because the people have sinned against the Lord, He will bring a shocking disaster to all those who live in the holy Land. Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung. Their strength and riches will not save them on the Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath, the whole Land will be burnt and devastated. For He will make an end, a horrible end of all who live in the holy Land 4.

    Isaiah 13:9-13 Here comes the Day of the Lord’s wrath; a Day full of fury and the outpoured wrath of the Lord. The whole earth will be devastated 5 and the ungodly people will be destroyed.

    On that Day, you will not have any light from the sun, the moon or the stars 6. The sky will tremble and shudder and the earth will be shaken from is place 7.

    On that Day, humans will become scarce, they will be as rare as fine gold, after the Day of the Lord’s blazing anger 8.

    Isaiah 24:1-13 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, ruin and devastate it. All the world’s inhabitants, without exception, will be severely affected 9. For the Lord has spoked this Word: The whole world is defiled by its peoples, they have changed the Laws, ignored the Statutes and broken the everlasting Covenant.

    Therefore My curse will consume the earth and its inhabitants will suffer punishment. They are burned up and very few are left 10. There will no longer be revelry and partying, the sounds of music and song will cease.

    The cities and towns will be in chaos 11, every house locked and the people gone. They will be deserted, with all the roads and bridges destroyed. It will be like that throughout the world, in all the nations, just like an olive tree, beaten and stripped after the harvest.
    Ref: NIV, KJV, CJB, REB. Some verses condensed.

    1/ This Great Day is the Lord’s Judgement/Punishment of the nations. Habakkuk 3:12 Nothing like what is prophesied above has happen to the world since Noah’s Flood.
    Now, as 2 Peter 3:7 says: The earth is reserved for burning…. We are told that God will bring out of His storehouseDeuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, the sun: Isaiah 30:26, by a massive explosion, that will cause all the vividly described effects.
    This worldwide disaster will be triggered by an attack onto Israel by her enemies. Haggai 2:6, Isaiah 63:1-6, Psalms 83:1-18, Romans 1:18, Revelation 6:12-17

    2/ The great sound will be heard around the world. Jeremiah 25:30-31, Jeremiah 51:54-55, Isaiah 29:6, Joel 2:1

    3/ All the kinds of military powers will be destroyed, especially the nuclear weapons neutralized. Jeremiah 49:35, Jeremiah 50:22-27, Hosea 2:18, Amos 5:9, Micah 5:10-11, Isaiah 32:14, Hosea 8:14

    4/ All of the holy Land will be devastated and depopulated: Jeremiah 12:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-7, Micah 1:6, Hosea 4:3, Isaiah 6:11-12

    5/ The whole world will be severely affected: Zephaniah 3:8, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:3, Nahum 1:5, Jeremiah 25:32

    6/ There will be no natural light, caused by the electrically induced atmospheric changes and smoke from the fires and volcanoes. Isaiah 47:3, Amos 5:20, Joel 2:2, Jeremiah 4:23, Isaiah 34:4, Revelation 6:13the sky rolled up like a scroll…..

    7/ The earth will be pushed along its orbital track, bringing us back to a 360 day year. Isaiah 13:13, Haggai 2:21-22, Joel 2:10, Psalms 18:7

    8/ Possibly up to 2/3 of the world’s population will die. Evil peoples will be destroyed. This Judgement by fire will be God’s second reset of human civilization and similar in magnitude to the Flood. Isaiah 26:21, Isaiah 51:6, Isaiah 30:30, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Ezekiel 21:21, Revelation 14:17-20

    9/ Everybody now alive will experience this terrible time, it will fall upon all and test the worth of each person. 1 Corinthians 3:13, Luke 21:35, John 17:15, Revelation 3:19, Psalms 118:17-18

    10/ The Middle East region will be the most affected by the direct hit of this CME, but many will die around the world from the resultant earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. Isaiah 33:10-13, Isaiah 63:1-6, Psalms 37:20, Amos 5:8, Nahum 1:8

    11/ After this worldwide disaster that will destroy our modern infrastructure, to restore law and order, the survivors will establish a One World Government. There will be ten regions, each ruled by a President. Daniel 11:21-24, Revelation 17:12. But the new nation, in all of the holy Land, called Beulah, will not be a part of the OWG. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 39:25-29, Ezekiel chapters 40-48, Zechariah 8:1-13

    Isaiah 24:14-16 & 23 The Lord’s people lift their voices, they shout for joy. His righteous people in the West, in the East and on the islands of the sea: all giving honour to the God of Israel. From the ends of the earth, we hear them singing: Glory to God, our Saviour and Redeemer.

    Zechariah 8:4-6 The Lord says: I am about to rescue My people and bring them back to live in the holy Land. Once again old men and women will sit in the streets of Jerusalem and the place will be full if children at play. Even if this seems impossible to those who remain in those days, will it be impossible for Me?

    Revelation 7:9-10 I saw a vast throng, [in Jerusalem] too many to count; people from all races, every tribe, nation and language, standing before the throne of the Lamb. They were robed in white and had palm branches in their hands. They shouted: Victory to our God and to the Lamb who sits on the throne!

    Note that Jesus will be revealed to His own before His Return. 2 Thess. 1:10, Rev 14:1

    All those people who are faithful to God and accept the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, are ‘accounted worthy’. Colossians 1:10-12, 2 Peter 3:14 They are all deemed to be Israelites, whether by descent or by grafting in. Galatians 3:26-29
    They will be protected during the forthcoming Day of the Lord’s wrath, Joel 3:32, Isaiah 43:2, and the Lord will provide ways of transportation for them. Psalms 68:17, Psalms 107:1-32, Isaiah 66:20 They will gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 49:8-23, Zechariah 10:8-10, Jeremiah 31:8-9 The Lord will give them new names: Isaiah 62:1-5 and a new language: Zephaniah 3:9
     
  20. DaDad

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    Hey Keras,
    I don't see it from the verses you cite:

    Rev. 6:8 And I saw, and behold, a pale horse, and its rider’s name was Death, and Hades followed him; and they were given power over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by wild beasts of the earth.

    It seems the only other contributor would be those who receive the "mark of the beast", which die upon the advent of the Millennial Kingdom:

    Rev. 14:9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If any one worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also shall drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

    ... and are accounted as such:

    Luke 17:35 There will be two women grinding together; one will be taken and the other left.” 36, “Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left” 37 And they said to him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

    And if course one could postulate the number of people who receive the "mark of the beast":

    Rev. 13:16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

    ... which is an EXCELLENT point. -- Is this the premise you're suggesting?

    Thanks,
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