"Lord's Day" - According to the Scriptures alone

[EGW]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]I had been taught in my earlier years that Sunday is the Lord's Day. Everybody knows that, right? Well, one day I got a concordance and checked it out (that was in the days before the pc and Bible software). To my surprise, the words "Lord's day" were used only once in the entirety of the Bible. That was somewhat of a shocker. These words appear in Revelation 1:10. If you read Rev. 1:10, you will see that John the Revelator doesn't tell you which day it is. Therefore, you need to compare scripture with scripture.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Here. I'll do that now.
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[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial]"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words..." Isa 58:13-14 NIV.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]1. Sabbath = "My holy day" = Lord's holy day

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial]"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." Matt 12:8 NIV[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]2. "Lord of the Sabbath (day)"
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"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy... the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD... the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exo 20:8-11 KJV.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]3. "Sabbath (day) of the Lord"[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]If you don't like these findings that's your choice. At least you must acknowledge that "the Lord's day" is never said to be Sunday or the first day of the week, according to the Scriptures. Neither is it any other day you choose.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]I'm not posting this to tell you what to believe. But if you take the Bible as your only authority in religious matters, you need to adjust your reckoning.
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial](RC & EOare free to believe in the "authority" of their "Church" to change Divine Law or make up their own laws. Don't worry, I believe in religious freedom . But don't tell the rest of us that the Bible says Sunday is the Lord's Day. That's all. )
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[LittleLambofJesus]

I had been taught in my earlier years that Sunday is the Lord's Day. Everybody knows that, right? Well, one day I got a concordance and checked it out (that was in the days before the pc and Bible software). To my surprise, the words "Lord's day" were used only once in the entirety of the Bible. That was somewhat of a shocker. These words appear in Revelation 1:10. If you read Rev. 1:10, you will see that John the Revelator doesn't tell you which day it is. Therefore, you need to compare scripture with scripture.

Hi. Yep, I noticed that about 2 yrs ago when translating revelation.
I had heard somewhere the Passover was a "double sabbath" and JESUS even brought that up to the Judeans in Matt 24:19 concerning the Redemption and Wrath upon them. Interesting thread!!!!

Reve 1:9 I John, the brother of ye, and together-partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and endurance in Christ Jesus became in the island, the one being called "Patmos", thru the Word of the God/YHWH and the witness of Jesus Christ.
10 I became in Spirit in the Lord's day and I hear behind of me a sound, great, as a trumpet,

Matt 24:19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 "Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath.

.................This Sabbath was not the Saturday-Sabbath which begins on Friday evening. This was the High Holy Day Sabbath, which that year fell on a Thursday evening and Friday-DAY. In other words, the HOLY DAY Sabbath (Passover-Unleavened Bread) was followed by their 7th day Saturday-Sabbath, thereby having a double-Sabbath, back-to-back.

 

[squint]

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[FONT=Verdana, Arial]If you don't like these findings that's your choice. At least you must acknowledge that "the Lord's day" is never said to be Sunday or the first day of the week, according to the Scriptures. Neither is it any other day you choose.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]I'm not posting this to tell you what to believe. But if you take the Bible as your only authority in religious matters, you need to adjust your reckoning. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial](RC & EOare free to believe in the "authority" of their "Church" to change Divine Law or make up their own laws. Don't worry, I believe in religious freedom . But don't tell the rest of us that the Bible says Sunday is the Lord's Day. That's all. ) [/FONT]

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

Unfortunately MOST denominations NOW condemn others for not observing the sabbath or not observing on a certain day or not observing whatever subjective principles THEY determine MUST be observed to AVOID DAMNATION.

Jesus typified what is to happen on the REAL SABBATH that is to COME:

John 7:23
If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Does YOUR CHURCH do this, OR do they practice CONDEMNATION and self justifications ON THAT DAY as the PHARISEES did?

Making men EVERY WHIT WHOLE is the practice of Jesus ON the sabbath.

 

[EGW]

squint, I'd appreciate it if you could acknowledge that Sunday is not the Lord's Day, according to the scriptures.
In regard to some of your other comments: as I posted above, I believe in religious freedom. You'll get no anger from me.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

What is the meaning of this passage in Romans 5:14? Before Moses the Laws and Commandments hadn't been given so does this signify life didn't come until the LAW came? Just curious.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Romans 5:14 But reigns the Death from Adam to Moses, and/even upon the ones not sinning upon the likeness of the transgression/parabasewV <3847> of Adam, who is type who is being about.

Before the law came, no one was keeping the seventh day or Sabbath as a day of rest. During the time period from Adam to Moses there was no oral nor written law. No one had ever heard of keeping the Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath came with the Lord's commandment, and its observance is first recorded in Exodus 16 in connection with picking up the manna. They were to gather the manna daily for 6 days, but on the sixth day they were to gather enough for two days, for no manna would fall on the seventh day. Jesus said, "For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world...I am the bread of life...Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died." (Jn. 6:33,35a;49) He is the bread for the seventh day! This bread has nothing to do with works, for they did not gather food on that day! God is now providing food in the form of grace, and it is not dependent on works! And so it is that no Sabbath was kept until manna was provided. (Exod. 16).

 

[squint]

squint, I'd appreciate it if you could acknowledge that Sunday is not the Lord's Day, according to the scriptures.

Or you'll condemn me as a heretic?

Any reasonable study of the sabbath and it's meaning will yield FAR GREATER MEASURES than simple declarations of a certain day being the RIGHT day and then the practice of OPEN CONDEMNATION to ALL who disagree with "u."

In general terms, yes, I will agree that Saturday is still practiced as the Sabbath by the Jews, but of course their practices on that day are an entirely different matter than typical christian observances and of course THEY MISSED IT TOO!

In regard to some of your other comments: as I posted above, I believe in religious freedom. You'll get no anger from me.

Great. Then it shouldn't be a matter for divisions or condemnations to each other.

Their remains A SABBATH DAY entry for the people of God...and that day has NOT yet arrived...

Physical observance of any particular day are done in part to REMEBER His Promises:

Leviticus 23:3
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

The man healed on the sabbath picked up his bed of affliction and walked.

John 5:
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.

The man healed of blindness on the sabbath

John 9:
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

The common DENOMINATOR is that ON THE SABBATH, MANKIND IS HEALED...

And the oppressors are RIDDEN from the temple of their bodies. Mankind was HEALED. They were OPPRESSED of the DEVIL.

MANKIND will SEE. The devil will be BLINDED.

To those who THINK that they HONOR JESUS on the sabbath, there is ONLY ONE MEASURE:


"I receive not honour from men. But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you."

Any man in God's LOVE will NEVER condemn any man, and even LESS SO on the sabbath meant to show forth our FREEDOM.

enjoy!

squint

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by EGW
squint, I'd appreciate it if you could acknowledge that Sunday is not the Lord's Day, according to the scriptures.

Hi EGW. Are you Messianic or SDA? Just curious. You also could try the Messianic board for their view as supposedely they are more in tune with the Jewish/Hebrew Scriptures than us "gentiles" are.

http://christianforums.com/f34-the-messianic-forum.html

 

[EGW]

I feel your anger, squint.
This thread is about scriptures proclaiming which day is "the Lord's Day." Please don't continue to spam the thread with vitriol that derails the OP.

 

[New_Wineskin]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]I had been taught in my earlier years that Sunday is the Lord's Day. Everybody knows that, right? Well, one day I got a concordance and checked it out (that was in the days before the pc and Bible software). To my surprise, the words "Lord's day" were used only once in the entirety of the Bible. That was somewhat of a shocker. These words appear in Revelation 1:10. If you read Rev. 1:10, you will see that John the Revelator doesn't tell you which day it is. Therefore, you need to compare scripture with scripture.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Here. I'll do that now.[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial]"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words..." Isa 58:13-14 NIV.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]1. Sabbath = "My holy day" = Lord's holy day[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." Matt 12:8 NIV[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]2. "Lord of the Sabbath (day)"[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy... the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD... the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exo 20:8-11 KJV.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]3. "Sabbath (day) of the Lord"[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]If you don't like these findings that's your choice. At least you must acknowledge that "the Lord's day" is never said to be Sunday or the first day of the week, according to the Scriptures. Neither is it any other day you choose.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]I'm not posting this to tell you what to believe. But if you take the Bible as your only authority in religious matters, you need to adjust your reckoning. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial](RC & EOare free to believe in the "authority" of their "Church" to change Divine Law or make up their own laws. Don't worry, I believe in religious freedom . But don't tell the rest of us that the Bible says Sunday is the Lord's Day. That's all. ) [/FONT]

Wow !! You go on and on and don't even take your own advice . If you took the "bible" as your only authority , why do you use the word "bible" ? *I* checked it out with a concordance , as well - it isn't in there . But , you use the word over and over . You can do one thing while saying that you are another all you want - that is up to you . Just don't tell the rest of us that the "bible" says that the "bible" has authority . Jesus is *my* authority - I don't worship paper and ink .

 

[New_Wineskin]

Hi EGW. Are you Messianic or SDA? Just curious.

Whatever they are , they refuse to keep the Sabbath . They spit on the commands for keeping the Lord's holy day .

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Whatever they are , they refuse to keep the Sabbath . They spit on the commands for keeping the Lord's holy day .

Can you explain that statement.

 

[EGW]

I don't worship paper and ink .

Congratulations, I don't either.
I don't feel the love of a new wineskin but what I would expect of a busted old wineskin.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Congratulations, I don't either.
I don't feel the love of a new wineskin but what I would expect of a busted old wineskin.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 5:37 "And no one is casting Young Wine into Old/palaiouV <3820> Vessels, if yet no surely shall be ruined the Wine, the Young, of the vessels, and it shall be being poured-out and its vessel shall be perishing.
38 but Young/neon <3501> Wine into New/kainouV <2537> Vessels is to be cast and both are preserved together.
39 and no one driking Old immediately is willing Young, for he is saying, 'for the the Old is kind/mellow'".

Hebrews 8:13 in the to be saying `New/kainhn <2537>,' He hath made Old/pepalaiwken <3822> the Former. The yet being aged/palaioumenon <3822> and being obsolete/ghraskon <1095> nigh/egguV <1451> of disappearance/afanismou <854>

 

[EGW]

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Luke 5:37 "And no one is casting Young Wine into Old/palaiouV <3820> Vessels, if yet no surely shall be ruined the Wine, the Young, of the vessels, and it shall be being poured-out and its vessel shall be perishing.
38 but Young/neon <3501> Wine into New/kainouV <2537> Vessels is to be cast and both are preserved together.
39 and no one driking Old immediately is willing Young, for he is saying, 'for the the Old is kind/mellow'".

Hebrews 8:13 in the to be saying `New/kainhn <2537>,' He hath made Old/pepalaiwken <3822> the Former. The yet being aged/palaioumenon <3822> and being obsolete/ghraskon <1095> nigh/egguV <1451> of disappearance/afanismou <854>

Could you communicate your thought in language that a child could understand? In other words, huh?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Could you communicate your thought in language that a child could understand? In other words, huh?

That's LLOJ's style.

 

[Theophorus]

The Lord's day is a day of rest. EGW, have you come into that rest?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Lord's day is a day of rest. EGW, have you come into that rest?

As Curly would say "why cwertingly"

http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/lazarus.htm

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said: "Father Abraham! be you merciful to-me! and send Lazarus!, that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water, and should be cooling down the tongue of me,--that I am being pained/odunwmai <3600> (5743) in the flame, this."...................
29 Saying to him, Abraham: "They are having Moses and the Prophets: Let them hearken to them"!

Reve 14:11 And the Smoke of the Tormenting/basanismou <929> of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having Rest Day and Night

 

[EGW]

The Lord's day is a day of rest.

Does it include rest from human creeds and traditions that have no scriptural authority?

God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority--not one nor all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord" in its support.

 

[Theophorus]

Does it include rest from human creeds and traditions that have no scriptural authority?

God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority--not one nor all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord" in its support.

Well do you follow the masoretic text completed 1000 years after Christ, or the LXX, which He and the apostles quoted? And which council gave you your canon?

Do you hold the same beliefs as the one's God used to give you your bible?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does it include rest from human creeds and traditions that have no scriptural authority?

God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority--not one nor all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord" in its support.

Remember also, the Orthodox do not really read Revelation.

Acts 13:29 As yet they finish all-things the about Him having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772,) according-lifting from the wood they place into a tomb.

Revelation 1:3 Blessed the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and keepings in it/her having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772), for the Time Is-Near/egguV <1451>.