"Lord's Day" - According to the Scriptures alone

[ThomasDa]

Jesus, our Lord said that He was Lord of the Sabbath.
Said another way, the Sabbath is "The Lord's Day."

 

[Catholic Christian]

Remember also, the Orthodox do not really read Revelation.....

Open Mouth.
Insert foot.

 

[Catholic Christian]

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[EGW]

The thread title part that says "according to the scriptures alone" is a magnet for people who do NOT get their authority from the scriptures alone? Apparently so.

Will EO or RC be so brazen as to agree that the scriptures alone do not call the first day of the week, Sunday, the "Lord's Day" so that their "separated brethren" among Protestant and evangelical groups get the message?

See also http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/sunday-fraud.htm

 

[Catholic Christian]

The thread title part that says "according to the scriptures alone" is a magnet for people who do NOT get their authority from the scriptures alone? Apparently so.....

Because the premise of "Sola Scriptura" is a premise based on a false doctrine of men which nullifies the Word of God, and it must be combated at every opportunity.

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9703fea3.asp

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Remember also, the Orthodox do not really read Revelation.....

Open Mouth.
Insert foot.

Hi CC. Can you explain that for me? You also realize neither the Orthodox Jews or Muslims read that Book either so it must be purely and Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant only thing?

http://christianforums.com/t6920830-question-for-roman-catholics-only-on-parousia.html
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http://christianforums.com/t6831918-orthodox-and-catholics-on-book-of-revelation.html
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James 5:8 be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling.

 

[WailingWall]

Is the first chapter of revelations speaking of sunday when it mentions the Lord’s day? Or is it speaking about the Day of the Lord? When Jesus returns to set up His kingdom. Well, first of all ya should easily be able to figure that out by reading Revelations. Its mostly about the things that will happen on the “day of the Lord”, when Jesus returns, gets rid of the bad guys and sets up His 1000 yr period of rest. The scriptures below are speaking of the same exact things that will take place on the “day of the Lord”.

REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly

Yup. Both scriptures, most definately the Day of the Lord. Nothing at all to do with sunday worship.

 

[holdon]

Because the premise of "Sola Scriptura" is a premise based on a false doctrine of men which nullifies the Word of God, and it must be combated at every opportunity.

The premise of Scripture nullifies Scripture???? How is that possible?

 

[Catholic Christian]

Hi CC. Can you explain that for me?.....

You say that an ancient 2000 year old church doesn''t read an entire book of the Bible, and you need me to explain why that is the equivalent of sticking your foot in your mouth? Come on man, keep it real.

 

[Catholic Christian]

The premise of Scripture nullifies Scripture???? How is that possible?

Becuase "Sola Scriptura" is not found in the Bible, which is a beautiful irony I must say. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the SOLE rule of Christian teaching. But, that's where you end up when you break away from the 2000 year old Church Christ established.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Becuase "Sola Scriptura" is not found in the Bible, which is a beautiful irony I must say. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the SOLE rule of Christian teaching. But, that's where you end up when you break away from the 2000 year old Church Christ established.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Anything against the bible is not truth.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Is the first chapter of revelations speaking of sunday when it mentions the Lord&#8217;s day? Or is it speaking about the Day of the Lord? When Jesus returns to set up His kingdom. Well, first of all ya should easily be able to figure that out by reading Revelations. Its mostly about the things that will happen on the &#8220;day of the Lord&#8221;, when Jesus returns, gets rid of the bad guys and sets up His 1000 yr period of rest. The scriptures below are speaking of the same exact things that will take place on the &#8220;day of the Lord&#8221;.

REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly

Yup. Both scriptures, most definately the Day of the Lord. Nothing at all to do with sunday worship.

There is a significant problem with this premise, namely the interpretation that "the day of the Lord" that John was speaking of is a future event.
Notice that John says that he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. See the "was?" The translators clearly understood this passage to refer to an event that had already happened, ie past tense.

Yes, there will be a "day of the Lord," ie the parousia- but that is NOT what John was speaking of in Revelation.

BTW: It is Revelation singular, not Revelations plural.

 

[WailingWall]

There is a significant problem with this premise, namely the interpretation that "the day of the Lord" that John was speaking of is a future event.Notice that John says that he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. See the "was?" The translators clearly understood this passage to refer to an event that had already happened, ie past tense.Yes, there will be a "day of the Lord," ie the parousia- but that is NOT what John was speaking of in Revelation.
BTW: It is Revelation singular, not Revelations plural.

MARK 9 [1] And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall NOT TASTE OF DEATH, TILL THEY HAVE SEEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD come with power.[2] AND AFTER SIX DAYS Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them

Was transfigured...past tense

Theres only 1 Day of the Lord. Its not yet arrived
Theres only 1 Kingdom of God. Its not yet arrived

Using your logic, that also makes the Kingdom of God past tense. But of course its not.

you wrote
BTW: It is Revelation singular, not Revelations plural

Thanks a lots for thats corrections.

 

[holdon]

Becuase "Sola Scriptura" is not found in the Bible, which is a beautiful irony I must say. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the SOLE rule of Christian teaching.

What other teaching does the bible say there is???

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

What other teaching does the bible say there is???

2Th 2:15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Forgive me...

 

[holdon]

2Th 2:15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Forgive me...

Yes, that's what we have in the Scriptures. Or do you know of other words by Paul?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Yes, that's what we have in the Scriptures. Or do you know of other words by Paul?

You asked: "What other teaching does the bible say there is???"

The oral traditions are your answer... 2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.


Such as...

How to baptize. How to prepare communion.
How to hold a council and set down canonical law. (example ACTS 15)

etc etc

Forgive me...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is a significant problem with this premise, namely the interpretation that "the day of the Lord" that John was speaking of is a future event.
Notice that John says that he was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. See the "was?" The translators clearly understood this passage to refer to an event that had already happened, ie past tense.

Yes, there will be a "day of the Lord," ie the parousia- but that is NOT what John was speaking of in Revelation.

BTW: It is Revelation singular, not Revelations plural.

Hi Rdr. The Lord's day could be a Sabbath day possible such as after the Passover?

Btw, do you view revelation 19:11 as the Parousia/2nd coming of JESUS? Just curious.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him. [Zech 14:5]

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling.

http://christianforums.com/t6813701-question-time-jesus-returns-before-or-after-1000yrs.html

 

[EGW]

You asked: "What other teaching does the bible say there is???"

The oral traditions are your answer... 2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle...

http://biblelight.net/tradition-legate.htm

 

[PROPHECYKID]

We must remember that not all tradition are good. Paul knew the traditions he was talking about when he said to follow in the traditions of the apostles but we now must know what traditions are good. Onw clue Jesus gives us is that we must not follow traditions that go against the commandments of God.

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.