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"Lord's Day" - According to the Scriptures alone

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Rdr Iakovos

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MARK 9 [1] And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall NOT TASTE OF DEATH, TILL THEY HAVE SEEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD come with power.[2] AND AFTER SIX DAYS Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them

Was transfigured...past tense

Theres only 1 Day of the Lord. Its not yet arrived
Theres only 1 Kingdom of God. Its not yet arrived

Using your logic, that also makes the Kingdom of God past tense. But of course its not.

you wrote
BTW: It is Revelation singular, not Revelations plural

Thanks a lots for thats corrections.
That He was transifigued, was a "vision."
This, of course, has NOTHING to do with your treament of Revelation.

The fact is that John WAS in the spirit on the Lord's Day- Sunday- the day when He rose from the dead.
So, let's deal with the scripture, not preconceived notions from the recent tradition of (SDA) men.
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That He was transifigued, was a "vision."
This, of course, has NOTHING to do with your treament of Revelation.

The fact is that John WAS in the spirit on the Lord's Day- Sunday- the day when He rose from the dead.
So, let's deal with the scripture, not preconceived notions from the recent tradition of (SDA) men.
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And where does the scripture teach that the Lords day is Sunday?
 
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And where does the scripture teach that the Lords day is Sunday?
Please stop changing the subject- we can deal with the Lord's Day after you acknowledge your errant treatment of the passage from Revelation.
Do you in fact ackowledge your err?
(hint: tense)
 
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Please stop changing the subject- we can deal with the Lord's Day after you acknowledge your errant treatment of the passage from Revelation.
Do you in fact ackowledge your err?
(hint: tense)
That was not my doing. I was not talking about that. I did not pay attention to that much. That is you and Wailing Wall's issue.
 
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That was not my doing. I was not talking about that. I did not pay attention to that much. That is you and Wailing Wall's issue.
Very well- so when is the Lord's Day?
John, in Revelation: "Lord's Day" 95 AD
Ignatius, Sunday= Lord's Day, 105 AD

Ten years apart.

Also:
According to scripture, what day did the Lord of All rise from the dead? Saturdy? Monday? Wednesday?
What day was the collection taken? (first day)
 
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Very well- so when is the Lord's Day?
John, in Revelation: "Lord's Day" 95 AD
Ignatius, Sunday= Lord's Day, 105 AD

Man not bible.

According to scripture, what day did the Lord of All rise from the dead? Saturdy? Monday? Wednesday?
What day did God rest in the tomb?
Sunday? Monday? Tuesday?
Did he say that we should keep Sunday holy because he rose on that day. He never did but he did give us a ceremony to remember his death, and that is the communion service.

What day was the collection taken? (first day)

Why was the collection taken on that day is the more important question.
1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
1Co 16:4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Paul has instructed the church to meet on that day and collect these special offerings so that when he comes the church does not have to meet and collect them. If this was a regular practice he would have not needed to tell them to do that. And these offerings were special offerings that Paul would bring to Jerusalem to show how the gentiles churched appreciated and loved Christianity and would give to other churches.

Why didn't you try to at least challenge with with Acts 20:7.
 
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You asked: "What other teaching does the bible say there is???"

The oral traditions are your answer... 2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
Yes, those were Paul's words....

But are there any other of his words that are NOT in Scripture?
 
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Very well- so when is the Lord's Day?
John, in Revelation: "Lord's Day" 95 AD
Ignatius, Sunday= Lord's Day, 105 AD

Man not bible.
Does the Date really matter :scratch:
 
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Does the Date really matter :scratch:

Before I knew God's Love in expressed in Christ I sat in the pew, incognizant of "real" Love.

After I saw all these things as various reasonings the believers adhered to so they could condemn everyone else.
 
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Please stop changing the subject- we can deal with the Lord's Day after you acknowledge your errant treatment of the passage from Revelation. Do you in fact ackowledge your err?
(hint: tense)

I think you were directing that to me and not PK. I am not i err. Or should i say the scriptures are not in error. The 2 scriptures below are speaking of the same day. The Day of the Lord.

REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly

Unless of course you wanna believe that its simply a coincidence. A "trillion to one" shot that you would find clouds, trumpet, voice, DOL, crying in both scriptures and then claim those scriptures are talking of 2 different events. Give me a "yikes"! And given the fact that the book of Revelations is mainly about His 2nd coming, the Day of the Lord, i really cant see how (or why) you could miss that.
 
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial]"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words..." Isa 58:13-14 NIV.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]1. Sabbath = "My holy day" = Lord's holy day

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial]"For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." Matt 12:8 NIV[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial]2. "Lord of the Sabbath (day)"
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"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy... the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD... the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exo 20:8-11 KJV.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial]3. "Sabbath (day) of the Lord"[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]If you don't like these findings that's your choice. At least you must acknowledge that "the Lord's day" is never said to be Sunday or the first day of the week, according to the Scriptures. Neither is it any other day you choose.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]I'm not posting this to tell you what to believe. But if you take the Bible as your only authority in religious matters, you need to adjust your reckoning....[/FONT]
Forget Rev 1:10 for now.
 
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Forget Rev 1:10 for now.
Hi. Jesus most always spoke to a Jewish audience, even with the parables, and I am fascinated by that passage in revelation 14:11 concerning "Rest"

Could these possibly be a type of the Hebrew Israelites that fail to come to the True Sabbath rest that is in JESUS and instead cling to the OC Sabbath since the Jews were under the Mosaic Law. Thoughts? :wave:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon ye, and learn of me,--because, meek, am I and lowly, in heart, and ye shall find REST/anapausin <372> unto thine souls;

Reve 14:11 And the Smoke of the Tormenting of them is ascending into Ages to-Ages. And not they are having REST/ anapausin <372> Day and Night

http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/lazarus.htm
 
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Ignatius, Sunday= Lord's Day, 105 AD

Man not bible.
And the bible was written by- angels? Penguins?

The fact of the matter is that Ignatius- a disciple of John- used the term "Lord's Day to mean Sunday not ten years after John wrote Revelation.

The idea that John's disciple would depart from the view of what was in fact the Lord's Day taught him in ten years- well, it is not credible to believe so.

And again, we have ample reason to believe that Christians viewed Sunday as "the Lord's Day" from the beginning of the Church. It stands to reason, as the Christian gospel is in fact a new and first day.

Fact also remains that Christians vieewed Sunday as just that, up until a schismatic and self-styled restoration sect from the mid-19th century decided that Rome and all things Roman were of the antiChrist. From the same time and region sprung all sorts of unique interpretations of truth, from Millerism to Mormonism, from Fundamentalism to Pentecostalism, from Spiritualism to Lord knows what.

What day did God rest in the tomb?
Sunday? Monday? Tuesday?
Did he say that we should keep Sunday holy because he rose on that day. He never did but he did give us a ceremony to remember his death, and that is the communion service.
He didn't order a "communion service," but here you reference it as if He did. He said "whenever you gather."
He left no strict instructions about doing communion on Saturday- and in fact, we know that the early Christians went to synagoogue on Sabbath. Do you suppose that they were celebrating communion with the unbelieving Jews in the synagogue, or when they gathered together on the first day- which we KNOW that the early Christians did exactly that.


Why was the collection taken on that day is the more important question.
1Co 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
1Co 16:3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
1Co 16:4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Paul has instructed the church to meet on that day and collect these special offerings so that when he comes the church does not have to meet and collect them. If this was a regular practice he would have not needed to tell them to do that. And these offerings were special offerings that Paul would bring to Jerusalem to show how the gentiles churched appreciated and loved Christianity and would give to other churches.

Why didn't you try to at least challenge with with Acts 20:7.
You say WHY is "more important," and should I agree because you say so?
Or is the 'why' even germaine to this discussion?
No.
Fact of the matter is, as demonstrated by scripture, Christians gathered together on the first day to break bread AND, as we see, to take collection.
Care to argue the Greek on this? We never ceased reading the scriptures in the Greek.
Happy to oblige.
 
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