Look at what this sheriff had to say...

[selfinflikted]

^This. Times 10.

I've said it earlier in the thread that I don't think this sheriff is a racist, I'm saying it now that I don't think the OP is racist either.

I think what the OP and the sheriff fail to see is that, if Blacks are statistically having more abortions than other races, it's safe to say they're probably not totally against abortion in general. They, for the most part, seem to not share the same feelings toward abortion that the OP or the sheriff.

To the Black community (or part of it. I hate to generalise), this doesn't seem hypocritical when they say "blacklivesmatter".

I'm not entirely sure if I agree or disagree with that.

RACIST!!!!1111one


(bolding mine)

(apparently, we aren't allowed to use pronouns to refer to the black community )

 

[PreachersWife2004]

RACIST!!!!1111one


(bolding mine)

(apparently, we aren't allowed to use pronouns to refer to the black community )

eh, he didn't say "those people". He's fine.

 

[selfinflikted]

Thank you.



I certainly understand that many people don't feel abortion is wrong. But the bottom line is that it stops a life. Think of what would happen if every single black woman exercised her right to have an abortion.

The reason I found this article so interesting is that it was a BLACK person who felt this way. I honestly wouldn't have thought twice about it if it was a white person.

Again, many people see a HUGE difference between aborting a potential person and killing a person person.

 

[selfinflikted]

eh, he didn't say "those people". He's fine.

Ah, dangit. I thought I was being clever.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Again, many people see a HUGE difference between aborting a potential person and killing a person person.

I do understand that.

Again, what would happen if every black woman exercised her right to an abortion?

 

[selfinflikted]

I do understand that.

Again, what would happen if every black woman exercised her right to an abortion?

There would be fewer black people?

 

[Belk]

I don't disagree that they should protest when someone is unfairly killed by cops. I think EVERYONE should protest that.

But don't say #blacklivesmatter only when blacks are killed by police.

No one is asking them address every other issue under the sun. They are being asked to consider the multiple ways that black people die and that being killed by cops is the LEAST way they are being killed.

Do you think they are unaware that other forms of death exist? The whole reason for the #blacklivesmatter campaign is to bring awareness to this one issue. Saying that people must address other issues or be hypocrites looks like nothing more then a way to dismiss the campaign. Do those other things matter? Yes of course. But this is to bring awareness to one particular issue. Trying to focus on other issues is nothing but a distraction.

 

[Belk]

I do understand that.

Again, what would happen if every black woman exercised her right to an abortion?

The same thing that would happen if they were all celibate?

 

[chapmic]

RACIST!!!!1111one


(bolding mine)

(apparently, we aren't allowed to use pronouns to refer to the black community )

Wow, hilarious. You were one of the few posters I thought would attempt to be intellectually honest and admit maybe you spoke to soon but I see I was wrong. Instead you got hung up on "these people" and didn't give your honest opinion of the whole rant I posted. Now people are backtracking from their statement, which was brought up on the 1st page. People want to pretend that that's what they were saying all along. Tragically hilarious. Thank you Euler and Seven and other posters I forgot to mention for seeing the fallacy in the logic from the get go. And there is nothing wrong with admitting fault or saying I misspoke before, a person who does that on this board can be seen as an intellectually honest person who is more interested in reviewing facts that were unknown before and gaining insight for a more informed opinion.

 

[selfinflikted]

Wow, hilarious. You were one of the few posters I thought would attempt to be intellectually honest and admit maybe you spoke to soon but I see I was wrong. Instead you got hung up on "these people" and didn't give your honest opinion of the whole rant I posted. Now people are backtracking from their statement, which was brought up on the 1st page. People want to pretend that that's what they were saying all along. Tragically hilarious. Thank you Euler and Seven and other posters I forgot to mention for seeing the fallacy in the logic from the get go. And there is nothing wrong with admitting fault or saying I misspoke before, a person who does that on this board can be seen as an intellectually honest person who is more interested in reviewing facts that were unknown before and gaining insight for a more informed opinion.

You're new here, so I'll just let this slide.

How/when/where did I misspeak?

 

[humbleServant77]

The level of logic on display here is unthinkable. Do you know how many things people of all races should be protesting but aren't?

Like I saw in my previous post, a woman choosing to have an abortion is a right, getting wrongly killed by the police isn't. And how someone can compare the two is beyond me.

Hey, this is America. We ALL have the right to be wrongly killed by the Police!

 

[humbleServant77]

But yeah, I get it, we're all supposed to feel the life of a cute cuddly maybe-eventually-will-be-a-baby is way more important than than of a scary black teenager. And because of that we should allow a police propagandist to distract us from the increasing militarization and brutality of police.

Wow. That is what the OP said? This is what passes for logic in these parts?

I'm in the wrong place. How do I rescind my membership?

 

[TheDag]

Ok, then talk about the protestors, talk about the individuals that were in the wrong. Do not overgeneralize a whole race of people, because of the color of their skin. Your post insinuates that Black people in general are hypocrites, Black people have different opinions and not all agree on how the protesters are behaving. Use more specific words to differentiate between who you are talking about. You do not know each and every protester and for all you know some of them protest against abortion too. If you are against abortion fine work against abortion but calling out other protesters does not help your cause at all. You think that Sheriff spends hours protesting against abortion? He only commented on this to verbally attack the protesters to keep the media on them and people are falling for it.

No that is your personal opinion of what has been said. You are reading that into it.

Fine, ignore the "these" but you are saying agree with that concept? That atheists do not care about atheists lives?

you may want to consider carefully before you make false accusations. There is nothing wrong with using the word "these" to refer to a particular group. "These" is not automatically a derogatory term. "These people do great work" is a sentence I have heard numerous times in speeches and it was always said as praise. You are making the assumption that the word these is automatically bad. It is simply referring to group using the hashtag Black Lives Matter. Nothing more nothing less. If you have some evidence that it was meant in a racist way then please present the evidence.

Wow, hilarious. You were one of the few posters I thought would attempt to be intellectually honest and admit maybe you spoke to soon but I see I was wrong. Instead you got hung up on "these people" and didn't give your honest opinion of the whole rant I posted. Now people are backtracking from their statement, which was brought up on the 1st page. People want to pretend that that's what they were saying all along. Tragically hilarious. Thank you Euler and Seven and other posters I forgot to mention for seeing the fallacy in the logic from the get go. And there is nothing wrong with admitting fault or saying I misspoke before, a person who does that on this board can be seen as an intellectually honest person who is more interested in reviewing facts that were unknown before and gaining insight for a more informed opinion.

Cool well lets see if you can do that then!

Oh and if you repeatedly post the exact same thing with a certain word bolded by yourself then it is perfectly reasonable for people to assume that is what you have an issue with. If that is not what you had the issue with then the fault lies with you for bolding (and emphasising) the wrong part of text. Don't blame that on others.

 

[TheDag]

Why exactly are blacks the subject of this thread?

you made a mistake in your post. You used the scratching head pic instead of a sarcasm one. It really is very simple to understand why and does not require much education at all to understand why. So one has to ask why are people choosing to deliberately not see the reason?

 

[TheDag]

And as others have said, this is only an issue if you share the feeling that abortion is murder.

But yeah, I get it, we're all supposed to feel the life of a cute cuddly maybe-eventually-will-be-a-baby is way more important than than of a scary black teenager. And because of that we should allow a police propagandist to distract us from the increasing militarization and brutality of police. Nothing questionable about that sort of emotional appeal.

Sorry but you have missed the point. The post you responded to is pointing out why this thread is about blacks. What one thinks of abortion has absolutely nothing to do with that. Some people are choosing to pretend they don't understand why it is the case for this thread. That is what is disingenuous.

 

[TheDag]

It's sickening because you apparently feel it's okay for human beings to be beaten, murdered, and mistreated because not as many people as you personally think there should be (and who, in the vast majority of cases, are in no way involved with the former victims) are out protesting for your pet cause.

Well that's certainly the message I get from the OP

No that is the message you choose to see in the OP. It is not the message I see. I don't agree with what the bloke said but that most certainly is not the message given.

Violent crime has generally been decreasing over the last 50 years

but has anti-social behaviour decreased and also more to the point of the claim Has anti-social behaviour become more acceptable in society generally? Note anti-social behaviour is not always violent. Illegal graffitti is anti-social but is not violent for example.

 

[TheDag]

This blog has proven time and again that abortion targets the Black community. Stats released by the CDC again prove that minorities are killed by abortion in disproportionate numbers. In fact, according to the most recent numbers, 36.2% of the total number of abortions recorded for race or ethnicity were reported on Black women.

This to me says there appears to be inequality and more black people are left with a tough choice to make due to lack of support. That is an issue that should be addressed.

 

[TheDag]

Then as I said before, please don't put yourself in the position of protesting over black deaths by police, while you're also picketing an abortion clinic!

I guess, in your mind, to do so would make you a hypocrite.

And the rest of us will also continue to do what we think is right.

Oh, by the way. I certainly hope you don't mourn the deaths of our servicemen in their duties around the world?

Because the majority of those deaths are white. The majority of aborted fetuses are white. So, using your 'logic' once again, any white person who mourns those white servicemen deaths would be a hypocrite.

Right?

No you have made up your own version of Preachers Wifes logic. You have not used her logic. You have also failed to address one of the points she made about the numbers. I guess it doesn't suit you. It is very simple maths. If one out of every ten residents is black but in that same area the percentage of people who have an abortion are black is the same as white or close even then it is actually a far greater percentage of blacks compared to the population demographic of the area. Of course that does not take into consideration age and other factors but it is simple enough math that anybody with basic maths skills should be able to comprehend.

 

[TheDag]

I imagine the people at abortion clinics are there under their own volition. No one puts a gun to somebody's head and forces them to get an abortion.

So a individual makes a choice that determines an outcome.

On the other hand, when I get stopped by the police, I don't get to decide what kind of officer I have to deal with.... and he always has a gun.

I'm not an idiot. I know that a lot of it is up to me and how I act and obviously, the things I may involve myself in are going to dictate how I feel and act around police. Thankfully, I don't generally get nervous or worry about police because I don't get involved in illegal activities.

and once again an individual makes a choice that determines the outcome. Yeah totally different!

But I don't like the idea of police thinking they can kill people and not face any kind of penalty for doing so because... hey, it's just part of the job.
No. It's not part of the job to be judge, jury and executioner. The job is to bring criminals to a court of law to be tried by a jury.

Yes they are supposwed to arrest people so they go to court. However it is also recognised that they can find themselves in situations where they need to shoot and that is allowed. Do some shoot unnecesarily? I'm sure they do and I'm sure it would not be hard to find a situation where police have and in those cases they should be bought to justice. What we should not do is automatically condemn police simply because they have shot but rather find out the facts first.

 

[TheDag]

The level of logic on display here is unthinkable. Do you know how many things people of all races should be protesting but aren't?

Like I saw in my previous post, a woman choosing to have an abortion is a right, getting wrongly killed by the police isn't. And how someone can compare the two is beyond me.

are people comparing being wrongly killed? Some of these protests are protesting at legitimate justified police actions. Not every shooting is justified of course so don't even think about claiming otherwise but we should look at each case by itself and assess the actions. In the case of Brown the action was justified. In the case of the kid with the toy gun while the shooting itself was following training and procedure the cops did the wrong thing by eliminating all other options by stopping so close giving the cop on the passenger side nowhere to go. So those cops should have action taken against them while Wilson should not.
Secondly they should look at other methods that could help the police and avoid some situations. Profiling does happen because it is a useful tool and can assist in drug related cases and other things it is not healthy to be profiling by race as that causes more problems than any potential benefits.

This only shows they don't know the difference between what is a right, and what isn't. But that is them, they did not make your post, you did. So I'm asking where is your logic.

yet you still ignore one point because you find it easier to counter the other point.

If you say so. But don't whites have abortions also? People make it about race when they single out a race as the sole perpetrator of a specific act.

You do know this same argument can be made for white mothers that have abortions? So why were they left out? So does Asians, Hispanics, etc..

Well there is a perfectly logical explanation for that. Since you are claiming others logic is poor you should be able to explain it quite easily. Well actually you shouldn't even be asking this question as you should understand the simple logical explanation already.

The difference I see is that she only has a problem with blacks having an abortion. Shouldn't she and the sheriff have a problem with all race of women having abortions?

nope that is you reading what you want to see written rather than what has actually been said.