Liz Cheney GOP Challenger says he impregnated 14-year-old when he was 18

[98cwitr]

Liz is trying to get the eyes off her. Aint gonna work.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

1. Gross, 18 year olds shouldn't be having sex with 14 year olds. I really don't know how anyone can defend that. And if she was pregnant at 14, perhaps it was going on earlier when she was 13. Is anyone teaching teen boys NOT to molest or manipulate much younger teen girls ?

2. Romeo and juliet ends with both of them committing suicide.

I don’t know how people can defend Anthony Bouchard. It is surprising how in this forum people say “ oh teenage kids does this kind of things, but he did marry her at the end “.

I remember after the Access Hollywood tape came out and so many said “ yea it is bad but man talk like that, it’s not a big deal”

Really ? I am in my mid 40s and I can honestly say I never spoke in that kind of language. I can honestly say I don’t know any man in my family who speak in that language about sex or woman. I can honestly say I don’t know any friend of mine who speak in that language about sex or woman. I work for a Christian organization ( NPO) and I can honestly say I don’t know any man in my office who speak in that language about sex or woman. I am sure over the years I met man who would speak in that language but I never spent time with man with this kind of character, so I never heard any one speak in this language, it is not normal to me that man talk in this kind of language because I didn’t mingle with man with this kind of character. This kind of talk or behavior is not “normal” to me.

So when good Christian say “ oh teen talks like this or teenage man behave like this”. It just show who they are. When they defend the indefensible, it just expose their character.

“Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.”

 

[Kratzo]

Liz is trying to get the eyes off her. Aint gonna work.

Who would you vote for if you had to pick between the two?

 

[98cwitr]

Who would you vote for if you had to pick between the two?

Fairly solid anti-abortion, pro-2A legislation proposals in Wyoming: Anthony Bouchard - Ballotpedia

Cheney, on the other hand seems to care for the lives of grizzly bears more than protecting the lives of the unborn, or aiding in securing the inalienable rights of Americans: Liz Cheney

So, without any further hesitation, I'd vote for Bouchard in a heartbeat. Policies changes lives, that should be the focus of our motivations for a candidate IMO.

I did some pretty despicable things at 18 myself, should I be judged for them now, having repented of them? I find it rather ironic that from the same mouths that ask "Who are we to judge?" comes damnation and judgement.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Fairly solid anti-abortion, pro-2A legislation proposals in Wyoming: Anthony Bouchard - Ballotpedia

Cheney, on the other hand seems to care for the lives of grizzly bears more than protecting the lives of the unborn, or aiding in securing the inalienable rights of Americans: Liz Cheney

So, without any further hesitation, I'd vote for Bouchard in a heartbeat. Policies changes lives, that should be the focus of our motivations for a candidate IMO.

I did some pretty despicable things at 18 myself, should I be judged for them now, having repented of them? I find it rather ironic that from the same mouths that ask "Who are we to judge?" comes damnation and judgement.

Yet Cheney won her seat 3 times. In past 3 elections her record was good enough to win and republican had no issue voting for her 3 times. But now that she is not with Trump, she is a bad republican and lefty loony who care about “grizzly bears” more then unborn babies. We all can see how much republican cared about unborn babies in past 3 elections.

 

[98cwitr]

Yet Cheney won her seat 3 times. In past 3 elections her record was good enough to win and republican had no issue voting for her 3 times. But now that she is not with Trump, she is a bad republican and lefty loony who care about “grizzly bears” more then unborn babies. We all can see how much republican cared about unborn babies in past 3 elections.

Money talks, and incumbency has value. I'll admit, I knew little of either of these two until recently. I was asked who I would vote for between them, and I gave my answer and the reasons behind it. That is all.


I think we can boil the GOP-divide down to following equation:

Trump = anti-swamp
anti-Trump = swamp

To the pro-Trump side of the GOP faction, anyone against Trump is pro-swamp. Fair assessment, or too simplistic?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I did some pretty despicable things at 18 myself, should I be judged for them now, having repented of them? I find it rather ironic that from the same mouths that ask "Who are we to judge?" comes damnation and judgement.

At least you admit they were despicable.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Money talks, and incumbency has value. I'll admit, I knew little of either of these two until recently. I was asked who I would vote for between them, and I gave my answer and the reasons behind it. That is all.


I think we can boil the GOP-divide down to following equation:

Trump = anti-swamp
anti-Trump = swamp

To the pro-Trump side of the GOP faction, anyone against Trump is pro-swamp. Fair assessment, or too simplistic?

Money talks, and thirty pieces are quite persuasive.

 

[Pommer]

Liz is trying to get the eyes off her. Aint gonna work.

Wow, she must be Svengali, getting Bouchard to tell on himself.

 

[98cwitr]

Wow, she must be Svengali, getting Bouchard to tell on himself.

Or Bouchard had enough integrity to be forthcoming and confessional? Maybe?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Or Bouchard had enough integrity to be forthcoming and confessional? Maybe?

This is discussed in the OP. The Daily Mail was about to run a story on the situation, using a Trump-allied Republican source, and Bouchard beat them to the wire.

 

[Pommer]

Or Bouchard had enough integrity to be forthcoming and confessional? Maybe?

I’ve a feeling that the GOP aren’t “sending their best”, followed quickly by the feeling that they are!

 

[TLK Valentine]

Or Bouchard had enough integrity to be forthcoming and confessional? Maybe?

Wow, the man's a real hero. I can see how he fits in with the GOP.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

I still don't know how anyone can defend what he did and be okay with voting for him for anything, sorry.

It's not a question of defending what he did. He shouldn't have done what he did. As far as voting for him, it's really quite simple. His personal life is personal. It's not relevant to the office he's seeking. I'm also taking issue with the attempts to paint him as a criminal. He isn't, legally or morally.

If you're suggesting Bouchard is a better person than his dead child bride, well... it's a shame we don't have her around to make the comparison.

I'm suggesting that his ex-wife's suicide (she was then neither a child nor a bride) was a greater moral wrong than anything Bouchard did. I'm judging actions, not people. Suicide is worse than premarital sex.

And legal is all that a Christian needs to show their support. I'll remember that in the next abortion or SSM debate.

It was Elliewaves who based her argument on Bouchard being legally an adult. Of course, morally, we know that nothing magical happens on your 18th birthday. Morally, what we have was an adolescent boy having sex with an adolescent girl. Sure, that's not right, but we really should take the whole story into account. He gets her pregnant, and he tries to do right by her and the child by marrying her and and starting a family. That's not the action of a criminal. Usually when a teenage girl gets pregnant, the father doesn't stick around.

Liz is trying to get the eyes off her. Aint gonna work.

It'll be old news by next year.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm suggesting that his ex-wife's suicide (she was then neither a child nor a bride) was a greater moral wrong than anything Bouchard did. I'm judging actions, not people. Suicide is worse than premarital sex.

Having already dismissed the idea that being a child bride may have contributed to her suicide (you know, the notion that actions have consequences), one is left but nothing but to admire Bouchard's superior... "strength of character," I believe the phrase was?

I have no doubt he will be warmly welcomed in the GOP as soon as he defeats Cheney. Because defying Donald is worse than premarital sex with a child.

 

[wing2000]

Liz is trying to get the eyes off her. Aint gonna work.

Yea, Liz committed the unpardonable sin. She held her party accountable....

 

[Oneiric1975]

Perhaps you can explain to us how an apparently criminal act committed by someone when he was 18 reflects on the entire GOP?

...Judge Roy Moore
...Matt Gaetz
...

 

[Oneiric1975]

I'm suggesting that his ex-wife's suicide (she was then neither a child nor a bride) was a greater moral wrong than anything Bouchard did. I'm judging actions, not people. Suicide is worse than premarital sex.

Words fail.

 

[Elliewaves]

It's not a question of defending what he did. He shouldn't have done what he did. As far as voting for him, it's really quite simple. His personal life is personal. It's not relevant to the office he's seeking. I'm also taking issue with the attempts to paint him as a criminal. He isn't, legally or morally.



I'm suggesting that his ex-wife's suicide (she was then neither a child nor a bride) was a greater moral wrong than anything Bouchard did. I'm judging actions, not people. Suicide is worse than premarital sex.



It was Elliewaves who based her argument on Bouchard being legally an adult. Of course, morally, we know that nothing magical happens on your 18th birthday. Morally, what we have was an adolescent boy having sex with an adolescent girl. Sure, that's not right, but we really should take the whole story into account. He gets her pregnant, and he tries to do right by her and the child by marrying her and and starting a family. That's not the action of a criminal. Usually when a teenage girl gets pregnant, the father doesn't stick around.



It'll be old news by next year.

It's not really an argument that he was legally an adult having sex with a 14 year old (and probably when she was 13) girl. It's the truth of the matter. He was 18, a legal adult, and she was 14, a minor child, when she became pregnant. It was not really consensual or any sort of level playing field. Yes, the laws in Florida were blurry, but yes this was morally wrong for him to seek out sex with a 14 year old girl. The private lives of those running for office (any party) should matter especially if it's especially messy, grossly inappropriate, and has harmed children. I wouldn't vote for an independent or a democratic child rapist at all. This guy's past is an argument against child rape made normal/okay by child marriage.

 

[essentialsaltes]

In 1980, the nascent Christian Right made their peace with Reagan being divorced and remarried.

My how slippery that slope seems to have become!