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does it have thought and feeling and awareness. if so then every time you eat a carrot you are committing murder?
Could not disagree more. Do you consider paradise to be no thoughts, no feeling and no awareness? Were Jesus' words to the thief on the cross empty platitudes?
Just as the body goes through stages of development, so too does the soul and spirit. We are created in the womb as a whole person.
So if the pregnant woman loses her child it is considered the loss of a soul. That tells me that the infant in her womb is a person, regardless of what stage of development they are at.
This is one reason why the Orthodox Church does not support IVF. We consider a fertilised ovum as a living person.
That right there alone proves it. Let alone. Why would a loving God who chose to create us want us to be killed before being able to grow and live the life he created for us. I know there are questionable hard situations that come up. But most the time is just selfish life styles living frivolously.
that proves that God had foreknowledge or it proves that Jeremiah existed prior to entering the body. It does prove that life begins a conception. which is the question on the table
The bottom line is that we don’t know that it doesn’t begin at conception, or exactly when it might begin otherwise. So abortion is a no-no unless for serious medical reasons; it’s a hands off matter: God’s territory.
We do know that it does not begin at conception, because God tells us that it does not begin @ conception. The Scripture is very clear That we are Body, Soul & Spirit (1Thess 5:23), " The body without the spirit is dead" (James 2:26) simple question, at conception do you have a body? NO. Then you are not alive. Do you have a Body,Soul and Spirit at conception? NO not a person. Scripture is very Clear that the spirit of God must come into the body to become a living soul. Gen 2:7. Simple question, is the spirit of God in the body at conception? NO, How do we know because you don't have a body. There is nothing for the spirit to enter because it must inhabit something and since there is nothing to inhabit it cannot be alive.
Even is any of this amounted to more than speculation about piecemeal isolated passages that were never intended to pertain to the topic, we're still left with the simple question: when does conception take place? When are we murdering a human and when are we not??
conception is not the issue, that takes place at fertlization & implantation. maybe that was an error but it is not accurate. The issue is when does a person become a person and alive. most people say conception, the scripture does not say conception. That is an interpretation & application of Scripture based on Assumption that it already says that. it does not.
Yes, that was an error. Reading it to mean "when does personhood occur?" changes nothing though. The same question remains, "When are we murdering a human and when are we not??"
no it is not guess work. it is precise. you look at the text and then you look at the evidence and you ask if this condition matches what is described in the text. if no then you are not alive, if yes then you are. very simple, very precise. not that hard. don't make it harder then it has to be.
