Life begin @ conception????

[fhansen]

not it is not guess work. it is precise. you look at the text and then you look at the evidence and you ask if this condition matches what is described in the text. if no then you are not alive, if yes then you are. very simple, very precise. not that hard. don't make it harder then it has to be.

No. A body is simply a physical being, regardless of stage of development. A zygote becomes an embryo becomes a fetus and there's no single magical differentiating point where one is wholly only the one and not the next. The authors of the Scripture you quote were simply not addressing this issue anyway. Precise...right.

So, in regard to abortion, "When are we murdering a human and when are we not??"

 

[Adventist Dissident]

No. A body is simply a physical being, regardless of stage of development. A zygote becomes an embryo becomes a fetus and there's no single magical differentiating point where one is wholly only the one and not the next. The authors of the Scripture you quote were simply not addressing this issue anyway. Precise, right.

So, in regard to abortion, "When are we murdering a human and when are we not??"

they may not be addressing the issue of abortion, but they were giving an accurate understanding of biology and human development. so it can be used to understand the different stages.

 

[fhansen]

they may not be addressing the issue of abortion, but they were giving an accurate understanding of biology and human development. so it can be used to understand the different stages.

Yes, of course, quite the precise scientific understanding they had there.

 

[RJ Howard]

Well, here is a hint.

Jerimiah 1: 4-5 The word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Just think of it this way, if your parents decided to abort you as a fetus and could somehow see what life would be like if you were born years later, then they'd probably feel bad about it. I know mine would have felt that way.

 

[Clare73]

1. Please explain where in the Bible the passage that states life begins at conception is, I cannot find it anywhere.
2. Please explain how you came to the conclusion that life begin at conception, if you don't have a bible passage.
Note: this is not about your view on abortion, weather you are pro life or pro choice. This is about HOW you come to the conclusion and WHERE you get your beliefs from.

It's biology, not Bible.

First of all, it is life in the biological definition of life.

Secondly, the one-celled human zygote, which is the union of egg and sperm, has all the chromosomes and all the genetic DNA for all the developments of the human person throughout his entire life.
Nothing needs to be added to it nor subtracted from it.
It is human at conception, and it is life at conception. . .it is human life at conception.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

It's biology, not Bible.

First of all, it is life in the biological definition of life.

Secondly, the one-celled human zygote, which is the union of egg and sperm, has all the chromosomes and all the genetic DNA for all the developments of the human person throughout his entire life.
Nothing needs to be added to it nor subtracted from it.
It is human at conception, and it is life at conception. . .it is human life at conception.

thank-you for your thoughts, but the question is about Biblical Support for life beginning at conception, not biological suppositions on the matter.

 

[Clare73]

thank-you for your thoughts, but the question is about Biblical Support for life beginning at conception, not biological suppositions on the matter.

Okay. . .just curious about the need for Biblical support when you have natural support, kinda' like Biblical support for the law of gravity.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Okay. . .just curious about the need for Biblical support when you have natural support, kinda' like Biblical support for the law of gravity.

this is christian forums. Christian say that it is part of there faith, that life begins at conception, yet from the scripture there is no statement that directly says that. so i must conclude that it is an interpretation of some passage. When I look at the passages none of them say that life begins at conception. So how did they come up with it?

 

[prodromos]

simple question, at conception do you have a body?

Yes. You have a very immature body that has a lot of growth and development ahead of it.

 

[prodromos]

thank-you for your thoughts, but the question is about Biblical Support for life beginning at conception, not biological suppositions on the matter.

But that is all you are giving, your thoughts. You may quote some verses from Scripture but you are again giving your thoughts on how you believe those verses support your position. I don't agree with your interpretation of Scripture and I have seen that you don't agree with mine. Your opinion is no better supported by Scripture than anybody else's here.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Yes. You have a very immature body that has a lot of growth and development ahead of it.

ps 136:16, NO, the body is unformed. there are stages to development. the material matter is unformed and not alive, like in Gen 2:7, Ps. 139:16

 

[Adventist Dissident]

But that is all you are giving, your thoughts. You may quote some verses from Scripture but you are again giving your thoughts on how you believe those verses support your position. I don't agree with your interpretation of Scripture and I have seen that you don't agree with mine. Your opinion is no better supported by Scripture than anybody else's here.

This is about scripture about biology, not about biology. She was not offering an interpretation of Scripture. so I asked her to stay on topic. I don't see where the problem is, yes there are intrepretation and opinions, that is what we do here but one must play by the rules.

 

[Clare73]

this is christian forums. Christian say that it is part of there faith, that life begins at conception, yet from the scripture there is no statement that directly says that. so i must conclude that it is an interpretation of some passage. When I look at the passages none of them say that life begins at conception. So how did they come up with it?

Don't you think you should ask them?

I'll take a shot at it. . .anything that grows is alive, the fertilized egg at conception grows, therefore, it is life.

And their faith is that it is murder to take innocent human life.

 

[Clare73]

ps 136:16, NO, the body is unformed. there are stages to development. the
material matter is unformed and not alive, like in Gen 2:7, Ps. 139:16

Your acquaintance with biology limps somewhat.

If it grows, it's alive.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Don't you think you should ask them?

I'll take a shot at it. . .anything that grows is alive, the fertilized egg at conception grows, therefore, it is life.

And their faith is that it is murder to take innocent human life.

so cutting your hair is murder? it grows. So cutting your nails is murder? They Grow. Picking a flower or eating a carrot is murder because you have to kill it? just because something is growing does not mean it is alive. it may be a biological machine, with instruction imbeded in it. make that case that it is more than that. It cannot be made from the scriptures and it cannot be made from the physical evidence.

 

[Clare73]

so cutting your hair is murder? it grows. So cutting your nails is murder? They Grow. Picking a flower or eating a carrot is murder because you have to kill it? just because something is growing does not mean it is alive. it may be a biological machine, with instruction imbeded in it. make that case that it is more than that. It cannot be made from the scriptures and it cannot be made from the physical evidence.

Good catch. . .change it to "develops" as it grows.

Development is only one of the five to seven biological requirements for life, with which you are unacquainted.
The human zygote is human life according to the science of biology.

And read again the definition I gave for "murder."

 

[prodromos]

ps 136:16, NO, the body is unformed. there are stages to development. the material matter is unformed and not alive, like in Gen 2:7, Ps. 139:16

That is your interpretation of psalms 139:6, while ripping it out of context.
Only Adam was made in the manner of Genesis 2:7, as a fully mature man. That verse can in no way be used to describe the manner in which God creates every subsequent human after Adam and Eve.

 

[TedT]

Only Adam was made in the manner of Genesis 2:7, as a fully mature man. That verse can in no way be used to describe the manner in which God creates every subsequent human after Adam and Eve.

Just because the method is spoken about only in the context of Adam is NOT proof that it only applies to Adam.

Mat 13:36-39 tells us that BOTH the people, sons, of the kingdom and the people, sons, of the evil one are SOWN into this world. Sown cannot mean to create because the devil sows as well as the Son of Man and he can't create.

Might this being sown relate to being breathed into a body?

Of interest to Catholics, please consider:
The Wisdom of Solomon 8:20(NEB) As a child, I was born to excellence and a noble soul fell to my lot; or rather, I myself was noble, and I entered into an unblemished body...
(JB) I was a boy of happy disposition. I had received a good soul as my lot, or that, being good, I had entered an undefiled body.

 

[prodromos]

Just because the method is spoken about only in the context of Adam is NOT proof that it only applies to Adam.

None of us are created with a fully mature body, so it is blindingly obvious that it only applies to Adam (and Eve).

 

[Clare73]

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