"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[USincognito]

Science says so.
They discovered the high tech nano technological systems that operate interdependently in a cell.

"They" who?

A piece of extremely complex machinery humanity can not even reproduce, let alone design and manufacture and start up.

More incredulity.

 

[USincognito]

I'm not an expert, but it basically boils down to random mutations in the DNA, in information technology known as data corruption.

You should just have stopped with the part in blue.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I made a verifiable claim about a matter of public record -- that I've been studying evolution that occurred within the last three years. You are unable to refute that claim, and so you resort to a content-free dismissal. What exactly do you think you're accomplishing this way?

You made a claim I said it was a claim. Refute what? Prove the claim or get off the pot. What a petty complaint you just raised. Did you want to prove something with yours study? Feel free to do so, bring it out here and present your case and explain how it proves evolution. I'd really like to see it. At least we may now have someone here now that knows what they are talking about instead of others in the past that always end up wasting our time with ridiculous stuff that falls apart almost immediately..

Your guess was, "The answer that will be presented is, it hasn't stopped, but it'll be another million years before we see more results, of course by that time we'll all be dead and the so called proof will be lost in time again." You guessed that people would give a certain answer. No one gave that answer. That means your guess was wrong.

No, the following is just what I predicted in so many words:

Very slowly. It evolved very slowly.

If I need to take that apart for you and explain I will but we'll just be wasting more time on nothing. Besides, you know as well as I do that is absolute fact and where the the so-called truth of evolution hides it's secretes, and why we can't see things actually change.

You really are clutching at straws here to make me wrong, and even if you did so on some petty little thing like you just went into, who cares.? What does you making that point accomplish?

 

[SteveB28]

My guess it the answer that will be presented is, it hasn't stopped, but it'll be another million years before we see more results, of course by that time we'll all be dead and the so called proof will be lost in time again.

And in that you'd be wrong.........yet again!

We have witnessed and recorded the process of unique species forming, in both the laboratory and the field. Many times.

Spend 3 minutes on an Internet search and your ignorance will be cured.....

 

[Waterwerx]

You haven't even shown that DNA can't come about. You just said "it's impossible" and gave nothing in response.
And for the record, I do believe that God created DNA. The actual evidence given by actual scientists who have studied His actual creation shows this.

Statistics, my rustled friend, statistics. And I can assure you, the chances of all of this stuff coming together all by itself over the course of billions of years would be 1 out of a number bigger than Avagadro's Number, which is 6.022 x 10^23(this is a 10 multiplied 23 times by itself). As outrageous as it sounds, I have about the same chance of flushing myself down an accommodating commode inside Area 51 without any security clearance and ending up on Pluto inside of an elephant while eating a pizza.

 

[ml5363]

Good, you've got a grasp on mutations to somatic cells - the ones that make up our bodies. Nearly all of them, like the ones your son has and my HLA-B27 cause diseases or conditions. They do not get passed down to offspring however. The mutations that are important unknowingly both my husband and I are


olution happen in gametes - reproductive cells.





Great. Here's a few examples mutations that have fixed in the human population of groups of human populations.
- MCM6 is mutation in a regulatory gene that controls lactase production. For people that have the mutation they produce lactase and can consume milk and milk products into adulthood.
- CCR5delta32 is a mutation that confers resistance to HIV.
- ARHGAP11B is a duplicate gene that has mutated in humans causing our neocortex to be larger and denser.

Every child is born with at least 60 mutations that neither parent had. The vast majority of them will have zero effect on the child. Some will cause diseases and a few will confer some sort of change beneficial to survival or reproduction.

Actually my son will pass the gene on...hopefully whoever he marries doesnt carry the defective gene and or if they do the dont pass it on...it is interesting that my first was the 25 percent chance to get it..and my other 2 are the 25 percent to neither have it or pass the gene...50 percent to just be a carrier which unkno

 

[Hieronymus]

"They" who?

Science says so.
They discovered the high tech nano technological systems that operate interdependently in a cell.
A piece of extremely complex machinery humanity can not even reproduce, let alone design and manufacture and start up.

More incredulity.

Your incredulity if you deny this:
A piece of extremely complex machinery humanity can not even reproduce, let alone design and manufacture and start up.

 

[Hieronymus]

You should just have stopped with the part in blue.

No you have stopped there, because i gave you that escape hatch to ad hominem argumentation and you fled right out.
Bye.

 

[Hieronymus]

Only if one doesn't understand the meaning of the word incredulity.

said the atheist....

 

[Hieronymus]

To me evolution is change into something we improve upon...

The word "evolution" is synymous to development, so yes.

 

[Hieronymus]

do you realize everything is just chemistry?

No, with just chemistry, as in natural processes according to the dead unconscious laws of nature.
Natural processes can not account for the high tech nano technology based highly complex cells that work together.
It takes highly specialized molecules that take specific circumstances to form, so they couldn't have formed simultaneously.
Never mind how they got together as a cell with its blueprints stored in their DNA to be implemented by the cell.
Science has discovered that random mutations (i.e. data corruption) that find their way in the genome, typically have unfortunate side effects and is by definition loss of code.
I mean, what do people expect from un-repaired copying mistakes?

It doesn't need to know anything, it's chemistry, all of life is just chemistry wich requires nothing more.

Do you think polyester bags form themselves because of chemistry and nothing more?
Or did some intelligence invent the whole process?
It's not 'just chemistry', it's nano technology on a molecular level.
It (an average cell) is as small as it can get.

I think people underestimate the complexity of a single cell.
Thee are some interesting videos to illustrate some of it here:
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...icated-to-have-evolved.7964423/#post-70093413

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It was a reference to LSD, a drug created by scientists.

Ah, yes. LSD. Your other pet hangup with which you choose to demonize the entire scientific community because it offends your sensibilities.

 

[Armoured]

The word "evolution" is synymous to development, so yes.

no.

 

[Armoured]

To me evolution is change into something we improve upon...

Evolution is not about "improvement" at all.

 

[mzungu]

All matter is made up of atoms. I challenge any creationist to show me any atom that is alive.
Living things are composed of elements that none of which in themselves are alive.
Creationists therefore have the gall to claim that life cannot come from non life?

 

[doubtingmerle]

As outrageous as it sounds, I have about the same chance of flushing myself down an accommodating commode inside Area 51 without any security clearance and ending up on Pluto inside of an elephant while eating a pizza.

How's the pizza up there?

Since evolution can be clearly shown to have occurred, and since, according to you, you "have about the same chance of flushing [your]self down an accommodating commode inside Area 51 without any security clearance and ending up on Pluto inside of an elephant while eating a pizza" , I do so hope you like plutonian pizza.

 

[Hieronymus]

Since evolution can be clearly shown to have occurred,

No, it is assumed to have occurred.
If it could be clearly shown i wouldn't dismiss it.

 

[Armoured]

No, it is assumed to have occurred.
If it could be clearly shown i wouldn't dismiss it.

It can be clearly shown. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes just as hard as you can doesn't actually change that.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It can be clearly shown. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes just as hard as you can doesn't actually change that.

To be fair though, that's all they've got really. That and a continuous argument from incredulity.

 

[Armoured]

To be fair though, that's all they've got really. That and a continuous argument from incredulity.

Oh, and quote mines. Don't forget the endless quote mines. Or the deliberate misrepresentations of basic physical principles. 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, I'm looking at you...