"Life and its building blocks are way too complicated to have evolved." [moved]

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Mistakesin the dna sequence that causes a change. In my experience causes deformities and disease...guess could be good ones..

example when a virus mutates by making itself stronger=r or different to repel medications

not bad for someone been outta highschool for 15 years and 3 semesters of college huh?

No, it's bad.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, it's bad.

According to theistic evolution, man is a mutant copy-error, made in the image & likeness of God.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

According to theistic evolution, man is a mutant copy-error, made in the image & likeness of God.

And that has exactly what bearing on that fact that her idea of what a mutation is is wrong?

 

[USincognito]

I know about mutations...my 13 yr ol# has 2 that cause liver defects so he does not process ] protein. SometimeS I wonder if him having 2 instead of the one it takes to cause his liver disease somehow counteract each other so his body can tolerate more...or maybe was just Gods favor

Good, you've got a grasp on mutations to somatic cells - the ones that make up our bodies. Nearly all of them, like the ones your son has and my HLA-B27 cause diseases or conditions. They do not get passed down to offspring however. The mutations that are important for evolution happen in gametes - reproductive cells.

: 21511"]Mistakesin the dna sequence that causes a change. In my experience causes deformities and disease...guess could be good ones..

example when a virus mutates by making itself stronger=r or different to repel medications

not bad for someone been outta highschool for 15 years and 3 semesters of college huh?

Great. Here's a few examples mutations that have fixed in the human population of groups of human populations.
- MCM6 is mutation in a regulatory gene that controls lactase production. For people that have the mutation they produce lactase and can consume milk and milk products into adulthood.
- CCR5delta32 is a mutation that confers resistance to HIV.
- ARHGAP11B is a duplicate gene that has mutated in humans causing our neocortex to be larger and denser.

Every child is born with at least 60 mutations that neither parent had. The vast majority of them will have zero effect on the child. Some will cause diseases and a few will confer some sort of change beneficial to survival or reproduction.

 

[loveofourlord]

Post 3 was a little bit more than "nothing".
Now, I was going to go a bit deeper, but I tried to keep it as simple as possible. For example we could go deeper by asking, how does the microtubule know where point "A" is and where point "B" is? What tells it to construct and then deconstruct after the motor protein walks over it? Do you realize just how complicated the code to construct the signaling for that to occur must be?
Then I'm asked to believe that it came about via a process of mutations, random chance and natural selection?

do you realize everything is just chemistry? It doesn't need to know anything, it's chemistry, all of life is just chemistry wich requires nothing more.

 

[USincognito]

I guess one will believe anything anyone on the net tells them if is supports their "claims".





No yap at all and the only flapping is you making no logical or sensible accusations, your letting your imagination and what you would like to see blind you. It's no more than a claim until proven, and Steve simply made a claim, hence my logical and accurate reply. but I fully expect you to have a feild day with absolutely nothing to base your accusations on...won't be the first time.

Did you even think before you wrote that?

Oh the irony.

Now you see where the true irony lies. This is hilarious.

It's past your nap time kid. All you posted was a bunch of vacuous rhetoric and chest thumping and you didn't address the Broad Institute work on Ebola or the evolution in Italian wall lizards.

This is the "Kenny's evidence for evolution" thread all over again.

 

[Hieronymus]

Says who?

Science says so.
They discovered the high tech nano technological systems that operate interdependently in a cell.
A piece of extremely complex machinery humanity can not even reproduce, let alone design and manufacture and start up.

 

[AV1611VET]

do you realize everything is just chemistry? It doesn't need to know anything, it's chemistry, all of life is just chemistry wich requires nothing more.

But with scientists at the helm, chemistry can produce a generation of Thalidomites, or cause people to stare at the sun, or burn children out of a mother's womb, or ...

 

[Hieronymus]

How would something like that evolve? Very slowly.

Not likely and not supported by compelling fossil evidence.
The species we know today appear fully formed.

Why exactly could this code not have evolved over millions of years?

Yes it changes, it mutates accidentally, and not all mutations get corrected but find their way in the gene pool.
I'm not an expert, but it basically boils down to random mutations in the DNA, in information technology known as data corruption.
Now the more generations you have the more data corruption on top of the surviving data corruption you will have.
This can cause hereditary diseases and all kinds of nasty things..
Things get corrupted by mutations, like files can corrupt due to mistakes appearing in the copies, until it opens or runs no more...
Thank God there are also safeguards built in, even DNA repair.

 

[sfs]

Wouldnt those be mutations?

They are mutations that spread in a population as organisms reproduce. That's what evolution is.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

But with scientists at the helm, chemistry can produce a generation of Thalidomites, or cause people to stare at the sun, or burn children out of a mother's womb, or ...

Could you explain the second one? Because I understand your usual, petty reason for bringing up thalidomide and abortion in virtually every single thread you visit for no other reason that to repeat your own ridiculous views on them, but I don't quite how scientists are responsible for causing people to stare at the sun, an action which people take of their own freewill.

 

[sfs]

Another empty claim.

I made a verifiable claim about a matter of public record -- that I've been studying evolution that occurred within the last three years. You are unable to refute that claim, and so you resort to a content-free dismissal. What exactly do you think you're accomplishing this way?

I don't guess very well? Tell me, what was inaccurate about that guess?

Your guess was, "The answer that will be presented is, it hasn't stopped, but it'll be another million years before we see more results, of course by that time we'll all be dead and the so called proof will be lost in time again." You guessed that people would give a certain answer. No one gave that answer. That means your guess was wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

Could you explain the second one?

Well ... SNOPES says otherwise; but who knows?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well ... SNOPES says otherwise; but who knows?

All I asked was for you explain it. Plus my laptop's acting up and it's not letting me see the page you linked to.

 

[-57]

Very slowly. It evolved very slowly.

That's the best they have.

NEXT

 

[-57]

do you realize everything is just chemistry? It doesn't need to know anything, it's chemistry, all of life is just chemistry wich requires nothing more.

long sigh.

 

[-57]

So, anyone care to explain how mutations formed the walking motor protein?

 

[AV1611VET]

All I asked was for you explain it. Plus my laptop's acting up and it's not letting me see the page you linked to.

It was a reference to LSD, a drug created by scientists.

 

[Kenny'sID]

It's past your nap time kid. All you posted was a bunch of vacuous rhetoric and chest thumping and you didn't address the Broad Institute work on Ebola or the evolution in Italian wall lizards.

This is the "Kenny's evidence for evolution" thread all over again.

Still didn't answer my questions I see. I don't think the reader is interested in your excuses and attempts to skirt that fact with baseless accusations and your usual general rudeness, they/I want action.

If you think you have finally got your proof of evolution bring it, and I'll be happy to see you embarrass yourself as you have done several times already with your nonsense, but I'm not going to waste time this time around with trying to force you past your reluctance to do so. Bring it out here to the table and explain how it proves evolution or not and please don't waste our time with excuses.

 

[USincognito]

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Still not addressing Steve's work with Ebola or the Italian wall lizards I see. We've had some really bad Creationists here in the past and you're rapidly joining the top 10.