Liberalism *is* mainline Protestant Christianity

[ViaCrucis]

The problem here is not that people disagree on societal norms. The problem is the way many liberal leaders try to force those beliefs on the nation outside of constitutionally provided methods. Using agencies with unelected bureaucrats to enforce rules and regulations not put in place by Congress is just one back door method. Using liberal judges to strike down laws enacted by due process of legislators is another. There is even a process to change the constitution if enough people see fit but liberals often try to circumvent most legitimate legislative remedies.

According to the OP liberal democracy is the problem, that includes the US Constitution itself, as well as having elected representatives and legislators. The very foundation of the American republic is based on things which the OP believes to be wrong. So I want to know what the OP believes to be the right kind of society and form of government, and what the alternative would be to allowing individuals constitutionally protected rights (which the OP views as wrong).

You may not feel that way, but the OP seems to feel that way.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

do you believe you currently inhabit a society where people are not penalized or punished for having views oppositional to the ruling political ideology?

When was the last time a person was imprisoned in the United States for having an unpopular opinion? Right, that doesn't happen.

Now, back to my question(s), if you would be so kind. I am legitimately curious what you propose as an alternative to democracy and representative government. And what would happen to a practicing Muslim or Jew, or to a Christian who doesn't share your views, in the society that you believe we should have.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Postvieww]

According to the OP liberal democracy is the problem, that includes the US Constitution itself, as well as having elected representatives and legislators. The very foundation of the American republic is based on things which the OP believes to be wrong.

The writer of the OP at least on paper still has the right to believe what ever they wish. It appears to me the available method to change the way this government is conducted is to vote for like minded politicians and hope there are enough of them to agree and then go through the legislative process or the more extreme and thankfully more difficult process of a constitutional convention. If those methods do not bring the desired results I see no other option than just accepting our current form of government or moving to the country of their choice to satisfy the dissatisfaction with this country.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The writer of the OP at least on paper still has the right to believe what ever they wish. It appears to me the available method to change the way this government is conducted is to vote for like minded politicians and hope there are enough of them to agree and then go through the legislative process or the more extreme and thankfully more difficult process of a constitutional convention. If those methods do not bring the desired results I see no other option than just accepting our current form of government or moving to the country of their choice to satisfy the dissatisfaction with this country.

Nobody's saying the OP doesn't have the right to believe whatever they want. Nobody is saying they don't.

But the OP does seem to want you and me to not have that right if it doesn't match up with their POV.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Not of the World]

Today there is not a hint of Protestant Christianity collectivizing in any kind of resistance against the ideology of liberalism

Really? Has President Biden, an abortionist and alleged Catholic, met with any prominent Protestant leaders?

 

[Not of the World]

This is why there is such a strange resistance to churches organizing on a political basis

Did Jesus organize political activity against anyone? Did Jesus ever instruct the apostles or anyone else to do so?

 

[Not of the World]

There was no "cohesive, collective, social movement away" from Roman Catholicism.

Speaking for myself as a former Catholic, I didn't "move away" from Catholicism, I simply went to Jesus.

 

[Not of the World]

Liberal Democracy is basically a theocracy of secular progressive humanism that morphed out of Protestant Christianity.

I see it differently. Democrats like to call themselves "liberals" but they're actually leftists that believe in total government control of every facet of society and the censorship of speech they deem "hateful". They're certainly NOT "liberals". With that said, to say that the modern left came about via "Protestant Christianity" is not accurate. The left is largely atheist, secular, and most of the "Christians" that are on the left aren't following the path prescribed by Christ. I will add that the most far-left leaders of this nation, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, are Catholic.

 

[Isilwen]

I will add that the most far-left leaders of this nation, Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi, are Catholic.

Do you honestly believe that Joe Biden is far left? Have you heard of Bernie Sanders? He may be independent, but his beliefs are far left. Joe Biden may be a little more left of center, but he is still by far considered a moderate Democrat.

 

[Not of the World]

Do you honestly believe that Joe Biden is far left?

His policies certainly are.

 

[Isilwen]

His policies certainly are.

They areally aren't that far left. Compare them to that of Bernie Sanders and you will see what I mean.

 

[Not of the World]

They areally aren't that far left. Compare them to that of Bernie Sanders and you will see what I mean.

Biden's policies are further to the left than any president in the history of the United States. Just because his policies aren't as far left as Kim Jung-un of North Korea doesn't mean that they're not "far" left.

 

[Isilwen]

Biden's policies are further to the left than any president in the history of the United States. Just because his policies aren't as far left as Kim Jung-un of North Korea doesn't mean that they're not "far" left.

And just because they are more left than any other president in history doesn't mean he is far left. He is a centrist that leans left. He is not far left by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Biden's policies are further to the left than any president in the history of the United States. Just because his policies aren't as far left as Kim Jung-un of North Korea doesn't mean that they're not "far" left.

I'm not sure what you think makes BIden the most left president we've ever had.

How do you define "left"? Without engaging in any caricature, what would you describe as "left", and how does Biden fit the description as the most left president we've ever had.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Margaret3110]

I see it differently. Democrats like to call themselves "liberals" but they're actually leftists that believe in total government control of every facet of society and the censorship of speech they deem "hateful".

Do you actually know any people that vote Democrat?

There is a small but vocal (especially on the internet) minority of people that are as you describe, but most of them vote for other parties or don't vote at all; they see the Democrats as too corporate, etc.

 

[Not of the World]

There is a small but vocal (especially on the internet) minority of people that are as you describe,

The Democratic Party is definitely "of the world" and they control the federal government, Hollywood, most social media companies, and corporate America. Many Republicans are as bad, such as Mitch McConnell, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, and more. They ALL have their hands in the cookie jar and they all work to increase their own security and wealth at the expense of average Americans.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Democratic Party is definitely "of the world" and they control the federal government, Hollywood, most social media companies, and corporate America. Many Republicans are as bad, such as Mitch McConnell, Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, and more. They ALL have their hands in the cookie jar and they all work to increase their own security and wealth at the expense of average Americans.

Can you name a single godly politician from either party?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Not of the World]

Can you name a single godly politician from either party?

Can you name a single person living today that is without sin?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can you name a single person living today that is without sin?

Nope.

I just assumed, given what you said, that you must have an example of a politician that isn't wholly wicked and corrupt.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Not of the World]

I just assumed, given what you said, that you must have an example of a politician that isn't wholly wicked and corrupt.

It's my impression that Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky is a man of good morals and ethics, but he too is a sinner.

I've been called a hypocrite by people of the world because I voted for someone who sinned.