Levels of EvC belief

[AV1611VET]

Odd, didn't you claim in another thread you're not a Young-Earther?

That is correct.

But in view of the fact that:

1. He didn't give the option of embedded age.
2. He asked, 'Which view best matches your own?'

I think #9 best matches my own.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Well, can it be inspired? If so, then yes, that inspiration can be from spirits not of God. By the results we know. The end result of the inspiration of science about origins is demonic fables.

It is ironic that you should post this. As I read this thread and your replies, I became concerned that you are possessed by demons, because you are so utterly convinced of a viewpoint that I regard as completely orthogonal to God's will.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is ironic that you should post this. As I read this thread and your replies, I became concerned that you are possessed by demons, because you are so utterly convinced of a viewpoint that I regard as completely orthogonal to God's will.

That's kinda rich coming from someone with an avatar that mocks Christ, isn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Odd, didn't you claim in another thread you're not a Young-Earther?

This is how I would change #9 to reflect what I believe:

9. The earth and universe are as old as they are. God created each species separately, but they can evolve, just not into new genuses.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Nine.

Whereyabin? We missed your smiling face.

 

[AV1611VET]

Whereyabin? We missed your smiling face.

Awww thank you, sir!

 

[pitabread]

This is how I would change #9 to reflect what I believe:

9. The earth and universe are as old as they are. God created each species separately, but they can evolve, just not into new genuses.

That would be #8.

 

[AV1611VET]

That would be #8.

Either that, or it wouldn't.

The universe has only been in existence for some 6000 years.

Deep time is a human construct to allow for observations made and false conclusions.

 

[pitabread]

Deep time is a human construct to allow for observations made

That's all it can ever be. Science can only tell us the way things look like. And the Earth and universe looks to be billions of years old.

Even if you believe otherwise, it still doesn't change that fact.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's all it can ever be. Science can only tell us the way things look like.

Or ... as I'm fond of saying ... only on paper.

And the Earth and universe looks to be billions of years old.

I don't know what "billions of years old looks like," but I'll take your word for it.

Even if you believe otherwise, it still doesn't change that fact.

I believe the earth is as old as God made it.

If He made it brand new ... fine ... I won't dispute it.

If He made it a zillion years old ... fine ... I won't dispute it.

But what I will dispute is the idea that it came into existence before 4004 BC.

 

[pitabread]

Or ... as I'm fond of saying ... only on paper.

All observations made about our universe are made with respect to the universe itself.

I think what you are describing is using the Bible to date things.

I don't know what "billions of years old looks like," but I'll take your word for it.

This:

But what I will dispute is the idea that it came into existence before 4004 BC.

Dispute it all you want, it's an unfalsifiable proposition and therefore not something for which there is any argument to be made.

 

[AV1611VET]

Dispute it all you want, it's an unfalsifiable proposition and therefore not something for which there is any argument to be made.

Oookie doke!

 

[pitabread]

Oookie doke!

Put it this way: there is no way to tell the difference between what you believe and someone who believes the world was created last Thursday. They are for all intents and purposes the same belief.

 

[AV1611VET]

Put it this way: there is no way to tell the difference between what you believe and someone who believes the world was created last Thursday. They are for all intents and purposes the same belief.

Unless the Bible says otherwise.

Verses like this would make no sense ...

Acts 13:20 And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of four hundred and fifty years, until Samuel the prophet.

 

[AV1611VET]

This:

Did you see my reply to dad's thread about time?

 

[pitabread]

Unless the Bible says otherwise.

Doesn't matter what it says. There is no objective way to differentiate what you believe from someone who believes the universe has only existed for a week.

 

[AV1611VET]

Doesn't matter what it says. There is no objective way to differentiate what you believe from someone who believes the universe has only existed for a week.

Are you bragging ... or complaining?

Science is myopic, isn't it?

 

[pitabread]

Are you bragging ... or complaining?

Science is myopic, isn't it?

You need a new catch phrase; this one is well worn out by now.

 

[AV1611VET]

You need a new catch phrase; this one is well worn out by now.

Kinda like, "Show me evidence ...," isn't it?

 

[dad]

It is ironic that you should post this. As I read this thread and your replies, I became concerned that you are possessed by demons, because you are so utterly convinced of a viewpoint that I regard as completely orthogonal to God's will.

One of us might be in trouble I guess.