Levels of EvC belief

[dad]

Wrong: If anyone can make up anything they want then no bets are possible at all.

Fact less fantasies do not produce anything such as the age of the world, scientific dating, or dates of events in the Bible.

Science basing distances on time being the same is factless. Godless. Clueless.

You do not get to make stuff up, and then accuse people who ask for proof of making stuff up!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When it comes to a non-biologist creationist's take on biology, most likely so.
Especially when what is obvious to such a person is laughably ridiculous to anyone with freshman-level biological education. To suggest that the aorta or the gut sends motor signals to the larynx to produce vocalizations is to admit 100% ignorance of the subject matter. To then provide irrelevant links and quotes trying in desperation (and, still, ignorance of the subject) to provide 'support' for such an absurdity (which the links/quotes do not do, not even close) is just icing on the narcissism cake.

Your ongoing 'scorched earth' response to that suggestion is interesting. Do you have some sociological problem I should be aware of?

 

[RealityCheck01]

Science basing distances on time being the same is factless. ...

His reply to
1 June 2018 dad: The obvious fact that fact less fantasies make all bets moot .
is absurdity about science. This looks like the lies about parallax that has appeared in other threads so:
5 June 2018 dad: A lie of basing distances on time without facts about time.
Calendars and clocks exist here on Earth. It is just about insane to say that they are wrong given how well tested they are. This is not his fact less fantasy about time in far space!

The only use of time in parallax measurements for Earth based telescopes is to measure 6 months of Earth's orbit inside the Solar System (not his "far space" of outside of the Solar System). The reason to use 6 months is to get the longest baseline possible for Earth based telescopes. All we really need for that is a calendar ! Adding a clock gives better accuracy.

 

[dad]

[QUOTE="RealityCheck01, post: 72752020, member: 317334"

The only use of time in parallax measurements for Earth based telescopes is to measure 6 months of Earth's orbit inside the Solar System (not his "far space" of outside of the Solar System). The reason to use 6 months is to get the longest baseline possible for Earth based telescopes.[/QUOTE]

That depends on whether time exists in the solar system woven with space. If it does, then whenever we take hundreds of millions of miles of space in our solar system, we also have time as part of the mix. No matter how many months unfold here, that does not mean time does not exist. The unfolding of units of time is just more evidence time exists!

 

[RealityCheck01]

That depends on whether time exists in the solar system woven with space.

6 June 2018 dad: A deluded "whether time exists in the solar system woven with space" question.
It takes 6 months for the Earth to travel through space from one side of its orbit to the other. This is a physical fact that even children know. If dad was a child the question would be ignorant. dad is not a child. Thus the deluded label for the question.

1 June 2018 dad: The obvious fact that fact less fantasies make all bets moot .
5 June 2018 dad: A lie of basing distances on time without facts about time (Earth's orbit takes a year).

 

[Sanoy]

Is voting for number 1 consistent with agnosticism and "lacktheism" (lack of belief in theism)? 1 seems to be making a positive claim against there being a God or higher intelligence which should be incompatible with those two world views.

In any case this public record will hopefully encourage consistency.

 

[dad]

It takes 6 months for the Earth to travel through space from one side of its orbit to the other. .

So? What would that have to do with what time itself is? You think time is just how time is experienced here?

 

[RealityCheck01]

6 June 2018 dad: A deluded "whether time exists in the solar system woven with space" question.
1 June 2018 dad: The obvious fact that fact less fantasies make all bets moot .
5 June 2018 dad: A lie of basing distances on time without facts about time (Earth's orbit takes a year).

 

[RealityCheck01]

So?

12 June 2018 dad: Cannot understand that half of Earth's orbit of a year is half a year (6 months)!

For others:
This is dad basically accusing people of not being able to count !
An astronomer could in theory take a parallax measurement for a star, wait 5 minutes and take another parallax measurement and then calculate the distance to the star.
An astronomer could in theory take a parallax measurement for a star, wait 1 day and take another parallax measurement and then calculate the distance to the star.
The practical problem is that the angle in these cases is too small to measure with the accuracy of Earth based telescopes (not so sure about the Gaia telescope).

Basically, an astronomer takes a parallax measurement for a star, counts off 182 days so that the Earth has moved to the other side of its obit and takes another parallax measurement to calculate its distance.

 

[AV1611VET]

Basically, an astronomer takes a parallax measurement for a star, counts off 182 days so that the Earth has moved to the other side of its obit and takes another parallax measurement to calculate its distance.

Wouldn't the sun be in the way then?

 

[RealityCheck01]

Wouldn't the sun be in the way then?

Astronomers mostly work at night.

 

[AV1611VET]

Astronomers mostly work at night.

good one!

I wish they had an icon for touché reps!

 

[RealityCheck01]

More seriously, we recently have measured the parallax of 1.3 billion stars in the Milky Way.

 

[AV1611VET]

More seriously, we recently have measured the parallax of 1.3 billion stars in the Milky Way.

This stuff measures distance, not time.

Can God create a star tomorrow a fifty light years away, with it's light shinning on the earth?

 

[RealityCheck01]

This stuff measures distance, not time.

I never claimed that or the fantasy you made up about God doing stuff.

What we can measure is stars being billions of light years away from us (parallax takes us out to tens of thousands of light years). The simple fact that light has a speed then tell us that those stars emitted that light billions of year old.

You are free to make up whatever you want to believe about your God.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are free to make up whatever you want to believe about your God.

And whatever we "make up" will be run through your science for verification, won't it?

 

[RealityCheck01]

And whatever we "make up" will be run through your science for verification, won't it?

No. Science is not religion. Science does not verify your personal religious beliefs .
I personally prefer to live in a universe that does not lie and where these is physical evidence backing up my and the scientific understanding of the universe.

 

[dad]

6 June 2018 dad: A deluded "whether time exists in the solar system woven with space" question.
1 June 2018 dad: The obvious fact that fact less fantasies make all bets moot .
5 June 2018 dad: A lie of basing distances on time without facts about time (Earth's orbit takes a year).

Random blather with dates.

 

[dad]

12 June 2018 dad: Cannot understand that half of Earth's orbit of a year is half a year (6 months)

Canard. Who questioned that and who cares? However long the earth(or any clock) takes to do anything has nothing to do with what time is.

For others:
This is dad basically accusing people of not being able to count !
An astronomer could in theory take a parallax measurement for a star, wait 5 minutes and take another parallax measurement and then calculate the distance to the star.
An astronomer could in theory take a parallax measurement for a star, wait 1 day and take another parallax measurement and then calculate the distance to the star.
The practical problem is that the angle in these cases is too small to measure with the accuracy of Earth based telescopes (not so sure about the Gaia telescope).

It is time woven with space in every inch of the solar system and area that matters, not how long something takes to happen that matters.

Basically, an astronomer takes a parallax measurement for a star, counts off 182 days so that the Earth has moved to the other side of its obit and takes another parallax measurement to calculate its distance.

That is the base line. A slice of space and time. You thought all that was at issue was the fishbowl days? Ha.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Who questioned that and who cares?

The questioner would be you. Who cares would be anyone who knows about the real world and so are applied at the ignorance the question implies.

You are the one implying that it is impossible to measure 6 months between the 2 measurements needed for the best parallax measurements here on Earth.

On the other hand, your posts do contain some incoherent stuff about time here on Earth so I better give you a chance to state your case clearly.

First what happens in the real world yet again!
Parallax is a purely geometrical effect of a close object appearing to move against a distant background. Take your hand. Put your thumb up. Hold your thumb at arms length and keep the thumb still. Shut one eye. Note the position of your thumb against the background. Close that eye and open the other eye. See that your thumb appears to move. If you measured the angle then it is simple trig to calculate how far your thumb is away from your eyes.
N.B. The only time involved is the time between making the measurements, e.g. changing eyes. It is deluded to assert that you measure any time between you and your thumb. Or that time magically changing between you and you thumb does anything to the measurement.

Parallax is a technique used in measuring distance here on Earth, e.g. coincidence rangefinder.
13 June 2018 dad: Do you deny that we can use parallax to measure terrestrial distances on Earth using time as it exists here in the Solar System?

The use of parallax in astronomy is the same except the time between measurements is longer to give a bigger angle.
13 June 2018 dad: Do you deny that we can use parallax to measure astronomical distances on Earth using time as it exists here in the Solar System?

Otherwise we are back to the old fact less fantasies and lies about parallax and time.
12 June 2018 dad: Cannot understand that half of Earth's orbit of a year is half a year (6 months)
6 June 2018 dad: A deluded "whether time exists in the solar system woven with space" question.
5 June 2018 dad: A lie of basing distances on time without facts about time (Earth's orbit takes a year).
1 June 2018 dad: The obvious fact that fact less fantasies make all bets moot .