Let's Talk About Hell (4)

[WillieH]

you need a bachelors degree even to get into Dallas Theological, you should give it a little more respect.

Hmm... what "The-ILLOGICAL cemetary" did the Apostles go to? Or those that they taught?

I have NO RESPECT at ALL, for these DECEITFUL charlatons (Dallas The-ILLOGICAL cemetary ...and any other "cemetaries") ...as they DEMAND MONEY (as YOU have already noted)... to teach others the supposed, "TRUTH", ...is simply the BADGE of EVIL they PROUDLY wear upon their chest (right over the location of the HEART)...

The reason that YOU cannot see the "BADGE", is because YOU wear the same BADGE, yourself!


pEACE...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

One more comment on this ...quite funny post...

you need a bachelors degree even to get into Dallas Theological, you should give it a little more respect.

YOU might need a bachelors degree to get in this BLASPHEMOUS institution, ...as for me, ...I would not, even on my worst day, have ANY desire to "enter" into this HELL permeated and spiritually DISORGANIZED foolishness, ...you call the --- "Dallas The-ILLOGICAL Cemetary"...


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[createdtoworship]

Oh, the witch burning was just a fun little comparison. You are taking it too seriously. It's like a Jeopardy Catagory.
Bizarre Church History
100. Spanish Inquisition
200. Witch Burnings
300. Indulgences
400. Newton Trial
500. Eternal Torment

Alex Trebeck: This doctrine was invented in the dark ages to bolster sagging church attendance

Tim: Buzz

Alex Trebeck: Tim?

Tim: What is Eternal Torment?

Alex Trebeck: 500 points!

now you are appealing to the emotion, another logical fallacy. You should give up while your behind.

 

[createdtoworship]

One more comment on this ...quite funny post...



YOU might need a bachelors degree to get in this BLASPHEMOUS institution, ...as for me, ...I would not, even on my worst day, have ANY desire to "enter" into this HELL permeated and spiritually DISORGANIZED foolishness, ...you call the --- "Dallas The-ILLOGICAL Cemetary"...


PEACE...


...willieH

don't worry, even if you applied today. They wouldn't accept you. So your safe.

 

[createdtoworship]

Hmm... what "The-ILLOGICAL cemetary" did the Apostles go to? Or those that they taught?

I have NO RESPECT at ALL, for these DECEITFUL charlatons (Dallas The-ILLOGICAL cemetary ...and any other "cemetaries") ...as they DEMAND MONEY (as YOU have already noted)... to teach others the supposed, "TRUTH", ...is simply the BADGE of EVIL they PROUDLY wear upon their chest (right over the location of the HEART)...

The reason that YOU cannot see the "BADGE", is because YOU wear the same BADGE, yourself!


pEACE...


...willieH

like I said before, your evidence for your allegations are circumstantial. Saying that ALL seminaries are bad when you have scarcely looked into even one of them. You wouldn’t want to go to a doctor that had only watched ER and read books about surgery would you? Regardless of how skilled that doctor might be, you want to know where they went to medical school. It's the same way with theology.

 

[createdtoworship]

SECOND --- No thanks... Keep your deceptions and cemetary commentarise, ...I have, ABSOLUTELY, ...no use for them whatosever!


THIRD --- You say, ...people pay a LOT of MONEY? Foolish people... for the REVELATION of the WORD does not come via MONEY involvment, EVER!

Well we can all tell you didn't pay for your education, thats for sure.

Secondly,


you get what you pay for, if you want a quality education it will cost money. The professors need to make enough money to want to stick it out. If you don't pay professors handsomely they will just teach at an elementary level. You have to make it worth their while to want to teach a hard subject with honors. But you don't seem like the business type so I won't expect you to understand.

by the way, I haven't seen you debate me once. In order to debate you need to actually respond to the verses, not get mad and start another insult session.

 

[Sophrosyne]

by the way, I haven't seen you debate me once. In order to debate you need to actually respond to the verses, not get mad and start another insult session.

I see that a lot in the UT forum, debate typically requires addressing arguments at an intellectually honest level. You first have to assess the argument at its core and see if you can find logic to it, then you address their logical assumption with a logical argument of your own. If someones rebuttal is nothing but smoke and mirrors with no logical argument then how can you respond? Logic demands logic, but if there is no logic but instead emotion then you cannot use logic to respond likewise. Those who have an argument need to defend the logic of those rebutting their argument otherwise you are just intellectually dishonest and have lost by using tactics and fallacies and emotion instead of logic. If someone puts up a concrete wall that armors their position, throwing pies at it and screaming insults and whining won't knock down that wall it just ends up making a mess that a good water hose will clean up nicely.

 

[WillieH]

don't worry, even if you applied today. They wouldn't accept you. So your safe.

ALL RIGHT!

THANK ...GOD! ...PRAISE YHVH!

Btw... Here is a Scripture that outlines YOU and your HELL DOCTRINE... Which is taught at the "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary":

Isaiah 10:1 -- WOE unto them that DECREE UNRIGHTEOUS decrees, and that WRITE GRIEVOUSNESS which THEY have PRESCRIBED...

God has my course outlined -- Isaiah 46:10 - Prov 21:1 -- and it is my relationship WITH HIM, and not with DECEITFUL institutions such as the "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary", ...that is essence and outline of that course.

And, oh yeah... have no fear... "applying" to a (spiritually) DEAD organization is MOST certainly NOT on my agenda, and ABSOLUTELY NOT, on my heart's wish list...

Btw... that YOU have noted that THEY would not "accept" me, ...therefore mean that YOU are THEIR ...SPOKESMAN?


If so, thank you so very much for your DIS-RECOMMENDATION of me!

I deeply and heartily praise YHVH for that!


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

like I said before, your evidence for your allegations are circumstantial. Saying that ALL seminaries are bad when you have scarcely looked into even one of them. You wouldn’t want to go to a doctor that had only watched ER and read books about surgery would you? Regardless of how skilled that doctor might be, you want to know where they went to medical school. It's the same way with theology.

In the past, before learning TRUTH, I spent 25 years WALKING around the block called "church", bro... Are you even that old? ...likely since YOU were outfitted in, ...DIAPERS...

Having been a QUARTER CENTURY - within the "System" of Christianity... I have been amongst and within congregational meetings and memberships of the --- SDA, Salvation Army, Catholic, Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist, various Charismatics, Assembly of God, and many more...

THEY ALL teach of HELL... or its "sister" ANNHILATION, ...and THEY ALL note it in their "doctrinal statements"... and MOST if not ALL of the leaders of these churches, are "GRADS" of various "cemetaries" such as the one of which... YOU are SPOKESMAN!

ALL "CEMETARIES" teach the tainted doctrines of HELL and the SELFISH and self centered, ...SALVATION of FEW... which notes and teaches, that MEN must "ACCEPT CHRIST" to be SAVED ...which is NOT FOUND in the WORD - show me ONE VERSE in the WORD of GOD which SAYS we must "ACCEPT CHRIST"!

Busily basing their SALVATION on themselves and their "decision for CHRIST", instead of the REVERSE -- Which IS noted in the WORD -- John 16:15 -- John 6:44 -- Matt 11:27 -- 1 Cor 12:3

Sorrowfully deplete of any SPIRITUAL understanding... actively perpetrating LIES and FALSEHOODS which do not even APPEAR in the WORD...

Name even ONE "cemetary" that does not teach these things gradyll --

I will be waiting, but again, "no breath holding" shall be done by me, while you IN FUTILITY, might search for EVEN ONE "cemetary" that does NOT teach these SICK and BLASPHEMING teachings!

Within the TEACHING of these MAN invented fallacies of HELL, and the INCOMPLETE... SALVATION of FEW... which note CHRIST did NOT SUCCEED to "take away the sin of the WORLD" -- John 1:29 -- and that He did NOT SUCCEED "to SAVE that which was LOST" -- Luke 19:10

Their (and YOUR) message does NOT contain any form of PEACE nor does it petition or support ...PEACE for which the...

GOSPEL IS ---> named ----> Rom 10:15 -- Eph 6:15
as IS -- YHVH God ---> named ----> Rom 15:33 -- Rom 16:20
as IS the completed work of CHRIST ---> named -- Col 1:20


So their (and YOUR) decrees are via the testimony of SCRIPTURE, ...TAINTED, ...and their (and YOUR) declarations, therefore destined for REJECTION -- Matt 7:22-23 -- Having NOT the PEACE of God, ...nor HIS LOVE, GRACE, FORGIVENESS, MERCY and PERFECTION... which are essentially the COMPONENTS of PEACE

Incomplete, SELFISH, incompassionate, condemning, tainted and foolishly, bound in the CHAINS of TRADITION...

Which while CHAINED together (in your MASSIVE NUMBERS), ...WORK to negate the POSITIVE and PEACEFUL message of the WORD -- Matt 15:3-6

Only those with EARS shall HEAR... the MANY which claim to come in the name of CHRIST, ...certainly WILL NOT Hear... YOU being amongst them...

And MOST CERTAINLY they are NOT ...sent of YHVH -- Jer 14:14-15 -- Jer 29:8-9 -- Matt 24:5 -- unto the WORLD that He so UNCHANGINGLY ...LOVES -- John 3:16-17


Pity...


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

I haven't seen you debate me once. In order to debate you need to actually respond to the verses, not get mad and start another insult session.

Your other words in this post were just foolish.

As far as "education", you have NONE of your own...

Just an UNLEARNED amatuer taking up time on an internet forum...

SCHOOL is not the only LEARNING place. And CERTAINLY NOT a "cemetary" which teaches foolishness... what EDUCATION is found in foolishness. I have already picked your "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary" apart... and very easily I might add...

Of course, within the arrogance of your youth, you would not KNOW that SCHOOL is not the only LEARNING place ...(be EDUCATED about that), ...now would you?


You (in the lack of knowledge which comes via EDUCATION in one scenario or another) ...are nothing but the pot calling the kettle -- black... and pose little LOGICAL opposition in any discussion.

At present in this thread alone, there are several persons, which find holes in your "education"... (which you borrow from others)

Hey... Not just in this thread but in others, ...YOU have not responded to SCRIPTURES or QUESTIONS at all in ANY discussion!

Matter of fact, all YOU ever do, is just GENERALIZE a DETAILED post, and then fail to addresss ANY of it.

Cutting and pasting (which is no different than "cheating" on a test in school) ...a bunch of UNSPIRITUAL data that you found elsewhere on the internet (NOT via your own study of the Bible)...

A basically blank mind, unable to DEAL with me via YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE... which was gained via your own PERSONAL study and research... which btw = EDUCATION! Instead... borrowing from your neighbor's homework, ...then DECEITFULLY, calling your neighbors homework, your own. And then EXPECT me to respond to your neighbors homework?

How is that NOT like "cheating on a test" in school?

Hey --- Get a clue.

PS... You too, Sosphrozine... you aren't much better than gradyll. Actively practicing avoiding ...rather than addressing.

You 2 are quite the pair! Did you both cut class at the same "school"?


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[Timothew]

now you are appealing to the emotion, another logical fallacy. You should give up while your behind.

Which emotion was that? humor?

I'm just recommending that the church abandon an embarrassing and false doctrine that dishonors God. If you want to keep this doctrine, that's your business.

 

[createdtoworship]

ALL RIGHT!

THANK ...GOD! ...PRAISE YHVH!

Btw... Here is a Scripture that outlines YOU and your HELL DOCTRINE... Which is taught at the "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary":

Isaiah 10:1 -- WOE unto them that DECREE UNRIGHTEOUS decrees, and that WRITE GRIEVOUSNESS which THEY have PRESCRIBED...

God has my course outlined -- Isaiah 46:10 - Prov 21:1 -- and it is my relationship WITH HIM, and not with DECEITFUL institutions such as the "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary", ...that is essence and outline of that course.

And, oh yeah... have no fear... "applying" to a (spiritually) DEAD organization is MOST certainly NOT on my agenda, and ABSOLUTELY NOT, on my heart's wish list...

Btw... that YOU have noted that THEY would not "accept" me, ...therefore mean that YOU are THEIR ...SPOKESMAN?


If so, thank you so very much for your DIS-RECOMMENDATION of me!

I deeply and heartily praise YHVH for that!


PEACE...


...willieH

But correct me if I'm wrong. But do you have a bachelors? Dallas will only accept people with Bachelors. So I was accurate in my assessment that they would not accept you. And no I am not their spokesman, I just know the prerequisites for the institution, thank you.

 

[createdtoworship]

Which emotion was that? humor?

I'm just recommending that the church abandon an embarrassing and false doctrine that dishonors God. If you want to keep this doctrine, that's your business.

yes, humor. It's a logical fallacy to make fun or create a straw man of ones possition. I.E. staying on topic and not creating a mockery of logical debate by comparing witch trials with ET. Yes, it's one fallacy after another with you. Should we expect anything more timothew?

 

[createdtoworship]

Your other words in this post were just foolish.

As far as "education", you have NONE of your own...

Just an UNLEARNED amatuer taking up time on an internet forum...

SCHOOL is not the only LEARNING place. And CERTAINLY NOT a "cemetary" which teaches foolishness... what EDUCATION is found in foolishness. I have already picked your "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary" apart... and very easily I might add...

Of course, within the arrogance of your youth, you would not KNOW that SCHOOL is not the only LEARNING place ...(be EDUCATED about that), ...now would you?


You (in the lack of knowledge which comes via EDUCATION in one scenario or another) ...are nothing but the pot calling the kettle -- black... and pose little LOGICAL opposition in any discussion.

At present in this thread alone, there are several persons, which find holes in your "education"... (which you borrow from others)

Hey... Not just in this thread but in others, ...YOU have not responded to SCRIPTURES or QUESTIONS at all in ANY discussion!

Matter of fact, all YOU ever do, is just GENERALIZE a DETAILED post, and then fail to addresss ANY of it.

Cutting and pasting (which is no different than "cheating" on a test in school) ...a bunch of UNSPIRITUAL data that you found elsewhere on the internet (NOT via your own study of the Bible)...

A basically blank mind, unable to DEAL with me via YOUR OWN KNOWLEDGE... which was gained via your own PERSONAL study and research... which btw = EDUCATION! Instead... borrowing from your neighbor's homework, ...then DECEITFULLY, calling your neighbors homework, your own. And then EXPECT me to respond to your neighbors homework?

How is that NOT like "cheating on a test" in school?

Hey --- Get a clue.

PS... You too, Sosphrozine... you aren't much better than gradyll. Actively practicing avoiding ...rather than addressing.

You 2 are quite the pair! Did you both cut class at the same "school"?


PEACE...


...willieH

I sense anger in your tone? Well the Bible says be angry and sin not. Does ridiculing and mocking ones position sound like the love of Christ Wille?

“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is borna of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. -1 John 4:7-8


oh and about calling me a fool....

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Racac, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. –Matthew 5:22

 

[WillieH]

But correct me if I'm wrong. But do you have a bachelors? Dallas will only accept people with Bachelors. So I was accurate in my assessment that they would not accept you. And no I am not their spokesman, I just know the prerequisites for the institution, thank you.

Actually YOU "know" nothing of the kind... You only "know" the prerequisites they require... which I am about to show you are IRRELEVANT concerning the WORD of GOD...

If they were true TEACHERS of the TRUTH, then these "requirements" would certainly be different than they are...

If they were truly seeking to TEACH those which might bring TRUTH to the WORLD, then they would not THEMSELVES, ...stand in a position which WILL NOT BE CORRECTED. IOW, they (and YOU in your endorsement OF THEM) and their doctrine (if it is not open to change where CORRECTION might enter), stands in a position which WILL NOT BE CORRECTED.

JESUS did not have a "bachelors degree", nor did any of His Apostles... so THEY would not be allowed in this "the-ILLOGICAL" institution either.

These ARROGANT guys would IN FACT, ...TURN AWAY CHRIST, if He walked through their doors and applied for admission into their false institution.

If you cannot see the ridiculousness in what I have just said... then you are helplessly immersed in the SAME TRADITION in which this institution is immersed... which according to the WORD -- Matt 15:3-6 -- NEGATES the AFFECTIVENESS of the WORD...


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[createdtoworship]

Actually YOU "know" nothing of the kind... You only "know" the prerequisites they require... which I am about to show you are IRRELEVANT concerning the WORD of GOD...

If they were true TEACHERS of the TRUTH, then these "requirements" would certainly be different than they are...

If they were truly seeking to TEACH those which might bring TRUTH to the WORLD, then they would not THEMSELVES, ...stand in a position which WILL NOT BE CORRECTED. IOW, they (and YOU in your endorsement OF THEM) and their doctrine (if it is not open to change where CORRECTION might enter), stands in a position which WILL NOT BE CORRECTED.

JESUS did not have a "bachelors degree", nor did any of His Apostles... so THEY would not be allowed in this "the-ILLOGICAL" institution either.

These ARROGANT guys would IN FACT, ...TURN AWAY CHRIST, if He walked through their doors and applied for admission into their false institution.

If you cannot see the ridiculousness in what I have just said... then you are helplessly immersed in the SAME TRADITION in which this institution is immersed... which according to the WORD -- Matt 15:3-6 -- NEGATES the AFFECTIVENESS of the WORD...


PEACE...


...willieH

jobs also require bachelors degrees, apparently american business knows something you don't.

 

[Timothew]

yes, humor. It's a logical fallacy to make fun or create a straw man of ones possition. I.E. staying on topic and not creating a mockery of logical debate by comparing witch trials with ET. Yes, it's one fallacy after another with you. Should we expect anything more timothew?

Well, if you want we could talk about how the bible says that the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment in hell.

 

[createdtoworship]

Well, if you want we could talk about how the bible says that the wages of sin is death, not eternal torment in hell.

if death is annihilation, how come people are put to death before being properly tried in the courts of heaven? At least in my view there is justice and a proper court proceeding at the great white throne prior to condemnation to eternal hell. Your view offers no such justice.

 

[Timothew]

if death is annihilation, how come people are put to death before being properly tried in the courts of heaven? At least in my view there is justice and a proper court proceeding at the great white throne prior to condemnation to eternal hell. Your view offers no such justice.

The eternal death comes after judgment day.

Are you one of those eternal tormentalists who believe that the bad guy goes to hell for semi-eternal torment, then gets judged on judgment day and then goes BACK to hell (he says damn, not again) for more eternal torment?

 

[Timothew]

JESUS did not have a "bachelors degree", nor did any of His Apostles... so THEY would not be allowed in this "the-ILLOGICAL" institution either.
PEACE...


...willieH

I got me a bachelors degree. It's not relevant, I just like saying it.

That's what I said on graduation day, "I got me a degree!" It was too late for them to take it back.