Let's Talk About Hell (4)

[Sophrosyne]

YOU KNOW that was YOUR INTENT...

You are a heart waxed cold... the LOVE of God, absent...

Do not bother speaking to me further... I have no use for LIARS.


...willieH

A scripture comes to mind.... it has to do with various sizes of lumber....

 

[WillieH]

actually my post was rather obvious a question asking about the smilies, which instead of you engaging the question tried to bait me into a discussion about satan, which I am not interested in.

Your post made NO proposed QUESTION or REQUEST of ME! ...I was not even mentioned in it at all!

As far as "BAITING" you, into a "discussion about satan"... You are a HELL believer, and "Lets talk about HELL" happens to be the TOPIC TITLE of this thread, which CERTAINLY INCLUDES "satan" as a PARTICIPANT (or do you believe otherwise that "stan" has nothing to do with "HELL" ).

Accordingly NO "baiting" was done... You have the right to REPLY or IGNORE... seems you do more of the latter.

You, much like your buddy gradyll, are just full of EXCUSES instead of knowledge, and busily employ them to sidestep the addressing of your believed FALLACIES... which INCLUDE "satan"... ...and which have NO support in the WORD or in LOGIC.

actually if you have been paying attention there has been some heated arguments about the validity of Pluto being a planet or not and a body of top scientists took a vote on it. I find it a bit odd that they would go to all that effort and trouble if there was nothing to it.

Hmmm Let's see... If a bunch of TOP SCIENTISTS were having "HEATED arguements" about the "validity" of UFO's as to whether they are of EXTRATERRESTRIAL origin, or just an (Earthly) PHYSICAL PHENOMENON... and thereby "TOOK A VOTE" about this "validity"...

Shall that "VOTE" be the witness and ESTABLISHMENT of TRUTH either way? Which YOU or I, thereby MUST "accept"? Please! You can drink the Kool-aid... as for me, NO THANKS!

You (and your decieved buddy) are so deeply immersed in the IMAGINARY and the ILLOGICAL (concerning Scripture), and are about "accepting" whatever SCIENCE might put before you, is your own biz, ...but PLEASE DO NOT attempt to seduce me into your IMAGINARY and ILLOGICAL world...

I KNOW better! Been there, done that.

I disagree with global warming but I do think that they have some validity to some of their arguments for it, even if I don't agree with all their conclusions I don't go laughing at those who believe in it when discussing it. some photos are worth ridiculing as they are obvious attempts to deceive by people wishing for there to be aliens invading us, but there are a lot of serious people who have seen UFOs and reported it and have not been ridiculed as scientists have figured out what it was (or not).

Do you ever listen to yourself, Sos?

Am I to "understand" that YOU are hereby, the "deciding authority" as to which "UFO photos/videos are to be accepted as REAL... and then according to YOUR decision, we have YOUR permission to LAUGH at the rest? ...Are you serious, bro/sis (not sure of your gender)?

why bother? gradyll has done an adequate job explaining it,

What gradyll posts is not only EASILY REFUTED, but in most cases pretty RIDICULOUS on its own.

He does not "explain" anything... He GENERALIZES ENTIRE responses to him which contain the addressing of different points (as appears to be YOUR habit as well), ...then in REPLY, he "copies" his info from another website... and expects others to read (the mostly boring material), "absorb" it, then promptly SWALLOW the unsupported and poorly written BALONEY he has posted.

You are welcome to embrace his EMPTY offerings, and even to deem them as "adaquate" if you so choose to... But due to the ILLOGIC presented in them, I have, and shall continue to REFUTE them... with the SCRIPTURES...

even if I could do better you would just ignore what I say and use it as a platform to ridicule me and post maybe 22 laughing smilies, a bunch of colorored words and try to bait me into teaching you what an intermediate level bible study student already knows.

(1) And YOUR WORDS are not "colored", ...eh - Sos?

(2) You are as UNABLE to post viable information on this subject, and I have called you on it previously in this thread. Which of course, YOU IGNORED.

(3) I think YOU either are reading impaired as is gradyll, for it is plain to see that he is the one "IGNORING", ...as I have responded IN DETAIL to gradyll's on-going sillyness...

He, on the other hand, ...FAILS every time to address my points and question, by QUOTING my ENTIRE response (generalizing), then dropping a few (empty) words at the bottom, as if they are "adaquately" ADDRESSING the post...


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

A scripture comes to mind.... it has to do with various sizes of lumber....

Yeah, ...and it is high time, YOU READ IT... and then absorb it... Instead of SUPPORTING the intents of a LIAR.

The same, ...Shame be upon you as well... for approving another's EVIL...


PEACE...

...willieH

 

[Sophrosyne]

Yeah, ...and it is high time, YOU READ IT... and then absorb it... Instead of SUPPORTING the intents of a LIAR.

The same, ...Shame be upon you as well... for approving another's EVIL...


PEACE...

...willieH

lumber.... let it burn up

 

[WillieH]

Sophrosyne:

...13 laughing smilies? Why do you not QUESTION gradyll as you did ME?

Because in your HYPOCRISY, ...YOU have, in your failure to FOLLOW the INSTRUCTION in the WORD -- Prov 28:21 -- RESPECT of PERSONS, eh? ...which GOD says: "IS NOT GOOD"...


Originally Posted by gradyll

Did you forget the saying willy do we need to fill in the blanks?




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[Sophrosyne]

Sophrosyne:

...13 laughing smilies? Why do you not QUESTION gradyll as you did ME?

Because in your HYPOCRISY, ...YOU have, in your failure to FOLLOW the INSTRUCTION in the WORD -- Prov 28:21 -- RESPECT of PERSONS, eh? ...which GOD says: "IS NOT GOOD"...


Originally Posted by gradyll

Did you forget the saying willy do we need to fill in the blanks?




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If you put gradyll on ignore you need to stop posting things about him here...

 

[createdtoworship]

I think you should apologize to Willie. It is obvious that the only reason you brought up the origin of the Spade Phrase is to link Willie with racism.

oh so it would be better to not post the information? I was enlightening him as to the roots of the phrase, nothing more. He should be thankful not angry. Besides, the only one who should be apologizing is willie for his fleshly use of smilies.

 

[createdtoworship]

even if I could do better you would just ignore what I say and use it as a platform to ridicule me and post maybe 22 laughing smilies, a bunch of colorored words and try to bait me into teaching you what an intermediate level bible study student already knows.

exactly

 

[createdtoworship]

Updated:

1) satan does not exist (as a literal being)
2) the proton, neutron and electron do not exist (post 670)
3) the speed of light does not exist (thinks it's not proven to be 186,282 mps) post 670
4) we are all in the lake of fire burning right now (the earth) (post 724)
5) the organized church is sinful (every church unworthy of attendance) post 742, 745
6) the "body" of man is literally the "earth" (post 599)
7) the "heart" of man is literally "heaven" (post 599)
8) there is no end of the world (post 599)
9) God IS the the actual universe (which is pantheism) (instead of beyond the universe)Post 356
10) All religions are false including Christianity (post 271)
11) the beast and the devil are symbolic (post 215)
12) All orthodoxy is blasphemy (post 186)
13) man is God (of the offspring and species of God) (post 172, 161)
14) Jesus is not God however (post 183)
15) Mankind has always existed in heaven (post 172, 163)
16) there are no fallen angels, only Holy angels (post 751)
17) pluto never existed (post 759)
18) because God created farting, Jesus would condone fart talk on this christian forum (post 698)
19) belief in the existence of pluto is on par with believing in "Mickey Mouse" (post 759)

Just in case you were wondering about pluto: here is a picture from nasa

and the newest

20) Belief in the existence of pluto is on par with belief in UFO's (post 798)
21) adam and eve were serpents (post 836)
22) demon possession is not real (post 836)
23) people who are angry and violent are demon possessed (post 836)

 

[createdtoworship]

PART 2...



"it is POSSIBLE?" --- This is a MAJOR defect in your theology gradyll, for like many things you "believe", this one is clearly derived via SPECULATION!

No Scripture makes ANY such SUGGESTION... It notes that the SERPENT was present in the Garden... in the persons of ADAM and EVE... which were the ones which were CURIOUS, ...QUESTIONING... the TRUTH that YHVH had spoken -- Gen 3:4-6 -- Just as when YOU are presented DECISIONS during the course of your life, which contain either GOOD or EVIL as the options... There is NO INVISIBLE, INAUDIBLE, "talking SNAKE"... suggests these options to YOU... YOU consider them as YOUR CHOICES.

The SCRIPTURE notes that "the "serpent" was MORE SUBTIL than ANY BEAST of the Garden"... An ACTUAL SNAKE is considered as part of the ANIMAL kingdom... which indeed IS a BEAST. The ones in the Garden MORE SUBTIL were MAN... Being INTELLIGENT, MUCH MORE than ANY animal, including SNAKES.

The word "SUBTIL" found in -- Gen 3:1 -- is -- H6175 -- ARUWM -- which means "CUNNING"... animals are not CUNNING... Cunning is the EXHIBITING of SKILL, and is CLEVER, and/or CRAFTY... these are characteristics of HUMAN INTELLIGENCE and are definitely CALCULATING processes...

EVE... by the internal and NATURAL suggestion of her own DECEITFUL heart, decided to EAT! Just as,

YOU in your life, of your own DECEITFUL heart, once decided to SIN!

There was no "TALKING SNAKE" that prompted YOU, gradyll... YOU did it, and in YOUR DOING, YOU brought the curse of SIN upon YOURSELF, and the penalty that accompanies it -- Rom 3:23 -- 6:23 -- which is WHY ...DEATH is required of YOU (and all other sinners).


MAN is made in the IMAGE of GOD, which KNOWS ALL THINGS... and is ESPECIALLY "cunning"... One does not have to look too far to see MUCH... CUNNING, within the Human race.


The HEART which is DECEITFUL above ALL THINGS (which would include "satan") ...is the NATURAL state of MAN, beginning with ADAM (and EVE) -- Rom 5:12 -- this verse states that SIN ENTERED by the DOING of ADAM (and his own DECEITFUL HEART, which decieves by NATURE)... not by the deception of a "TALKING SNAKE".



FIRST --- Yet another LITERAL observation of SPIRITUAL text. As I have said before, ANY UNBELIEVER of ANY religion or even UNSPIRITUAL ATHEISM, could read these passages, and come up with the COMMON ORTHODOX vision. There is NOTHING SPIRITUAL whatsoever in this "interpretation" of the men of Gergesenes.

To begin with, this is not evidence of "possession" the word means to be vexed by a BAD SPIRIT, which ANYONE can manifest that is ANGRY -- Matt 8:30-32 -- Nor of presence of "demons" (fallen angels)... Just ANGRY men, as one might say, ...with VIOLENT tendencies.

The men @ Gergesenes had strong ADVERSITY within them which made them VIOLENT... the ADVERSITY of VIOLENCE (which infests men oftentimes) is that which was CAST out of the men...

As well NO ONE has EVER ADVISED or COUNSELED GOD -- Rom 11:34 -- Isaiah 40:13 -- so the "request" was not a bunch of DEMONS "advising" (even DIRECTING) CHRIST! ...

Please! The state of the MEN was that which prompted CHRIST to free them... as CHRIST was MERCIFUL unto them. A healing... not a bunch of disobedient "ANGELS" which thought to DIRECT & even ORDER CHRIST to send them into the PIGS!


If these are actually were the SPIRITUAL beings that you contend they were, ...the casting of them from the MEN into the PIGS did NOTHING to them. "SPIRITS" do not "DROWN" or PERISH in water!


What affects MAN, affects the Creation which was GIVEN over to Him by GOD -- Gen 1:29-30 -- Why does a cat or a dog run in front of a car? Because some "demon" told it to, or "possessed it?


Nah.


Do you actually think that PIGS "think" intelligently? And be directed to their deaths by SPIRITS? What LANGUAGE do "DEMONS" (spirits) and PIGS (physical uncommunicative animals) commonly share that they might communicate? (i.e the PIGS given the order by the DEMONS to KILL themselves?)


SECOND --- Where is there proof there are DEMONS in the WORD? The word "demon" does not even appear in the WORD.




My point exactly... "satan" IS NOT a LION, nor DRAGON, nor SNAKE, nor ever was at any time, an "ANGEL of LIGHT"... IT is the PRINCIPALITY of ADVERSITY. Which is EVERYWHERE and in EVERYONE...

ADVERSITY is seen in many forms in life, ...but remains ONE THING = ADVERSITY.

And thet ADVERSITY within the FLESH is our ENEMY, not some mythical THEOLOGICAL INVENTION beileved to be a BEING, with other "evil comrades"...





Again you apply SPECULATION to your observation...


Actually the passage to which you refer -- Eph 2:1-2 -- does not mention or refer to "satan", it refers to the "course of THIS WORLD"... Which is the NATURAL state of man.

The word "AIR" in this verse means to "breathe unconciously"... MEN who are NATURALLY walking according to the COURSE of THIS WORLD, are MEN that are walking according to the "PRINCE of the POWER of the AIR", in the NATURAL state of MAN, which is DECEITFUL above ALL THINGS -- Jer 17:9 -- and is UNCONVERTED to HOLINESS...

The "prince of the power of the air", are in the DARK (as JESUS put it, are "the DEAD which bury the DEAD"), ...walking DEAD according to the ways of "unconsciousness to Holiness" ...of DEATH, ...rather than walking according to the WAY of LIFE -- John 14:6





MOST LIKELY? ...is there a SPECULATION PATTERN forming here? ...ABSOLUTELY!


AGAIN, ...this is totally CONJECTURE on your part... In an attempt to skirt the issue which "issue" WAS DEFINED by CHRIST within the text... There is no "guesswork" in this text, gradyll!

JESUS CLEARLY called Peter "satan"... and none of what you just suggested is in the passage.

JESUS CLEARLY defined what this address of Peter actually was:

Matt 16:23 (BOLDED words are the DEFINITION from CHRIST) -- But He turned unto PETER, ...GET THEE BEHIND ME... SATAN, thou are an offense unto Me... [definition:] ...for THOU SAVOREST not the things that be of GOD, but THOSE THAT BE of MEN --

NOT that "be of "GOD"... but those things that... BE OF MEN!

Therefore the THINGS that "Peter" whos is addressed as "satan" in this TEXT are --->

THOSE things that BE OF MEN = "satan" = THOSE things that BE of MEN.

Which is WHY the TRADITIONS (things) THAT BE of MEN, ...when they are embraced and repeated and believed, make the WORD of NONE EFFECT -- Matt 15:6

"satan" the ADVERSARY of GOD = Those THINGS that BE of MEN.




Is that it gradyll?

"satan" is no more a "he" then is ANGER, or NERVOUSNESS...

"satan" is the PRINCIPALITY of ADVERSITY ...in MAN.

Wherever MAN is... within his makeup in the NATURAL is the ADVERSITY which is OF the FLESH as PAUL aptly noted in his own confession:

Rom 7:22-23 ...

22 -- For I delight in the law of God after the INWARD man [CHRIST]
23 -- but I see ANOTHER LAW, IN MY MEMBERS, ...WARRING [Rev 12:7 ]... against the law of my MIND, and bringing ME into the CAPTIVITY of the law of SIN which ...IS ...IN... MY MEMBERS.

Do you think PAUL, here, is "demon possessed", gradyll?

[not brought into CAPTIVITY by an "external" ...being, called "satan"]


Actually Scripture notes that NO ONE COUNSELS YHVH -- Isaiah 40:13 -- Rom 11:34 -- as wel -- Eph 1:11 -- notes that ALL THINGS are done (worked) ACCORDING to the ADVISEMENTS of the WILL of YHVH God.

GOD is the one which SENDS men INTO CAPTIVITY -- Jer 29:14 -- and, GOD is the one which DELIVERS men FROM that CAPTIVITY.

With NO RESPECT of PERSONS involved -- Prov 28:21 -- Acts 10:34

Which = GOD is IN CONTROL of ALL THINGS... which means that "satan" (whatever you believe it to be), ...is IN CONTROL of NO-"THING".

So, the passage which mentions "satan" in -- Job 2:4-5 -- cannot BE a "BEING"... for NO ONE at ANY TIME has "counselled YHVH" As these 2 verses (Rom 11:34 -- Isaiah 40:13) BOTH testify.

In order for "satan" to ADVISE YHVH and therefore be a "BEING"... would also make "satan" a "WHO" (advising entity and "COUNSELLOR")... Which thinking is DENIED by these 2 verses.



NOW that I have answered your QUESTIONS... I will note these FEW questions [***] ...that I have posed in this answer for YOU to answer these:



*** (4) -- Please PROVE with SCRIPTURE where "satan" comes as a SNAKE.



*** (5) Please PROVE with SCRIPTURE where "satan" comes as an ANGEL (especially of "LIGHT")... or where "satan" is mentioned as BEING an ANGEL at all...


*** Rom 7:22-23 ...

22 -- For I delight in the law of God after the INWARD man [CHRIST]
23 -- but I see ANOTHER LAW, IN MY MEMBERS, ...WARRING [Rev 12:7 ]... against the law of my MIND, and bringing ME into the CAPTIVITY of the law of SIN which ...IS ...IN... MY MEMBERS.

Do you think PAUL, here, is "demon possessed", gradyll?


Thanks for your answers...


PEACE...


...willieH

so you believe that men should cast out the spirit of anger do you? Like the pentecostals. Instead of repenting of it? Because casting out is not the same as repenting, they are different greek words.

secondly, what is a principality of adversity? Willie? Do you even know? Or is this something else that you made up out of thin air?

thirdly, Satan is an angel of light:

2 Corinthians 11:14
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

 

[createdtoworship]

Sophrosyne:

...13 laughing smilies? Why do you not QUESTION gradyll as you did ME?

Because in your HYPOCRISY, ...YOU have, in your failure to FOLLOW the INSTRUCTION in the WORD -- Prov 28:21 -- RESPECT of PERSONS, eh? ...which GOD says: "IS NOT GOOD"...


Originally Posted by gradyll

Did you forget the saying willy do we need to fill in the blanks?




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because the smilies were not posted for Sophrosyne, but for you. If I had posted a barrage of smilies at sophrosyne He could complain about how rude it was. But you can't because "Thou art the man" 2 Sam 12:7

 

[Sophrosyne]

because the smilies were not posted for Sophrosyne, but for you. If I had posted a barrage of smilies at sophrosyne He could complain about how rude it was. But you can't because "Thou art the man" 2 Sam 12:7

When posts lack humor, are not sarcastic, attack an individual, and are laced with laughing smilies there are two ways you can take it... either you are being mocked or the person posting it is so full of themselves that everything they disagree with is seen as a joke to them.

 

[createdtoworship]

When posts lack humor, are not sarcastic, attack an individual, and are laced with laughing smilies there are two ways you can take it... either you are being mocked or the person posting it is so full of themselves that everything they disagree with is seen as a joke to them.

true

 

[WillieH]

If you put gradyll on ignore you need to stop posting things about him here...

My post was not about him it was about YOU!

What I do concerning gradyll, does not excuse your hypocrisy.

PEACE...


...willieH

 

[Sophrosyne]

My post was not about him it was about YOU!

What I do concerning gradyll, does not excuse your hypocrisy.

PEACE...


...willieH

you certainly don't need to invest in any cookware to yell at

 

[WillieH]

because the smilies were not posted for Sophrosyne, but for you. If I had posted a barrage of smilies at sophrosyne He could complain about how rude it was. But you can't because "Thou art the man" 2 Sam 12:7

What a ding-dong! TOTALLY devoid and deficient of any recognizeable mental ability, ...you do not even SEE that your own words, INCRIMINATE YOURSELF, in a knuckleheaded attempt to INCRIMINATE me... CONGRATS brother HERM, ...another TRIPLE--->

YOU posted MORE smilies in ONE POST, than I did in TWO!

If it was "RUDE" as "done by me", then it is "RUDE" as "done by YOU"!

Enough of you, and your sorrowful LACK of knowledge as well as your MEANINGLESS, ILLOGICAL, EMPTY, PRIDEFUL, LOVELESS and totally foolish applications of the WORD...

I will be commenting on your offerings... but not answering you, ...tired of speaking to NONSENSE, with no more knowledge of the WORD, than the WALL.



...willieH

 

[WillieH]

you certainly don't need to invest in any cookware to yell at

MORE nonsense, unworthy of a reply.

 

[createdtoworship]

What a ding-dong! TOTALLY devoid and deficient of any recognizeable mental ability, ...you do not even SEE that your own words, INCRIMINATE YOURSELF, in a knuckleheaded attempt to INCRIMINATE me... CONGRATS brother HERM, ...another TRIPLE--->

YOU posted MORE smilies in ONE POST, than I did in TWO!

If it was "RUDE" as "done by me", then it is "RUDE" as "done by YOU"!

Enough of you, and your sorrowful LACK of knowledge as well as your MEANINGLESS, ILLOGICAL, EMPTY, PRIDEFUL, LOVELESS and totally foolish applications of the WORD...

I will be commenting on your offerings... but not answering you, ...tired of speaking to NONSENSE, with no more knowledge of the WORD, than the WALL.



...willieH

at least I know how to repent from sin, you still live in your transgressions. You have never once said in this forum that you were wrong or said you are sorry for calling people names and insulting them (like calling someone a ding dong for example). Thats not very loving and first John says if you have don't have love you are not saved.

“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. -1 John 4:7-8


oh and about calling me a fool....

22b and whosoever shall say to his brother, Racac, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. –Matthew 5:22

 

[Sophrosyne]

MORE nonsense, unworthy of a reply.

umm.... but you did reply

 

[WillieH]

To anyone except "gradyll"... which has EARS to HEAR...

at least I know how to repent from sin, you still live in your transgressions. You have never once said in this forum that you were wrong or said you are sorry for calling people names and insulting them (like calling someone a ding dong for example). Thats not very loving and first John says if you have don't have love you are not saved.

Wow! gradyll employs the deeply intellectual and spiritual, "I know you are but what am I?" method here, eh?

(1) listen to this guy? When has gradyll admitted AT ANY TIME, that he was wrong? About ANYTHING?

I do not seek "right or wrong", nor do I identify another as "right or wrong"...

I SEEK TRUTH... and REVELATION of that which GOD has for me to KNOW within my course, ...and to SHARE that information which.. as I see it MUST coincide with the premises of LOVE, REASON, and VICTORY...

Said information which contains these 3... will ALWAYS exalt YHVH God and His Son... Unfortunately, the MANY which claim to be followers of CHRIST -- Matt 5:22-23 -- Matt 24:5 -- will be teaching doctrine to the WORLD that GOD so (UNCHANGINGLY) LOVES, ...that which is comprised of OTHER than these THREE... Actively DECIEVING those to whom they preach.

(2) Instead of reaching out the hand of fellowship, this guy has IGNORED me and my words... Mostly because he really has no beliefs or understanding of his own which has been gained by PERSONAL fellowship with the MOST HIGH..-- Jer 29:14 -- It is a PERSONAL thing... and only those who PERSONALLY DEDICATE themselves to GOD, shall FIND Him...

MOST will find and embrace, ...the TRADITIONS of MEN, being too LAZY and UNDEDICATED to YHVH.

(3) Then gradyll has the audacity to complain that I don't have LOVE for him, when I have:

(a) NAMED him a ''SON of the MOST HIGH"? And,
(b) have noted I pray for him! And,
(c) have apologized to him on one occasion (which was ignored). And (d) have wished him the PEACE of God in each of my answers?

When has gradyll done ANY of these things toward me? (oh yeah, he wished me PEACE, ...an AMAZING and UNDERWHELMING... ONE TIME... )

(4) As far as naming gradyll a "ding dong", I calls'em as I see's'em... I mean no harm to this man... He and I have never met, so why should I be on an agenda to bring harm to him?

gradyll is busily naming others which are SEEKING God as "CULTS"... without ANY AUTHORITY to NAME CALL these people which are EVERY BIT as sincere, as gradyll considers himself...


(5) This man has also alluded to ME being RACIAL... when I have FIVE people in my IMMEDIATE FAMILY (4 Grandchildren, and son-in-law) that are BLACK...

Not only that, but, ...TWO of my BEST friends EVER are MEXICAN... I support 2 BLACK children which I have never met! I was raised in East Los Angeles, the literal MELTING POT of the RACES, in which my childhood friends were MORE of other RACES than my own... Some "racist"...

Gradyll is just a child, with NO BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE of his own, whining continually as he brings against me, EXACTLY what HE does himself... So blind he cannot see his own HYPOCRITICAL state.

Recently He called my usage of "14 laughing smilies" = (total in TWO different posts), ...as RUDE, and indeed did himself, the very same thing to ME!

I guess because he only used "13 laughing smilies" (total in ONE POST)... I guess he was ONE "under the standard" of "RUDENESS"? Please! ...A HYPOCRITE of the highest order...

“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.”-1 John 3:14

He COPIES this verse from wherever, but does not READ, nor apply it to himself...

Seeking to DEMEAN instead of HELP a brother which "he percieves" is in error. (more of this brand of HYPOCRISY to come )

7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. -1 John 4:7-8

No LOVE has come forth from gradyll toward me...

In fact, he is so OUT OF TOUCH with the premise of LOVE, that he even named to another (gossiping) that the CANCER which I am (3yrs) battling, is that which "I use" as an EXCUSE! ...can he be more in the dark? Somebody PLEASE lend him some light, as he will not listen to it from me!

Can gradyll be more disattached to the TRUE premise of LOVE, as well as be ANY MORE INDIFFERENT (which is the opposite of LOVE) than IS this misguided young man?

He quotes the WORD in vain, for he does not KNOW WHY the WORD exists, nor does he PRACTICE what he preaches toward others.

Here is another example of the MISUSE of the WORD, devoid from ANY semblance that can be called the GOSPEL:

oh and about calling me a fool....

22b and whosoever shall say to his brother, Racac, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. –Matthew 5:22

Listen to this VENGENT and UNLOVING person! Seeking MY DESTRUCTION instead of showing me the "turn the other cheek" example, ABSENT in his own contention.

gradyll IS, what he IS... ...and what he IS, is a HYPOCRITE:

JESUS called the RELIGIOUS ONES (like the HYPOCRITE gradyll) which PROMOTED the TRADITIONS of MEN ...FOOLS (his own beliefs by his own admission being of the TRADITIONAL variety, which he COPIES from the "dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary") -- Matt 23:13-33

Failing to see the SCRIPTURES are not They which are to be USED as a WEAPON of DESTRUCTION... rather ...They are the DIVINE LETTER of LOVE, from the GOD which IS LOVE -- 1 John 4:8 -- which LOVES ALL men and is about the SAVING of ALL...

I am come in the NAME of CHRIST... and I DO as He DID... That gradyll complains of his SHAMEFULNESS being exposed, is not my problem...

Most TRADITIONAL people (Matt 15:6) are WITHOUT a "sense of humor", STIFF-NECKED... thinking themselves as "Holy"... and in that deception falling SHORT of KNOWING the LOVE of CHRIST -- Eph 3:19 --

Which is extended TO ALL PEOPLE -- 1 Tim 2:6 -- Luke 2:10 -- and which, in their DECIEVED hearts -- Jer 17:9 -- will NOT be KNOWN BY HIM -- Matt 7:22-23 -- instead, REJECTED by Him...


To be pitied and prayed for...


PEACE unto all which SEEK YHVH and His Son JESUS --


...willieH