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four words for Hell,

sheol, hades, gehennah and the lake of fire

but it's the lake of fire that Satan, death, and Hades are thrown into

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The beast and the false prophet are in this lake of fire for over a thousand years
 
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If you have truly forgiven me for my beliefs, then why do you still call them foolish and childish and a host of other things?

I have not "forgiven you for your beliefs"... Your beliefs are your own affair... and I do not seek to change you in any way... Only GOD changes the heart, or even speaks to it...

Men either believe what other men have taught them, or they SEEK GOD for themselves in a completely WHOLE HEART and on a PERSONAL basis...

I have forgiven you for your FALSE REPORTING of both the WORD of GOD (your teaching of HELL and ET, and your threatenings of the WORLD that GOD so LOVES), ...as well as for MY own words which you MISREPRESENTED and EXAGGERATED on a regular basis, ...FALSELY reporting of me, and what I have said... :doh:

This "FORGIVENESS" does not remove the "childishness" and "foolishness" of your on-going MISREPRESENTING methods, gradyll...

NOR does that "FORGIVENESS" entitle you to continue IN THOSE methods... on the basis you have been forgiven for past offenses...

Just because you have been forgiven for something, does not give you LICENSE to return to the purposed manifestation of the same problems for which you were forgiven... :confused:

No more than a thief, if he is forgiven for his SIN... and promptly begins STEALING again... Childishly and Foolishly, ...Expecting to be FORGIVEN for his NEW offenses, on the basis that prior FORGIVENESS was given FOR the ones in the past... :doh:

Capiesh? :confused:


gradyll said:
you just need to let all your bitterness go or else....

"OR ELSE"? :doh:


FIRST --- You preach the "gospel" (which it hardly is), ...the "GOOD NEWS" of "THREATENING"? ... :doh: How CONTRARY to "GOOD NEWS" is THAT which you teach, gradlyll!


SECOND --- LOVE (as defined in -- 1 Cor 13) does not "threaten"...

Please show in -- 1 Cor 13 -- when and where, LOVE "THREATENS"? ...

You presently observe SCRIPTURE in the FLESH of TRADITION... and therefore, take its words LITERALLY... accepting the UNREASONABLE THREATENINGS of the WORLD that God SO (unchangingly) LOVES, ...which have been taught you by MEN -- Mark 7:7 -- do YOU TEACH the same TRADITION laden fallacies... which include THREATENING... not LOVE.


Instead of seeking GOD for yourself, and LEARNING in the SPIRIT... which includes REASON, and the fulfilling of the DESIRES and INTENTS of YHVH God... which IS HIS LOVE for the WORLD -- 1 John 4:8 -- John 3:16-17


THIRD --- I am in NO WAY "bitter" as you falsely propose... Please! ^_^

Just because YOU are opposed by me, does not eqaute me to being "bitter"...

If anything, I have and WILL inform you that:

YOU ARE... and ALWAYS WILL BE a SON of the MOST HIGH...

And I wish you His PEACE in every interaction between us (including this one),

while...

In "BITTERNESS"... you cannot even muster ONE WORD of kindness, peace, and LOVE, toward me? ...instead, busily write words of THREATENING to me...

So which of us is truly "bitter", gradyll? And which of us, is in denial? :confused:

You WILL find out soon, gradyll... and your TEARS shall be experienced... only to find ME... standing behind our FATHER, ...in humility, following and echoing then and NOW, ....HIS FORGIVENESS of you -- Matt 5:38-48 -- with my own... :thumbsup:



PEACE... :groupray:


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four words for Hell,

sheol, hades, gehennah and the lake of fire

but it's the lake of fire that Satan, death, and Hades are thrown into

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The beast and the false prophet are in this lake of fire for over a thousand years



How deficient of TRUTH and LIFE, is this "TRADITIONAL", unspiritual post -- Mark 7:7

FULL of DEATH, devoid of LIFE... FULL of fallacy... devoid of TRUTH...

If the "Lake of FIRE" were indeed "HELL", how can it be cast into ITSELF?


HADES & SHEOL both mean the GRAVE... the WORLD of DEATH.

GEHENNA means SHAME -- and the TONGUE that promotes it, is UNTAMED and OUGHT NOT SO TO BE -- James 3:6-10 (especially verse 9)


Got "NEWS" forya, gradyll...

YOU are IN the "LAKE of FIRE", ...NOW!

And you ARE gathering your SHAME before the throne of GRACE, ...NOW! -- 1 Cor 3:11-15 -- The FIRE which consumes your SHAME (which took place in this life), though you shall SUFFER LOSS from it, ...shall be your Savior... for OUR GOD (who, ...ever IS) ...IS a CONSUMING FIRE -- Heb 12:29

As we LIVE (in FIRE) and move and have our BEING.. IN HIM (FIRE) -- Acts 17:28 -- NOW!


PEACE... :groupray:


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Enough about fart jokes, thats not the purpose of this forum, if you want to fart and make jokes about about it, make up your own forum. Thankx

Worthy of another TRIPLE! ^_^ ^_^

HEY, ...I only replied to YOUR continuance of the subject, that was spoken as a passing light-hearted comment, and then was, ...WITHOUT a sense of humor, albeit, ...WITH "stiff-neck" in tow, ...(as prophesied) a FEDERAL CASE was established and then, ...sustained by YOU... :D


PEACE... :groupray:


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Worthy of another TRIPLE! ^_^ ^_^

HEY, ...I only replied to YOUR continuance of the subject, that was spoken as a passing light-hearted comment, and then was, ...WITHOUT a sense of humor, albeit, ...WITH "stiff-neck" in tow, ...(as prophesied) a FEDERAL CASE was established and then, ...sustained by YOU... :D


PEACE... :groupray:


...willieH :hug:

You ran with it, what are you talking about. (saying Jesus created farting and therefore it is a worthy topic of a christian forum....and so on )
 
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enough talk of farting, yes we fart, no it's not funny,

That you have no sense of humor, is your own personal problem bro, as I see it. ^_^


gradyll said:
and no it's not God's will to speek of these things.

Oh really? ...I am curious...

What Scripture says: "IT IS NOT GOD'S WILL to speak of thes things"? What VERSION of the WORD did YOU get that from? Or are you as ususal, just "shootin' from the hip", your OWN original fallacies?



gradyll said:
We should really get back on topic (willie).

I agree (to "getting back on topic" -- as if YOU know anything about it ^_^).

And btw... ;)



gradyll said:
Hear the word of God

I HAVE "HEARD" (35+ years worth -- blue italics)...and methinks you should "LISTEN" to your own offerings:



James

1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. - King James Version

This is a BIG "take heeder" forya gradyll! What "bridling" have you done?



Luke 6:45
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. - King James Version

WHAT "GOOD" is found in the HELL which YOU "bring forth" from YOUR HEART, brother gradyll?

Condeming the WORLD is that which is EVIL -- James 3:6-10 -- which YOU DO often... and is certainly not something a particularly GOOD man has upon his agenda. Proposing in your EVIL, out of YOUR HEART, ...that GOD shall BURN mercilessly, FAR more and FAR worse than HITLER ever thought of doing!

In YOUR observation... HITLER should be the "poster child" for GOD... for HELL, makes "HITLERS" doing, ...so trivial, as to be ONE piece of DUST amongst ALL the DUST of the EARTH and ALL the DUST in the UNIVERSE, and if there is any DUST in Heaven, ...ALL the DUST there too!

The GOOD NEWS is this ----> 1 Tim 4:9-11 -- Rom 5:18-20 -- 2 Cor 5:19 -- John 1:29 -- Acts 3:21 -- 1 Cor 15:22, 28 -- Phil 2:10-11 -- Col 1:20 -- How many verses shall you continue to IGNORE?




Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

JESUS was SENT NOT to CONDEMN, and His WORD says that IS the message of RECONCILILIATION -- 2 Cor 5:19 -- Col 1:20 --

Better watch YOUR own "WORDS" coming out YOUR mouth brother gradyll, ...which are often FILLED with CONDEMNATION of men MADE in the IMAGE of GOD -- James 3:6-11 -- which "condemnation" IS NOT of Him, ...for He did NOT CONDEMN -- John 8:11 -- and HE IS the SAME, yesterday, today AND forever -- Heb 13:8



Poor brother gradyll, ...so pathetically unable to SHOW LOVE to a brother... pretty sad, bro...pretty sad. :sigh: ...claiming you represent LOVE = coming in the name of CHRIST -- yet unable to show LOVE" :doh:...unable to FORGIVE? :doh:...pretty sad.




Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. - King James Version
- King James Version

This of course is speaking of SPIRITUALLY CORRUPT words, not the word, ..."fart"... ^_^ ...and ...If you are so "BIG" on GRACE, ...HOW can you believe in HELL? brother gradyll? :confused:

If GRACE is ministered to the HEARER, what PLACE has HELL in your speech brother gradyll? :confused:

For GRACE is MUCH MORE PRESENT that ANY and ALL SIN -- Rom 1:20 -- or don't you "believe" that either? Thinking SIN is greater than the GRACE of GOD? Is THAT what you "believe, brother gradyll"? :sorry:

How long and how much shall you IGNORE in the WORD?




Titus 2:5-85
To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
6Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
7In all things showing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
8Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
- King James Version

You got a lot to work on here, bro...

UNCORRUPTNESS? You continually teach a FALSE representation of the GOD of LOVE, -- John 4:8 -- failing to FORGIVE -- Matt 5:38-48 -- failing to SHOW LOVE to a brother when it is commanded of you -- 1 John 4:20 ...

+ Teaching men to FEAR, via your THREATENINGS of them, when GOD's WORD clearly says that FEAR is CAST OUT by LOVE? -- 1 John 4:18


+ Teaching GOD is the HATER of most of MANKIND, by CHANGING Him via your CORRUPT teaching, into a GOD who says that HE LOVES, and sent His SON NOT to CONDEMN -- John 3:17 --but according to YOU and YOUR REPORT, He shall condemn them to "HELL", ...

+ Teaching that that HE shall have nothing to do with "HELL"?, that it is SEPARATE from Him? -- How 2 faced can your message be?


+ Teaching that YHVH GOD and His CHRIST FAILED to "SAVE the WORLD, that He SO (UNCHANINGLY -- Mal 3:6 -- Heb 13:8 -- James 1:17) -- LOVES?


Just ...A LOT to work on there, bro... A LOT!




PEACE... :groupray:


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I have not "forgiven you for your beliefs"...

so because you hold unforgiveness in your heart it's okay now to belittle and demean others until you get your way? And this is not childish?

And besides unforgiveness is a sin

here's proof

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. –Matthew 6:14-15

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. –Matthew 18:35

20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Haveb faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. –Mark 11:20-26

27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 † Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 † Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. –Luke 6:27-38
 
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wow, I take it back maybe the fart topic was a better conversation. At least it had some truth to it.

Both have "TRUTH" to them, and BOTH escape YOU... in your LITERAL (unspiritual) observation of the WORD...

I can PROVE with the Scriptures that THIS WORLD, is the LAKE of FIRE... let's see you PROVE that it is NOT...

Btw... You will have to FIRST PROVE that it is not (since YOU have already SAID there is NO TRUTH to it being the LOF)... ;)

I seriously DOUBT that you have done any relevant study of the Revelation, but give it your best shot, that is, ...if you have one... ^_^

Provide YOUR PROOF from the SCRIPTURES that this WORLD is NOT the "LAKE of FIRE"... which is a SYMBOLIC term, not found ANYWHERE in the WORD except the book of the REVEALING of JESUS CHRIST...

WHICH is a CLUE in case you don't HAVE one... ^_^ (a "clue" that is ^_^)

I await your "study" on this premise... (but again, no "breath holding" will be done by me! ^_^)


PEACE... :groupray:


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wow, I take it back maybe the fart topic was a better conversation. At least it had some truth to it.
well.... what powers farts isn't far off from what is behind some of the logic that is drifting around here :doh:
 
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Both have "TRUTH" to them, and BOTH escape YOU... in your LITERAL (unspiritual) observation of the WORD...

I can PROVE with the Scriptures that THIS WORLD, is the LAKE of FIRE... let's see you PROVE that it is NOT...

Btw... You will have to FIRST PROVE that it is not (since YOU have already SAID there is NO TRUTH to it being the LOF)... ;)

I seriously DOUBT that you have done any relevant study of the Revelation, but give it your best shot, that is, ...if you have one... ^_^

Provide YOUR PROOF from the SCRIPTURES that this WORLD is NOT the "LAKE of FIRE"... which is a SYMBOLIC term, not found ANYWHERE in the WORD except the book of the REVEALING of JESUS CHRIST...

WHICH is a CLUE in case you don't HAVE one... ^_^ (a "clue" that is ^_^)

I await your "study" on this premise... (but again, no "breath holding" will be done by me! ^_^)


PEACE... :groupray:


...willieH :hug:

I think the burden of proof lies on you:

1) Jesus likes farts because he created them

2) there is no atom

3) there is no speed of light

and the recent addition:

4) we are all currently in the lake of fire
 
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You know if a person spends their lifetime sinning and is proud of it, I find it ironic that some people don't think he deserves a reward for it and be able to relish the fact. Annihilationism doesn't allow those who want to hate God forever a chance to but contends those who want to love God forever are guaranteed the chance. Why is only Satan allowed to hate God forever is he better than other evil men or more special?
 
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so because you hold unforgiveness in your heart it's okay now to belittle and demean others until you get your way?

FIRST --- You are the one UNFORGIVING... YOU are the one UNLOVING bro... YOU address me with DISDAIN... and, worst of ALL, ...in your NEGATIVITY, ...attempt to THREATEN me with the WORD of LOVE, and even though I have FORGIVEN you for that... You continue to WITHOLD "forgiveness"...

WHERE is your alleged "LOVE" for your brother, gradyll? As I have already noted, it is NO-WHERE.

Why should I "forgive you" for your BELIEFS? That you or I or anyone else is UNREVEALED is not a matter of FORGIVENESS...

GOD blinded the JEWS from KNOWING and understanding JESUS... so they are, to this day, UNBELIEVERS in CHRIST! -- Rom 11:26 -- Do you HONESTLY think that GOD in BLINDING them of HIS WILL, needs to FORGIVE them for NOT KNOWING CHRIST? Please!

How ridiculous can it get, gradyll?

That is like YOU blinding ME, and then YOU BLAMING me for being BLIND! Get a clue... and LEARN to LOVE... instead of endeavoring to be "right"!

I do not "want my way"! ^_^ Please! You think FAR too much of yourself, to imagine that what "YOU BELIEVE" is important to me! ^_^ I could care less what YOU "believe"... nor whether you gain TRUTH or not!

It is MY work and desire that the WILL of GOD be done, no matter what it is! If it is that you or I come to know TRUTH in any given area, GOOD... but what YOU "want", and what I "want" is IRRELEVANT and amounts to NOTHING but SELFishness...

What GOD "wants" is EVERYTHING.

What matters to me is the TRUTH. Not whether YOU know 50% and I, 40%! this is not to be our desire! We are to DESIRE to be, do and go wherever HE wishes we do in any given moment, and whateve HE wishes we ARE in any given moment, and where HE wishes we go in any given moment! NOT that I AM more han YOu or YOU, more than I...

We are BOTH NOTHING but that which HE desires we BE! This is WHY you are childish... and foolish... for you make it a "YOU against ME thing" instead of a "GOD and YOU, ...along with a GOD and ME thing"

And any foolish reporting of GOD as a MONSTER which is MERCILESS, UNLOVING, UNREASONABLE and UNJUST ...such as the REPORT that YOU PRESENT... is not worth ANYTHING, certainly NOT worth my concern. The only thing that concerns me about YOU, is that YOU might mislead another.

I have not posted recently on YOUR behalf... Only for those which are SINCERELY, and on a PERSONAL basis, ...seeking their MAKER... that they will not be MISLED by such as yourself. and join the UNLEARNED, UNLOVING, and UNPEACEFUL.

SECOND --- concerning "DEMEANING"... I have pointed out your fallacies with SCRIPTURE, and you complain of "cartoon faces"... instead of REFUTING what I say... mostly because YOU are UNLEARNED, and UNABLE to do so...

gradyll said:
And this is not childish?

You are both CHILDISH and FOOLISH... and I have already proven it.

No need to repeat for those who WILL NOT HEAR... Review the past 20 or 30 postings in this discussion, it's already covered in there...

gradyll said:
And besides unforgiveness is a sin -- It is and you need to confess it

here's proof --- NAH... here are your grades for these:

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. –Matthew 6:14-15 --- FAIL

35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. –Matthew 18:35 --- FAIL

20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. 22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Haveb faith in God. 23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. –Mark 11:20-26 --- FAIL

27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 † Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 † Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. –Luke 6:27-38 --- FAIL

You FAIL to correspond to ANY of these Scriptures...

YOU have not BLESSED anyone!

YOU have not FORGIVEN anyone!

YOU have not received FORGIVENESS of your sins and you shall face your SHAME, as YOU are unable to FORGIVE... or BLESS... :sigh: ...or find correction that will enable you to do these... thinking yourself above correction.


Again... no need to continue to repeat for the DEAF...

Those that are seeking will glean from what I have already posted to you... you are as JESUS noted of PHARISEES, ...a BLIND GUIDE, a WHITED SEPULCRE... teaching our LOVING GOD to be as MERCILESS, GRACE-LESS, FORGIVINGLESS, bent upon VENGENCE as YOU ARE... which are in truth, define the CONDITION of your own HEART.

You are welcome to your coming SHAME bro... and I will continue -- in spite of your... foolish and childish ARROGANCE and UNWILLINGNESS to respond to questions asked you, and Scriptures presented you...

To PRAY over the hardness of your heart... that it be SOFTENED... and that you might one day, ...join the Holy PEACE and GRACE of the GOSPEL of GOD -- Rom 10:15 -- Eph 6:15 -- Rom 15:33 -- Rom 15:19 --- rather then remaining a TAINTED "newpaper" reporting of HELLISH destinies for those whom GOD so ETERNALLY - LOVES -- John 3:16-17

Immersed in the GEHENNA SHAME of the offerings of your TONGUE -- James 3:6-10 -- which you CANNOT within your current ARROGANCE, ...tame... and which the WORD CLEARLY says "OUGHT NOT so to BE" :sigh: -- FULL of the UNLOVINGNESS of MERCILESS VENGENCE which LIVES within your heart, and which thereby proceeds from your tainted and SHAMEFUL MOUTH... Making a bigger deal out of a "FART", then the TRUTH of YHVH God...

If you really wanted to learn, then you would cease CUTTING and PASTING the foolishness of the "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary"... and learn for yourself WHO God IS, and what He wants of you...


HERE you ARE brother gradyll ----> Mark 7:7-9 -- Matt 7:22-23 -- Matt 24:5-12 -- and more than likely, ...THERE you shall REMAIN... :sigh:


Wishing you the PEACE... of YHVH, and that you become the broken and CONTRITE spirit which HE welcomes... :groupray: ...which has been crushed by the ROCK... of HIS WORD,

In the stead of your FIRM and ARROGANT stand upon the foolish SAND, of the TRADTION laden teachings of MEN = "Dallas the-ILLOGICAL cemetary"


...willieH :hug:
 
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