Let's Talk About Hell (4)

[Truth_Warrior]

But the body is killed at death. How can you disagree with that?

I'm having a very hard time following you here. Jesus went to Sheol, not Gehanna--the lake of fire. And where does the Bible say that those who are not born again have no spirit?

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Truth_Warrior]

Then I take it that you think the world is 6,000 years old?

(In other words, that God created a lie, a universe that very deceptively appears to be billions of years old when it is not.)

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was(The accurate translation should be became) without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Before it became without form and void I believe there was another earth that was billions of years old.

Yes the earth we know is about 6000 years old.

evolution is a load.

God made man just the way we are now.
God made everything we see today 6000 years ago.
I believe God in his foreknowledge did everything including fossil fuels before we got here.

 

[Truth_Warrior]

They are dragged out of the afterlife because the resurrection is physical. The Bible says that Jesus is the "firstfruit" of the resurrection, and his resurrection was physical. There is a judgement at death, thus the thief went to Paradise instead of Sheol. Then there is a judgement at the resurrection.

Paradise is not heaven.

Show me the scripture where we get 2 judgements,one at death and one at the resurrection.

Acts 2:29-32 and 34 (ESV)
(29) “Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
(30) Being therefore a prophet…
(31) he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of The Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
(32) This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.
(34) For David did not ascend into the heavens…
If David was in heaven, Peter should have said so. Instead, Peter said just the opposite, that David “…did not ascend into the heavens….” His point was not that Jesus was in heaven with a body and David was in heaven without one. His point was that David was dead and Jesus was not.

1 Corinthians 15:42, 51 and 52 (ESV)
(42) So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
(51) …We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

It is very important to note that every believer is “raised imperishable” at the same time: “the last trumpet.” We do not have an imperishable immortal soul that lives with Jesus after we die. We become “imperishable” only when we are raised from the dead.



1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 (ESV)
(13) But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope.
(14) For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
(15) For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
(16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
(17) Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.


If Paul wanted Christians not to grieve, and knew that when people died their soul or spirit went to be with God, he would have said so here in order to help comfort people. Instead he tells us that all the dead in Christ will rise at the Resurrection when the Lord comes, and comforts us by letting us know that even when a person dies, he will rise again.

The Judgment Follows the Resurrection

If people died and went to heaven or “hell,” it would mean that their judgment had already occurred, for no one could be allowed in heaven or sent to “hell,” (more properly, burned up in Gehenna) before they were judged. However, Scripture is clear that the Day of Judgment is still in the future.

Matthew 10:15 (ESV)
Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.

Jesus said that the Day of Judgment for Sodom and Gomorrah is still future, but those people died about 4,000 years ago.

It is obvious that after they died they were not judged, but still await the resurrection and Judgment along with everyone else who has died.

The verses on the coming Day of Judgment are too many to post in this thread right nowbecause I have to get ready to go to Talladega, but some clear ones that show that it is future include: Matthew 11:22 and 24, 12:36; 2 Pet. 2:9, 3:7; Jude 1:6.

 

[Timothew]

You apparently see eye to eye with Timothew from what I can gather.

That's good! You should also agree with me, since I got my POV from extensive bible study. Let's tally up.

God said Adam and Eve would die because of their sin.
Paul said that the wages of sin is death.
I believe people actually die when they die.
Truth Warrior believes people actually die when they die.
You believe that people don't really die, their spirit lives forever.
The serpent said to Eve, surely you will not die.

People who believe humans actually Die:
Timothew, TW, Paul, God.

People who believe humans don't actually die:
LutheranMafia, One snake

 

[createdtoworship]

But the body is killed at death. How can you disagree with that?

yes the body is killed, you are right.

I'm having a very hard time following you here. Jesus went to Sheol, not Gehanna--the lake of fire. And where does the Bible say that those who are not born again have no spirit?

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

meaning that when you are born again, it is the spirit that is born because a man cannot enter a second time into the womb.

 

[he-man]

yes the body is killed, you are right. John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. meaning that when you are born again, it is the spirit that is born because a man cannot enter a second time into the womb.

Yes, but there is a time to await the resurrection and Judgment!

12 if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe? 13 and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down--the Son of Man who is in the heaven. John 3:12-13 (YLT)

4 but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,—Thessalonians, Corinthians, Galatians, and Romans

Gal 4:4,5 They were no longer servants; and it was as unreasonable that they should conform again to the Mosaic rites and customs—Barnes' Notes on the New Testament

 

[createdtoworship]

Yes, but there is a time to await the resurrection and Judgment!

12 if the earthly things I said to you, and ye do not believe, how, if I shall say to you the heavenly things, will ye believe? 13 and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down--the Son of Man who is in the heaven. John 3:12-13 (YLT)

4 but when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,—Thessalonians, Corinthians, Galatians, and Romans

Gal 4:4,5 They were no longer servants; and it was as unreasonable that they should conform again to the Mosaic rites and customs—Barnes' Notes on the New Testament

not following you

 

[createdtoworship]

Sleep never refers to the soul or spirit. It only applies to the body.

Not buying that




I will deal with the verses you post later ,time for bed.

Bottom line is you believe a concept not present in scripture and when the truth is shown you use verses that are clearly misconstrued by many as proof of a doctrine taught by pagans.

This whole conversation is kinda silly especially when you totally ignore the truth and always side step by posting something else to side step and ignore answering the hard truth.

Kinda done with your games.

Kinda like talking with a Kindergartner in one of those 10 dimensions you talk about.

I have shown you the truth and others as well so you go to what scientists think.

Its all rather strange and no longer wish to debate science or Greek mythology.

You think stuff thats too crazy for me.

for me, a kindergartener believing in ten dimensions, you seem to be the one not responding to a plethora of verses against soul sleep. more on ten dimensions (http://www.khouse.org/6640/DVD84-1/)

Ecclesiastes 3:21

Who knows that the breath of man ascends upward and the breath of the beast descends downward to the earth?
New American Standard Bible : 1995 Update. LaHabra, CA : The Lockman Foundation, 1995, S. Ec 3:21


Ecclesiastes 12:7
then the adust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
New American Standard Bible : 1995 Update. LaHabra, CA : The Lockman Foundation, 1995, S. Ec 12:7


NASB separates spirit of man from Spirit of God because the Holy Spirit has not yet come.

7307. רוּחַ ruach (924c); from an unused word; breath, wind, spirit:— air(2), anger(1), blast(2), breath(31), breathless*(1), cool(1), courage(1), despondency*(1), exposed(1), grief*(1), heart(1), inspired(1), mind(3), motives(1), points(1), quick-tempered*(1), side(4), sides(2), Spirit(76), spirit(127), spirits(3), strength(1), temper(2), thoughts*(1), trustworthy*(1), wind(98), winds(7), windy(2), wrath(1).

Thomas, Robert L.: New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries : Updated Edition. Anaheim : Foundation Publications, Inc., 1998, 1981, S. H7307

 

[createdtoworship]

The idea that the soul or spirit is like a ghost that can separate from the body and still have consciousness and movement without the body was introduced into Judaism after the Babylonian captivity and came from there and other religions into Christianity. The idea of a disembodied living soul did not come from the text of Scripture

references for this accusation?


from Bible.org on soul sleep

A person who has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior goes immediately to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord. Though their body is in the grave and decomposes, their soul and spirit (the immaterial part, the real person) goes immediately into the presence of the Savior. At the rapture (the return of the Lord for the church) the dead in Christ return with Him and their bodies are raised so that their souls and spirits are joined with their resurrected, glorified bodies. At the same time, those who are alive when Christ returns are simply transformed into their glorified bodies like that of the Savior’s. There is no intermediate place or condition of soul sleep. Rather, believers are in heaven with the Lord and very much aware of His presence. Here are a few verses that illustrate this:

Phil. 1:21-23. “For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better;”

When Paul wrote this, he was imprisoned in his own apartment, chained daily to a Roman soldier while waiting for his trial with the very real the possibility he would be put to death. Though he was confident of deliverance from physical death at this time, he was also confident that to die meant to be with Christ which he declared to be far better, a statement which hardly fits with the concept of “soul sleep.”

2 Cor. 5:6-8. “Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight, 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.”

In this passage, the Apostle Paul specifically tells us that to absent from the body (a reference to physical death), not only meant to be in the presence of the Lord, but it was like going home. See also John 14:1f, and 12:26.

1 Thess. 4:13-18. 13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve, as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

The reference to “sleep” in this passage is a metaphor for death which compares one thing (physical death) to another (sleep). It is used of believers because for us, death is somewhat like sleep. The use of the word “sleep” for death is used only of believes in the New Testament. The aim of this metaphor is to suggest what death is like and means to the believer, but this must be understood in the light of all of Scripture:

(1) As the sleeper does not cease to exist while his body sleeps, so the dead person continues to exist. The grave is like a bed for the body.

(2) As the immaterial part of man when asleep is still functioning to some degree in that he dreams and his sub-conscious is still at work, so likewise the believer’s soul and spirit are awake and enjoying the presence of God.

(3) As sleep is temporary, so also is the death of the body. Sleep is a figure of speech for death and anticipates resurrection but it is not meant to suggest soul sleep. This is evident from the above verses, Phil. 1:23 and 2 Cor. 5:8.

The verb “to sleep,” koimao, is used of both natural sleep (Matt. 28:13; Luke 22:45; Acts 12:6), and of death, but only of the death of the Christian (here in vss. 13, 14, 15; Matt. 27:52; Jn. 11:11; 1 Co. 7:39; 11:30; 15:6, 18, 51; 2 Pe. 3:4). In 1 Thess. 5, the word used for sleep is a different Greek word and in the context refers, not to physical death, but to spiritual and moral complacency.

In our section under “Pastoral Helps” there is a funeral message entitled, “What Death Means to the Believer in Christ.” You might find that lesson helpful as well.

 

[WillieH]

(like willie who complains about the physics and metaphysics discussions)

Please! Your're positions are BASELESS and continually UNREASONABLE not to mention, laughable...

You cannot and SHALL NOT, ...PROVE the foolishness of your negative positions by noting "YOU-TUBE" or "wikipedia" links... Please, why not join REALITY, and thereby get real...

Nor shall you, ...by noting the UNPROVEN scientific THEORIES of science which, as you support them, ...busily MOCK you and your belief in GOD... with such foolery as METAPHYSICS and PHYSICS which are THEORETICAL, ...mostly based on the imaginary, such as Star Trek or Stargate which are filled with nothing but SPECULATIVE baloney which will NEVER be realized, ...such as "interdimensional traveling" ...and which ALL remain, and SHALL REMAIN -- UNPROVEN, as well as UNFACTUAL...

In truth, it is YOU which is truly the "complainer"... seen here, whining to others that which you FAIL to accomplish in discussion with me ...doing nothing but Cutting & pasting your religion on the internet, largely basing it on "wikipedia and/or YouTube", instead of actually having RESEARCHED the WORD, for YOURSELF...

Deaf of ear, Blind of eye, LOVE grown COLD -- James 3:6-10 -- in your (pathetic and UNLOVING) condemnation of others which GOD so UNCHANGINGLY LOVES -- John 3:16-17 --

Embracing an imaginary (computerized) religion which has been handed you, which is FULL of tainted NEGATIVITY, and CONDEMNATION -- James 3:6-10

Which is ...completely DISASSOCIATED with the PERFECT WORK of CHRIST, which YHVH (His Father and GOD) SENT Him (as prophesied) ...to accomplish -- Isaiah 55:11 -- 1 John 4:14 -- Luke 19:10 -- in the PERFECTand UNCHANGING INTENT of YHVH to SAVE all men...

Which NAMES any other report (such as yours) of a "FAILURE to accomplish" this, as INIQUITY ...and which shall bring you nothing but SHAME in your end -- Matt 7:22-23 --

All due to the failure of your heart to cultivate in LOVE, an actual relationship with YHVH, via your own dedications of your WHOLE HEART -- Jer 29:14 -- to the wonder of:

LOVE, GRACE, PEACE, MERCY and FORGIVENESS... which ARE the UNCHANGING elements and PURPOSE of YHVH God -----> 1 John 4:8 -- Psalm 136 entire chapter -- Matt 5:38-48 -- Rom 1:20 -- Eph 6:15 -- Rom 15:11


To be pitied... ...and then of course as the WORD would RIGHTLY have it -- Matt 5:38-44 -- ...forgiven... ...(but shall not be without COST to you -- 1 Cor 3:11:15)


Loveya gradyll... ...one day you WILL see...

Peace...


...willieH

 

[WillieH]

references for this accusation?


from Bible.org on soul sleep

A person who has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior goes immediately to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord. Though their body is in the grave and decomposes, their soul and spirit (the immaterial part, the real person) goes immediately into the presence of the Savior. At the rapture (the return of the Lord for the church) the dead in Christ return with Him and their bodies are raised so that their souls and spirits are joined with their resurrected, glorified bodies. At the same time, those who are alive when Christ returns are simply transformed into their glorified bodies like that of the Savior’s. There is no intermediate place or condition of soul sleep. Rather, believers are in heaven with the Lord and very much aware of His presence. Here are a few verses that illustrate this:

Phil. 1:21-23. “For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better;”

When Paul wrote this, he was imprisoned in his own apartment, chained daily to a Roman soldier while waiting for his trial with the very real the possibility he would be put to death. Though he was confident of deliverance from physical death at this time, he was also confident that to die meant to be with Christ which he declared to be far better, a statement which hardly fits with the concept of “soul sleep.”

2 Cor. 5:6-8. “Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight, 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.”

In this passage, the Apostle Paul specifically tells us that to absent from the body (a reference to physical death), not only meant to be in the presence of the Lord, but it was like going home. See also John 14:1f, and 12:26.

1 Thess. 4:13-18. 13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve, as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

The reference to “sleep” in this passage is a metaphor for death which compares one thing (physical death) to another (sleep). It is used of believers because for us, death is somewhat like sleep. The use of the word “sleep” for death is used only of believes in the New Testament. The aim of this metaphor is to suggest what death is like and means to the believer, but this must be understood in the light of all of Scripture:

(1) As the sleeper does not cease to exist while his body sleeps, so the dead person continues to exist. The grave is like a bed for the body.

(2) As the immaterial part of man when asleep is still functioning to some degree in that he dreams and his sub-conscious is still at work, so likewise the believer’s soul and spirit are awake and enjoying the presence of God.

(3) As sleep is temporary, so also is the death of the body. Sleep is a figure of speech for death and anticipates resurrection but it is not meant to suggest soul sleep. This is evident from the above verses, Phil. 1:23 and 2 Cor. 5:8.

The verb “to sleep,” koimao, is used of both natural sleep (Matt. 28:13; Luke 22:45; Acts 12:6), and of death, but only of the death of the Christian (here in vss. 13, 14, 15; Matt. 27:52; Jn. 11:11; 1 Co. 7:39; 11:30; 15:6, 18, 51; 2 Pe. 3:4). In 1 Thess. 5, the word used for sleep is a different Greek word and in the context refers, not to physical death, but to spiritual and moral complacency.

In our section under “Pastoral Helps” there is a funeral message entitled, “What Death Means to the Believer in Christ.” You might find that lesson helpful as well.

More of your "cut & paste" beliefs... ...may you awaken from the dust of the flesh...


Peace...


...willieH

 

[createdtoworship]

Please! Your're positions are BASELESS and continually UNREASONABLE not to mention, laughable...

You cannot and SHALL NOT, ...PROVE the foolishness of your negative positions by noting "YOU-TUBE" or "wikipedia" links... Please, why not join REALITY, and thereby get real...

Nor shall you, ...by noting the UNPROVEN scientific THEORIES of science which, as you support them, ...busily MOCK you and your belief in GOD... with such foolery as METAPHYSICS and PHYSICS which are THEORETICAL, ...mostly based on the imaginary, such as Star Trek or Stargate which are filled with nothing but SPECULATIVE baloney which will NEVER be realized, ...such as "interdimensional traveling" ...and which ALL remain, and SHALL REMAIN -- UNPROVEN, as well as UNFACTUAL...

In truth, it is YOU which is truly the "complainer"... seen here, whining to others that which you FAIL to accomplish in discussion with me ...doing nothing but Cutting & pasting your religion on the internet, largely basing it on "wikipedia and/or YouTube", instead of actually having RESEARCHED the WORD, for YOURSELF...

Deaf of ear, Blind of eye, LOVE grown COLD -- James 3:6-10 -- in your (pathetic and UNLOVING) condemnation of others which GOD so UNCHANGINGLY LOVES -- John 3:16-17 --

Embracing an imaginary (computerized) religion which has been handed you, which is FULL of tainted NEGATIVITY, and CONDEMNATION -- James 3:6-10

Which is ...completely DISASSOCIATED with the PERFECT WORK of CHRIST, which YHVH (His Father and GOD) SENT Him (as prophesied) ...to accomplish -- Isaiah 55:11 -- 1 John 4:14 -- Luke 19:10 -- in the PERFECTand UNCHANGING INTENT of YHVH to SAVE all men...

Which NAMES any other report (such as yours) of a "FAILURE to accomplish" this, as INIQUITY ...and which shall bring you nothing but SHAME in your end -- Matt 7:22-23 --

All due to the failure of your heart to cultivate in LOVE, an actual relationship with YHVH, via your own dedications of your WHOLE HEART -- Jer 29:14 -- to the wonder of:

LOVE, GRACE, PEACE, MERCY and FORGIVENESS... which ARE the UNCHANGING elements and PURPOSE of YHVH God -----> 1 John 4:8 -- Psalm 136 entire chapter -- Matt 5:38-48 -- Rom 1:20 -- Eph 6:15 -- Rom 15:11


To be pitied... ...and then of course as the WORD would RIGHTLY have it -- Matt 5:38-44 -- ...forgiven... ...(but shall not be without COST to you -- 1 Cor 3:11:15)


Loveya gradyll... ...one day you WILL see...

Peace...


...willieH

here is some more cut and paste


"The ancient Hebrew scholar Nachmonides, writing in the 12th century, concluded from his studies of the text of Genesis that the universe has ten dimensions: that four are knowable and six are beyond our knowing.

Particle physicists today have also concluded that we live in ten dimensions. Three spatial dimensions and time are directly discernible and measurable. The remaining six are "curled" in less than the Planck length (10-33 centimeters) and thus are only inferable by indirect means.3

(Some physicists believe that there may be as many as 26 dimensions.4 Ten and twenty-six emerge from the mathematics associated with superstring theory, a current candidate in the pursuit of a theory to totally integrate all known forces in the universe.) "

3 Michio Kaku, Hyperspace, Oxford University Press, New York, 1994.
4 Strangely, 26 is the gematria of the tetragamaton, YHWH.

above from koinonia house articles
Quantum Physics: The Boundaries of Reality - Chuck Missler - Koinonia House

 

[he-man]

not following you

God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,—the Law of sin and death.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

[createdtoworship]

More of your "cut & paste" beliefs... ...may you awaken from the dust of the flesh...


Peace...


...willieH

here is some more cut and paste about science

"If we take a segment of length, we can divide it in half. We can take one of the remaining halves, and we can divide it in half again. We naturally assume that this can go on forever. We assume that no matter how small a length we end up dealing with, we can always - at least conceptually - divide any remainder in half. It turns out that this is not true. There is a length known as the Planck length, 10-33 centimeters, that is indivisible.

The same thing is true of mass, energy, and even time. There is a unit of time which cannot be subdivided: 10-43 seconds. It is in this strange world of subatomic behavior that scientists have now encountered the very boundaries of physical reality, as we experience it. The study of these subatomic components is called quantum mechanics, or quantum physics.

The startling discovery made by the quantum physicists is that if you break matter into smaller and smaller pieces you eventually reach a point where those pieces - electrons, protons, et al. - no longer possess the traits of objects. Although they can sometimes behave as if they were a compact little particle, physicists have found that they literally possess no dimension."

Quantum Physics: The Boundaries of Reality - Chuck Missler - Koinonia House

 

[createdtoworship]

God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,—the Law of sin and death.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

?? Random

but here are some interesting observations

Three Things God Cant Do
He cannot lie.
He cannot learn.
He cannot force you to love Him.

Four Things God Doesnt Know
He doesn't know a sin He doesn't hate.
He doesn't know a sinner He doesn't love.
He doesn't know an alternate path to His Throne but through His son.
He doesn't know a better time to accept Him than now!

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2004/567/

 

[he-man]

?? Random

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

 

[LutheranMafia]

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

meaning that when you are born again, it is the spirit that is born because a man cannot enter a second time into the womb.

That means that they do not have the spirit of God, not that they have no spirit at all.

 

[WillieH]

here is some more cut and paste


"The ancient Hebrew scholar Nachmonides, writing in the 12th century, concluded from his studies of the text of Genesis that the universe has ten dimensions: that four are knowable and six are beyond our knowing.

Particle physicists today have also concluded that we live in ten dimensions. Three spatial dimensions and time are directly discernible and measurable. The remaining six are "curled" in less than the Planck length (10-33 centimeters) and thus are only inferable by indirect means.3

(Some physicists believe that there may be as many as 26 dimensions.4 Ten and twenty-six emerge from the mathematics associated with superstring theory, a current candidate in the pursuit of a theory to totally integrate all known forces in the universe.) "

3 Michio Kaku, Hyperspace, Oxford University Press, New York, 1994.
4 Strangely, 26 is the gematria of the tetragamaton, YHWH.

above from koinonia house articles
Quantum Physics: The Boundaries of Reality - Chuck Missler - Koinonia House

Thanks for admitting it...

I especially liked: "that four are knowable and six are beyond our knowing"

How can the "6 unknowable ones", actually be accepted as existent, since they are both (by YOU and your cut & paste source) admittedly, ...UNKNOWABLE...

What EVIDENCE is there of ANY of this? Hint: NONE!

Keep it up gradyll... you are only displaying that what I say of you and your "cut & paste beliefs", ...has just been validated by YOU... Confession is good for the soul.


PEACE...


...willieH

 

[peter222999]

If there is Light,there is darkness. If there is good there is evil.
If there is Heaven, I have to believe there is hell, for those who truly do evil with no regret, and for those who reject the Lord to the very end.
What hell is like, I pray I never know

 

[Timothew]

If there is Light,there is darkness. If there is good there is evil.
If there is Heaven, I have to believe there is hell, for those who truly do evil with no regret, and for those who reject the Lord to the very end.
What hell is like, I pray I never know

How about this? If there is heaven, there is earth.
If there is life there is death.
Those who do not receive eternal life, must die sometime. If they are dead, they are not alive in hell receiving eternal torment.