Let's Talk About Hell (3)

[createdtoworship]

You nor your letter tht killeth answered my question????

they are copies of the true, not spiritual Heb 9:24 is the key

 

[Ed Bana]

they are copies of the true, not spiritual Heb 9:24 is the key

Everything to do with the Tabernacle of David is spiritual. I mean the Ark of God is God's glory in the OT. Now thats spiritual


Hebrews 9:24

King James Version (KJV)


24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

they are copies of the true, not spiritual Heb 9:24 is the key

 

[createdtoworship]

Everything to do with the Tabernacle of David is spiritual. I mean the Ark of God is God's glory in the OT. Now thats spiritual


Hebrews 9:24

King James Version (KJV)


24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

you don't believe there was a real arc of the covenant?

 

[he-man]

Everything to do with the Tabernacle of David is spiritual. I mean the Ark of God is God's glory in the OT. Now thats spiritual Hebrews 9:24 King James Version (KJV)24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

He will establish his Temple here on earth!

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Psa 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Psa 52:5 God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.

7 Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.

 

[Ed Bana]

He will establish his Temple here on earth!

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Psa 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Psa 52:5 God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah.

7 Lo, this is the man that made not God his strength; but trusted in the abundance of his riches, and strengthened himself in his wickedness.

He already have. It is spiritual. It is with in us.

 

[Ed Bana]

you don't believe there was a real arc of the covenant?

Spiritual is not real?

God is a spirit.

Our new bodies will be spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Sure there was a physical ark but like all things spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

David had the ark of God at Zion it was not in the Tabernacle in the wilderness it was at Zion where King david lived. David a type of the natural realm of God's Kingdom on earth. That is why we see the word Zion in the Book of Revelation to connect the natural zion to the zion in the ages to come. God gives us physical examples, typologies to show us His hidden deep spiritual example.


Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

1 Corin 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come.

example NT:5178 a : Strong’s: tupikos (toop-ee-kos'); an adverb related to NT:5179; found only in 1 Cor 10:11: as a warning, by way of example, typologically (i.e. figuratively, as a prophetic type, a typological interpretation of Scripture)


What is the ark? It was the glory of God in the OT. Jesus is the ark. Lot of symbolism here. In stead of the Ark being in its proper place in the Holy of holies, surrounded by the Holy place and then the outer court it was at Mt. Zion.

It does not belong at Zion.

Every day David walked in the presence of that ark. No mention of Aaronic priest, or the high priest or all the furniture and animal sacrifices but God’s glory where David ruled and reigned.

It is the same as having the ark with in us. For this is where God’s true temple is.


　

 

[he-man]

Spiritual is not real?

1 Corinthians 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.


What is the ark? It was the glory of God in the OT. Jesus is the ark. Lot of symbolism here. In stead of the Ark being in its proper place in the Holy of holies, surrounded by the Holy place and then the outer court it was at Mt. Zion. It does not belong at Zion.

Wrong......

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, [on earth]and to an innumerable company of angels,

Mat 6:10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as in heaven.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, their God.

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

 

[Ed Bana]

Wrong......

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, [on earth]and to an innumerable company of angels,

Mat 6:10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as in heaven.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, their God.

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

And your point? All theses verses with no point do not mean anything.

The letter killeth and you never have a message.

 

[he-man]

And your point? All theses verses with no point do not mean anything.

The letter killeth and you never have a message.

You said:

Spiritual is not real?
What is the ark? It was the glory of God in the OT. Jesus is the ark. Lot of symbolism here. In stead of the Ark being in its proper place in the Holy of holies, surrounded by the Holy place and then the outer court it was at Mt. Zion. It does not belong at Zion.

And I replied, the Ark will be in Jerusalem but Jesus is NOT the Ark. The Ark is the Holy of Holies. So, do not touch it or you will die.
The Lord will laugh at those who think the Ark is Jesus. The ARK belongs in ZION.

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. (H639 wrath be destroyed, disinfested; subdued, overcome


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, [on earth]and to an innumerable company of angels,

Mat 6:10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as in heaven.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, their God.

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

 

[Ed Bana]

You said:
And I replied, the Ark will be in Jerusalem but Jesus is NOT the Ark. The Ark is the Holy of Holies. So, do not touch it or you will die.[/size][/font]
The Lord will laugh at those who think the Ark is Jesus. The ARK belongs in ZION.

Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. (H639 wrath be destroyed, disinfested; subdued, overcome


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, [on earth]and to an innumerable company of angels,

Mat 6:10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as in heaven.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, their God.

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.

11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Where is the Ark now?
Where is Zion now?
Where is Giod's glory now?

I am not going to respond to your verses. It is the Christ in you not the written word I am debating. If you cannot bring out the meaning of what God's Word is saying then all you have in a bunch of verses any lazy religious person can quote.

 

[he-man]

Where is the Ark now?
Where is Zion now?
Where is Giod's glory now?

I am not going to respond to your verses. It is the Christ in you not the written word I am debating.

It is not just the Christ in you, but you being in Christ.

Mar 9:41 "For who if a cup of water to you, waters, because you are in the name of Christ, Indeed I say to you, in no way will he lose his wage.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Act 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also vitalize your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

 

[Ed Bana]

It is not just the Christ in you, but you being in Christ.

Mar 9:41"For who if a cup of water to you, waters, because you are in the name of Christ, Indeed I say to you, in no way will he lose his wage.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Act 24:24 And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.

Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also vitalize your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Heman you are just quoting scripture. You are avoiding the real quetions? You have no life in God.

I have no idea what you want?

 

[Superfast]

my understanding is that when we die we either go to be with the lord or to hell. at final judgement day, all those not in christ will be cast into the lake of fire. I doubt that it is a literal lake of fire, but whatever it is it's going to be as ugly as a lake of fire is. What I know fer sure is I don't want to make it to the lake of fire.

 

[Ed Bana]

my understanding is that when we die we either go to be with the lord or to hell. at final judgement day, all those not in christ will be cast into the lake of fire. I doubt that it is a literal lake of fire, but whatever it is it's going to be as ugly as a lake of fire is. What I know fer sure is I don't want to make it to the lake of fire.

I see the lake of Fire as spiritual. God has no need for physical fire. Do we expect God to torture people on a stake as the Catholic Church did in the dark ages (pretty much that is what people believe seeing they insist the fire is physical. Hell is a religious lie pasted down by Rome and her baby sister.

 

[createdtoworship]

I see the lake of Fire as spiritual. God has no need for physical fire. Do we expect God to torture people on a stake as the Catholic Church did in the dark ages (pretty much that is what people believe seeing they insist the fire is physical. Hell is a religious lie pasted down by Rome and her baby sister.

God could have used many words to describe hell, but He chose fire for a reason. Probably because it will burn like fire. But it will be spiritual enough to torture unclean spirits as well.

 

[Ed Bana]

God could have used many words to describe hell, but He chose fire for a reason. Probably because it will burn like fire. But it will be spiritual enough to torture unclean spirits as well.

God uses fire because He is a consuming fire and His fire purifies and purges and does not annihilate. Fire, in the scriptures, symbolized two things - judgment and cleansing.

But God is not schizophrenic in His nature - one side of His character disposed to forgive, save, heal, redeem, deliver and restore, while another part of His nature is bent on vengeful destruction and the sadistic torture of His enemies.

His action in fire, as His action in grace, is pure, harmonious, and balanced, directed towards the purging that will lead to restoration.

His fire cleanses the believer that he may qualify for God's highest.
His action of fire towards the unbeliever is to the same end, conditioning and preparing that one for good results, when, having been broken and purged from pride and rebellion, he bows low before the Saviour, penitently receiving the gracious gift of life. The fire does not save him, but it removes the hindrance that separates him from the kind mercy of the Lord.

That the coming of the Lord as refining fire does not relate to His coming in the flesh two thousand years ago is clearly seen by the fact that there was no purifying of the priesthood then, and the term "the sons of Levi" cannot refer to the old Levitical priesthood but to the new order of the Melchizedekian priesthood, for the old Aaronic priesthood has passed away and the new order has come into being, the order of Melchizedek.

Jesus our Lord has nothing to do with the Levitical priesthood, for He was not of the tribe of Levi but of the tribe of Judah.

He couldn't be a priest after the old order because He was not of Levi nor of the descendents of Aaron. This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews chapter seven. Malachi used this word in reference to the priesthood because there was no other order in existence then, and as the old was a type of that which was to come, the reference must be to the new order of priesthood. Christ Jesus is the High Priest of the new order, the Melchizedekian priesthood, the priesthood that is being formed now, and THIS IS THE PRIESTHOOD THAT HE CLEANSES AND PURIFIES WHEN HE RETURNS TO HIS TEMPLE.

The apostle Peter expressed the truth of it this way: "Beloved, do not be amazed and bewildered by the fiery ordeal which is taking place to test your quality, as though something strange - unusual and alien to you and your position - were befalling you" (I Pet. 4:12, Amplified).

 

[createdtoworship]

God uses fire because He is a consuming fire and His fire purifies and purges and does not annihilate. Fire, in the scriptures, symbolized two things - judgment and cleansing.

But God is not schizophrenic in His nature - one side of His character disposed to forgive, save, heal, redeem, deliver and restore, while another part of His nature is bent on vengeful destruction and the sadistic torture of His enemies.

His action in fire, as His action in grace, is pure, harmonious, and balanced, directed towards the purging that will lead to restoration.

His fire cleanses the believer that he may qualify for God's highest.
His action of fire towards the unbeliever is to the same end, conditioning and preparing that one for good results, when, having been broken and purged from pride and rebellion, he bows low before the Saviour, penitently receiving the gracious gift of life. The fire does not save him, but it removes the hindrance that separates him from the kind mercy of the Lord.

That the coming of the Lord as refining fire does not relate to His coming in the flesh two thousand years ago is clearly seen by the fact that there was no purifying of the priesthood then, and the term "the sons of Levi" cannot refer to the old Levitical priesthood but to the new order of the Melchizedekian priesthood, for the old Aaronic priesthood has passed away and the new order has come into being, the order of Melchizedek.

Jesus our Lord has nothing to do with the Levitical priesthood, for He was not of the tribe of Levi but of the tribe of Judah.

He couldn't be a priest after the old order because He was not of Levi nor of the descendents of Aaron. This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews chapter seven. Malachi used this word in reference to the priesthood because there was no other order in existence then, and as the old was a type of that which was to come, the reference must be to the new order of priesthood. Christ Jesus is the High Priest of the new order, the Melchizedekian priesthood, the priesthood that is being formed now, and THIS IS THE PRIESTHOOD THAT HE CLEANSES AND PURIFIES WHEN HE RETURNS TO HIS TEMPLE.

The apostle Peter expressed the truth of it this way: "Beloved, do not be amazed and bewildered by the fiery ordeal which is taking place to test your quality, as though something strange - unusual and alien to you and your position - were befalling you" (I Pet. 4:12, Amplified).

fire means fire, not judgement and cleansing. This is where you stray off the path again ed. God could have used the words judgment or cleansing if He wanted to, but HE didn't like those words to describe HEll, he used fire. REAL fire.

 

[Ed Bana]

fire means fire, not judgement and cleansing. This is where you stray off the path again ed. God could have used the words judgment or cleansing if He wanted to, but HE didn't like those words to describe HEll, he used fire. REAL fire.

It is not a manner of if you go thought the fire, but when. It is interesting to note that the Greek word for fire is PUR, a derivative of which is the Latin word PYRA (pure) and the English word PYRE - the place for the burning of a corpse. PYREX also comes from the same root, PYR or PUR, meaning a fire, and REX, meaning a king - that which is king, thus ruling over the fire, hence a "heatresistant" glassware. All our English words having to do with that which is pure are related to the Greek word PUR, indicating clearly that that which is pure is so because it has been cleansed BY FIRE! Consider: PURE, PURity, PURify, PURification, PURitan and yes the catholic word PURgatory.

“Because thou sayest, I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich” (Rev. 3:17-18).
　　　　　　　　　　　
“Buy of me gold” means to pay the price for the divine nature of our Father to be brought forth in our lives! 　 “Tried in the fire” means that His nature has become an experiential reality within us.　 It speaks of an intimate, direct encounter with God that causes all that is contrary to His nature to be consumed by the all-consuming fire of His Spirit, resulting in our spiritual growth and maturity in Christ.　 Our Lord has called upon His elect to buy of Him this gold tried in the fire, that we may be rich! 　

Now we know what the true riches are!　 The riches of which He speaks are not the riches of the world, either of money, material things, or of stature, position, fame, or self-glory.　 The riches of this world corrupt the spiritual man and prevent a manifestation of the true Life of God.　 The gold that we are to buy of Him represents a life that has been tried and tested, even as gold is refined, to bring forth the qualities of the Christ life within all who are His called and chosen ones.

Hell is a lie,

 

[createdtoworship]

It is not a manner of if you go thought the fire, but when. It is interesting to note that the Greek word for fire is PUR, a derivative of which is the Latin word PYRA (pure) and the English word PYRE - the place for the burning of a corpse. PYREX also comes from the same root, PYR or PUR, meaning a fire, and REX, meaning a king - that which is king, thus ruling over the fire, hence a "heatresistant" glassware. All our English words having to do with that which is pure are related to the Greek word PUR, indicating clearly that that which is pure is so because it has been cleansed BY FIRE! Consider: PURE, PURity, PURify, PURification, PURitan and yes the catholic word PURgatory.

“Because thou sayest, I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich” (Rev. 3:17-18).
　　　　　　　　　　　
“Buy of me gold” means to pay the price for the divine nature of our Father to be brought forth in our lives! 　 “Tried in the fire” means that His nature has become an experiential reality within us.　 It speaks of an intimate, direct encounter with God that causes all that is contrary to His nature to be consumed by the all-consuming fire of His Spirit, resulting in our spiritual growth and maturity in Christ.　 Our Lord has called upon His elect to buy of Him this gold tried in the fire, that we may be rich! 　

Now we know what the true riches are!　 The riches of which He speaks are not the riches of the world, either of money, material things, or of stature, position, fame, or self-glory.　 The riches of this world corrupt the spiritual man and prevent a manifestation of the true Life of God.　 The gold that we are to buy of Him represents a life that has been tried and tested, even as gold is refined, to bring forth the qualities of the Christ life within all who are His called and chosen ones.

Hell is a lie,

Hell is not a lie, just because fire is pure doesn't mean that hell doesn't have fire. Here is where you always get on tangents relating to greek. A little knowledge of greek is a dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong person.

 

[Ed Bana]

fire means fire, not judgement and cleansing. This is where you stray off the path again ed. God could have used the words judgment or cleansing if He wanted to, but HE didn't like those words to describe HEll, he used fire. REAL fire.

gradyll You are wrong. God always hides his deepness from the caranl religious mind.

Spiritual FIRE is real fire. Natural fire is waht the natural man sees an understand.

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.