Let's Discuss Creationism

[Gene2memE]

Aren't the ten commandments the main moral laws to follow?

Nope.

As moral laws, most of them are rubbish.

I am the LORD thy God - Not a moral law 0/1
Thou shalt have no other gods - Not a moral law 0/2
No graven images or likenesses - Not a moral law 0/3
Not take the LORD's name in vain - Not a moral law 0/4
Remember the sabbath day - Not a moral law 0/5
Honour thy father and thy mother - Finally. Something useful. But, it mostly depends if they honour me as well. Morality between people is a two way street. .5/6
Thou shalt not kill - I can get behind this, although there are circumstances where its not applicable (self defence, war) 1.5/7
Thou shalt not commit adultery - I'm fine with this. You make a commitment to faithfulness, you should follow through 2.5/8
Thou shalt not steal - Ok by me. I don't want my stuff stolen. 3.5/9
Thou shalt not bear false witness - Fine. Lying is generally bad, although again, there are exceptions. If I had to tell a lie to save a life, you better believe that I would. 4.5/10
Thou shalt not covet - Nothing wrong with covetousness. Its aspirational. It makes us want things and work hard to get them. 4.5/11

Not even a passing grade.

 

[EternalDragon]

Nope.

As moral laws, most of them are rubbish.

I am the LORD thy God - Not a moral law 0/1
Thou shalt have no other gods - Not a moral law 0/2
No graven images or likenesses - Not a moral law 0/3
Not take the LORD's name in vain - Not a moral law 0/4
Remember the sabbath day - Not a moral law 0/5
Honour thy father and thy mother - Finally. Something useful. But, it mostly depends if they honour me as well. Morality between people is a two way street. .5/6
Thou shalt not kill - I can get behind this, although there are circumstances where its not applicable (self defence, war) 1.5/7
Thou shalt not commit adultery - I'm fine with this. You make a commitment to faithfulness, you should follow through 2.5/8
Thou shalt not steal - Ok by me. I don't want my stuff stolen. 3.5/9
Thou shalt not bear false witness - Fine. Lying is generally bad, although again, there are exceptions. If I had to tell a lie to save a life, you better believe that I would. 4.5/10
Thou shalt not covet - Nothing wrong with covetousness. Its aspirational. It makes us want things and work hard to get them. 4.5/11

Not even a passing grade.

The laws in Judiasm, of which the accusers were using to accuse the woman of adultery. Your personal opinion of them has no bearing on what Jesus may have written with his finger. Please follow along.

 

[Kylie]

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And just six days later:

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Six days? You must read slow...

 

[TLK Valentine]

The laws in Judiasm, of which the accusers were using to accuse the woman of adultery. Your personal opinion of them has no bearing on what Jesus may have written with his finger. Please follow along.

Is it your opinion that Jesus wrote the 10 commandments in the dirt?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is it your opinion that Jesus wrote the 10 commandments in the dirt?

Yes.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Is it your opinion that Jesus wrote the 10 commandments in the dirt?

I'd be shocked if he was truly literate. However, I'll give him the benefit of it being plausible.

 

[freezerman2000]

To bad they didn't have Facebook,twitter or the Paparazzi back then..there would have been a record of what He scrawled in the dirt..however,they didn't..all folks can do is speculate..and speculation is not proof of what He "wrote".

 

[DerelictJunction]

The laws in Judiasm, of which the accusers were using to accuse the woman of adultery. Your personal opinion of them has no bearing on what Jesus may have written with his finger. Please follow along.

I still don't get it. The 10 commandments clearly prohibit adultery. If He wrote them...so what?

If Jesus wrote "Thou shalt not kill" it has no bearing on this because the death penalty was required in the same way it was required for the man who built a fire on the Sabbath.
Otherwise you have a contradiction between the law and the written penalty for violating that law.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Jesus wrote "Thou shalt not kill" it has no bearing on this because the death penalty was required in the same way it was required for the man who built a fire on the Sabbath.
Otherwise you have a contradiction between the law and the written penalty for violating that law.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Interpreted as:

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

QV also:

Ecclesiastes 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

 

[DerelictJunction]

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Interpreted as:

Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

QV also:

Ecclesiastes 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

Killing a person as a required punishment for a crime is not murder. The time to kill was then because she had violated a commandment that required capital punishment.

I still don't understand why you think Jesus wrote the 10 commandments in the dirt or why that would have influenced the others to drop their stones and walk away.

 

[AV1611VET]

I still don't understand why you think Jesus wrote the 10 commandments in the dirt or why that would have influenced the others to drop their stones and walk away.

Joe, Tom, Bob and Fred all work at Circuits World Electronics.

Joe shoplifts a calculator.

Tom shoplifts a Zebra F-301 set of ink pens.

Bob shoplifts a 16-pack of AAA batteries.

Fred attempts to shoplift an Android and gets caught.

Joe, Tom, and Bob call for Fred's termination.

Mr. Circuits, the proprietor, goes to a chalkboard and writes:

Calculator -- Zebra F-301 -- AAA batteries
​

Would you persist in Fred's termination?

 

[DerelictJunction]

Joe, Tom, Bob and Fred all work at Circuits World Electronics.

Joe shoplifts a calculator.

Tom shoplifts a Zebra F-301 set of ink pens.

Bob shoplifts a 16-pack of AAA batteries.

Fred attempts to shoplift an Android and gets caught.

Joe, Tom, and Bob call for Fred's termination.

Mr. Circuits, the proprietor, goes to a chalkboard and writes:

Calculator -- Zebra F-301 -- AAA batteries
​

Would you persist in Fred's termination?

So Christians shouldn't punish any violation of God's commandments?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So Christians shouldn't punish any violation of God's commandments?

How else can they justify ignoring them?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Most "sins" that people commit are so general as to not be descriptive of those people. Unless they had done truly deviant bad things, there wouldn't be anything impressive for Jesus to write about them.

The name of their partner and the date of their liaison would certainly give a potential stoner . . . something to think about.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The name of their partner and the date of their liaison would certainly give a potential stoner . . . something to think about.

Probably to kill Jesus faster, least he reveal your crimes. Honestly.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

So Christians shouldn't punish any violation of God's commandments?

Beware of simulating density to make your points, people might think you really are that dense.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Probably to kill Jesus faster, least he reveal your crimes. Honestly.

Well, Jesus was planning to arrange for His own crucifiction at their hands all along.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, Jesus was planning to arrange for His own crucifiction at their hands all along.

Supposedly

 

[DerelictJunction]

Joe, Tom, Bob and Fred all work at Circuits World Electronics.

Joe shoplifts a calculator.

Tom shoplifts a Zebra F-301 set of ink pens.

Bob shoplifts a 16-pack of AAA batteries.

Fred attempts to shoplift an Android and gets caught.

Joe, Tom, and Bob call for Fred's termination.

Mr. Circuits, the proprietor, goes to a chalkboard and writes:

Calculator -- Zebra F-301 -- AAA batteries
​

Would you persist in Fred's termination?

So you have no clue as to what Jesus wrote or drew in the dirt.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The name of their partner and the date of their liaison would certainly give a potential stoner . . . something to think about.

Assuming, of course, the stoner is, indeed, an adulterer.

And if he is, why all the secrecy? The Bible has never been squeamish about sexual misadventures...