Let's Discuss Creationism

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Assuming, of course, the stoner is, indeed, an adulterer.

And if he is, why all the secrecy? The Bible has never been squeamish about sexual misadventures...

Its speculation, of course, nobody knows what Jesus wrote, and apparently He didn't want it to be preserved.

But the Bible writers like every writer have to leave some things out, and their choices are their choices.

Maybe they respected the wishes of Jesus, implied by the temporary nature of the medium in which He wrote.

Are folks around here aware of the manuscript evidence against this passage being original to John's gospel?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Its speculation, of course, nobody knows what Jesus wrote, and apparently He didn't want it to be preserved.

You mean John didn't want it to be preserved -- big difference.

Assuming, of course, he was writing anything meaningful at all -- for all we know, he might have just been playing tic-tac-toe.

But the Bible writers like every writer have to leave some things out, and their choices are their choices.

Their choices are also very interesting -- gives us a lot of insight into their character and motivations.

Maybe they respected the wishes of Jesus, implied by the temporary nature of the medium in which He wrote.

or maybe they just didn't know -- you're jumping to a lot of conclusions here.

Speech is far more temporary -- and yet we get a lot of conversations written down.

Are folks around here aware of the manuscript evidence against this passage being original to John's gospel?

No, but I'd be interested in hearing it.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you have no clue as to what Jesus wrote or drew in the dirt.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

 

[EternalDragon]

I'd be shocked if he was truly literate. However, I'll give him the benefit of it being plausible.

Are you talking about Jesus? He probably knew a few different
languages, taught from the scriptures and when he was a young
child he was found sitting with other learned men and they were
astonished at what he knew even then.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Are you talking about Jesus? He probably knew a few different
languages, taught from the scriptures and when he was a young
child he was found sitting with other learned men and they were
astonished at what he knew even then.

And Davy Crocket kilt him a bear when he was only 3...

 

[EternalDragon]

And Davy Crocket kilt him a bear when he was only 3...

You are basing that on a rather recent Disney theme song for
a Davy Crockett series. "Ballad of Davy Crockett." Not actual
history.

The last name has two "t's" by the way

 

[TLK Valentine]

You are basing that on a rather recent Disney theme song for
a Davy Crockett series. "Ballad of Davy Crockett." Not actual
history.

Oral tradition previewing the great deeds of a great man in his youth -- there's a lot more in common than you would like to admit.

Few people can accept the notion that great people often have ordinary childhoods -- after the fact, tales of their greatness invariably start popping up about their youth... or even the circumstances of their birth.

The last name has two "t's" by the way

Whoops.

 

[DerelictJunction]

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

John 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

???I don't see how this supports your point.

Your conjecture is tantamount to saying that every time Jesus wrote with His finger, He was writing the 10 commandments.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Are you talking about Jesus? He probably knew a few different
languages, taught from the scriptures and when he was a young
child he was found sitting with other learned men and they were
astonished at what he knew even then.

His parents (human guardians, in any case) likely weren't literate in any language. And thanks to having to move around a lot and being far from coming from money, chances are no one taught him to read or write.

 

[EternalDragon]

His parents (human guardians, in any case) likely weren't literate in any language. And thanks to having to move around a lot and being far from coming from money, chances are no one taught him to read or write.

You are making a wild guess without even being knowledgeable about Jewish life back then.

Traveling would have been no problem as Jesus' father was a carpenter. That also means middle class so could afford eduction costs. Also kids were taught in synagogues so it would be like homeschooling if they traveled.

And yes, all Jews had to know 2-3 languages.

Young Jewish boys started formal education at the age of 5, learning to read and write. At age 10, boys would start to learn the Jewish law. Formal education was complete by age 18. Young girls would learn at home from their mothers and other women. Young men were educated by a Rabbi (teacher) from the local synagogue.

Life of Jesus - First Century Context of Palestine (Israel)