Legislating morality

[KCDAD]

None of them are illegal in the US, either.

Yes they are... being illegal doesn't mean criminal...

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Yes they are... being illegal doesn't mean criminal...

No, they're not. If you're going to just keep saying 'yes they are', let me know so I can drop out of a pointless argument. On the other hand, if you're actually going to post something to support your claim, I'm very interested.

 

[Leanna]

Have you talked to every porn star in the world? How do you know the hard luck cases are the norm, and not the exception? The ones that think they were "wronged" want to proclaim it to the world. The ones who are happy just quietly rake in the cash.

How many porn stars have you actually met? I have met two: Ginger Lynn and Christy Canyon, both legends from the mid eighties. They didn't seem particularly miserable to me, and were actually rather friendly and entertaining. I didn't see any henchmen of the porn producers lurking behind them with baseball bats.

I never said that they claimed to be forced into porn or that people were standing over them with bats. I said it causes them damage their emotions, their *real* love lives, their future-- and that I will guarantee 100%.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

I never said that they claimed to be forced into porn or that people were standing over them with bats. I said it causes them damage their emotions, their *real* love lives, their future-- and that I will guarantee 100%.

But you you can't make that guarantee. Have you met any porn stars? I doubt it. You have no idea what state their emotions, love lives or future are in. All you are doing is imagining what that lifestyle would do to YOU - and that is not valid to apply to others.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

But you you can't make that guarantee. Have you met any porn stars? I doubt it. You have no idea what state their emotions, love lives or future are in. All you are doing is imagining what that lifestyle would do to YOU - and that is not valid to apply to others.

Absolutely. Every word that christians say along these lines convinces me that they have absolutely no idea how people live outside of their cocoon. They simply cannot conceive of other lifestyles or viewpoints.

If people wanted to get out of porn or prostitution (again, this means more than just steetwalkers) for the reasons Leanna stated, they would. It's really their choice. She admitted no one was being forced.

 

[New Creation]

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I've said this in other threads, but for every Linda Lovelace or Traci Lords who says they were forced into porn, there is a Ginger Lynn or Nina Hartley or Jewel D'Nyle who proclaims that they absolutely love being a porn star.

Linda got born again after her porn career was over so my personal opinion is that she made up the "somebody made me" gag to shift the blame so her new church buddies wouldn't look down on her.

I'm not sure I believe Traci either. She went to extraordinary lengths to get into porn, causing a scandal when she lied about her age and was in some porn films at age 16. The porn producers wouldn't have hired her if they had known. If she was being "forced", all she had to do was tell the truth and she wouldn't have been in porn to get all this so-called abuse.

Have you talked to every porn star in the world? How do you know the hard luck cases are the norm, and not the exception? The ones that think they were "wronged" want to proclaim it to the world. The ones who are happy just quietly rake in the cash.

How many porn stars have you actually met? I have met two: Ginger Lynn and Christy Canyon, both legends from the mid eighties. They didn't seem particularly miserable to me, and were actually rather friendly and entertaining. I didn't see any henchmen of the porn producers lurking behind them with baseball bats.

Same with the prostitutes. Sure, low-rent streetwalkers have all kinds of problems, due to the people they hang around with, but they are not the entirety of prostitution. Call girls are a whole nother level. They typically don't have pimps, which is where most of the streetwalker problems come from. The high-octane call girls get several thousand dollars a night and live a lot better than we do.

Hey there folks. I actually have something of an informed opinion about this as I knew and worked with quite a few porn stars, not to mention thousands of strippers and hundreds of hookers. I was in the industry for over a decade on many different levels from table dancer to featured entertainer to political advocate for sex-workers.
And even though I feel that I know what I'm talking about, I know it will be impossible to convince those who don't want to think otherwise. However, I'll give you what I can on this subject. By the way, I haven't read the entire thread- I just picked it up around page 13 so forgive me if I repeat any stuff already said.

The sex industry is much more complicated than you might think. A lot is involved emotionally. In the over 13 years that I was a participant, most women I knew would have rather been somewhere else for work but FELT trapped by circumstances which varied as much as the women did. Note I did not say that they WERE trapped but felt trapped.
Being in the sex industry for any length of time plays with your head. First of all, you can become too accustomed to making a certain amount of money, of which ironically, much goes to your own upkeep.
Many women in the sex industry (not all, but a majority) do not have much education and lack the confidence to get into the "real world".
Almost always there is a fallout with family which is usually very detrimental. This makes one's support network even smaller. Usually one's support network shrinks to include mostly members of the sex industry so one's circle of social networks diminishes. The less contact a sex worker has with the real world, the less confidence one may have. The less "ins" with the world she has. The more the focus becomes the industry.
In addition, the longer one is in the business, the harder it becomes to explain gaping holes in one's resume. One basically has to own up to the past which doesn't sit well with most potential employers or one must find other people to corroborate a past of lies.
Fear of judgement is also a factor.
Many women also acquire criminal records which make other employment more difficult.

When one is in the throes of a career in the sex industry, one is very aware of society's opinion of it, therefore there must be a constant effort put into one's self-defense which usually includes a false sense of security and a pretense of being satisfied with one's station in life. After all, if you don't defend what you're doing, you look like an idiot- why would you be doing it? That's why you see and hear women talking about how much they love their job. It's really rather simple and it's all about saving face.

One has to pretend that things are going great in order to live with one's self. I am not saying that there is no pleasure whatsoever in the sex industry, I am saying that what little there is is exaggerated upon greatly and this is also where you'll see the denial happening.

The fact is that most of these women didn't dream about being porn stars or giving *jobs to strangers when they were little girls. Being in the sex industry is a disappointment to one's self, and to one's family. That disappointment usually overwhelms and so many in the industry numb this the only way they know how- with alcohol and drugs.
I've known so many of those women and SO FEW- in fact, I can't name a single one- come out of it healthy and happy. I can't tell you the damage it does to people's psyche. Sure it looks like they're having fun when they're talking to you. That's their job! The best actresses aren't in Hollywood, they're in strip clubs, posh hotels and cheap motels pretending they're having the time of their lives.
But when they go home - and I've seen this part time and time again- the pain is expressed. It's heartbreaking, it really is- to see the raw pain of this life. You should hear the way these ladies talk about men. Believe me, they're not glowing reports. Many of them hate men because they have a totally one-sided view of how men are. You can't tell me that this is not damaging.
I can't begin to tell you how much unhappiness is in this business. Girls can get sucked into it because at first it can make one feel special and many many women have never experienced that. So when it does happen, even in a way that isn't honouring to dignity, it doesn't matter to them.
And no matter what your view on sex, thinking that doing ten people a night for cash can't hurt the psyche (not to mention the body!!!!!) seems willfully blind. You obviously have no idea the things that these women have to hear and endure from their clients. Oh yeah, they can just walk away, I forgot. It is just NOT that simple. There is deep psychological damage here that has to be addressed. Not to mention the isolation of the worker once they are in that world. People don't realize what is going to happen once they get there! Folks don't tell them the truth! Misery LOVES company! Like I said earlier- people usually don't tell newbies what the biz is really like because they would have to face up to it themselves. And to do so could be to see oneself as a failure which is always hard for human beings to do.

I know it can and likely will be argued that this is not representative of every sex worker on the planet which is obviously a given, but really, I've seen enough to know what the norm is. I've participated with university studies on this, I've talked to thousands of women. Porn is damaging to those in the industry and I've only talked about the mental and psychological damage. There is physical and spiritual damage too. And I haven't even touched on what it does to the loved ones of those in the industry. Think it's nice for little Charlie to go to school and hear about how his mom has sex with strangers to buy his lunch? It happens folks. It really does. I've seen it. It's enough to wreck your gut.

And I'll even agree that in North America the truth is that most women are NOT phsically forced into the porn industry. So tell me why does that make it not damaging? I've seen girls as young as 15 start in the business. Their eagerness to do well and get started doesn't prove anything except their naivete.

This statement
" Same with the prostitutes. Sure, low-rent streetwalkers have all kinds of problems, due to the people they hang around with, but they are not the entirety of prostitution. Call girls are a whole nother level. They typically don't have pimps, which is where most of the streetwalker problems come from. The high-octane call girls get several thousand dollars a night and live a lot better than we do."
simply displays ignorance of this world, which is typical because it's not a world that most of the public knows very well. Having a pimp isn't where most of the streetwalker problems come from. Selling your ahem is selling your ahem and it's not something that most women feel proud of no matter how much money they're making or whether it's being filmed or not. The high octane call girls might make a lot more money than we do but I can tell ya, most of them don't sleep very well without some kind of aid. There is too much denial and torture going on for there to be much pride and happiness over making a lot of dough.
I really could go on for hours but like I said, I doubt I'll convice anyone. I just had to get a few cents worth of truth in here.

G'night folks.

 

[KCDAD]

No, they're not. If you're going to just keep saying 'yes they are', let me know so I can drop out of a pointless argument. On the other hand, if you're actually going to post something to support your claim, I'm very interested.

- cheating on a partner
- religious prosletyzing (particularly to children)
- creationism (although this falls into the one above)
- astrologers, soothsayers, 'psychics', etc.,
- hunting for sport
- racism/sexism/homophobia
~~~~~> from post 119
If society has SANCTIONS OR FINES OR TAXES, it is to discourage the behavior. It is illegal in the sense that one can not freely behave this way without sanctions...
... courts will rule in favor of the "wronged" spouse in any divorce, custody or supporrt issue based on adultery.
...courts will rule in favor of parents and children to issue cease and desist, or protection orders against those who proseltyze children with out the parents permission
... look at Kansas
... there are limits to the amount of bilking and fraud these quacks can get away with under the guise of entertainment. Courts have awarded damages when it can be proved that the "entertainer" intentionally ripped off the rube. (this is not mention the negative stygma society places on these con men)
...you must be licensed, pay a fee, a tax... and if you don't or if you go over your limit, (they make you shoot one of your hunting buddies...) you can be jailed. The sport hunting industry is supposed to be a closed box of supply and demand.
...look at civil rights legislation, 14th amendment, it is illegal to unfairly discriminate against anyone. Fines, jail... wrist slapping... there are all kinds of punishments issued for this.

 

[BlondieLashes]

I haven't read through this entire thread, but I have read enough to give my opinion.

Faster_Jackrabbit- your comments in particular have caught my attention. You have indicated that you have met porn stars and that they didn't seem miserable - that they seemed pleasant and entertaining (or something like that) and you seem to be using that to say that porn is not damaging to the people involved in it's making.

First of all, I want to point out that there is a huge difference between meeting someone (acquaintance) and knowing someone on a personal level. I am sure you are aware of that. It would be weird for someone to share every personal emotion with someone that is an acquaintance. What I am getting at is that I doubt that you know the personal feelings and emotions of these women you mentioned.

Second, as a former sex industry worker myself (I was a porn model, stripper and an escort) I must tell you that the majority of my life (even after leaving the industry) has been ruled by keeping up the fascade of looking happy no matter what. It's a defense mechanism. Many of us that have been valued for our looks and willingness to put up with just about anything come by faking happiness naturally. It's what we do!

Now on another note, I have known and still know (notice the difference- not just an acquaintance) many women who have worked or are working in the sex industry. I also know many men who have worked in the industry- I married one of them. Knowing myself and these other people I have come to realize that there is a huge amount of pain (emotional, physical, spiritual, etc.) that is brought on by working in the industry. I have lost several friends (who worked in the industry) to premature death because of suicide, homicide and overdose. Then there are many others I know that are still alive but dead emotionally and spiritually as a result of their involvement in the industry.

If you know someone who has worked in the industry and is truly happy with their lives, bring them in on the discussion- I would love to talk to them!

 

[BlondieLashes]

But you you can't make that guarantee. Have you met any porn stars? I doubt it. You have no idea what state their emotions, love lives or future are in. All you are doing is imagining what that lifestyle would do to YOU - and that is not valid to apply to others.

Hey there Elecric ! How is it that we are crossing paths again on the same darn subject?!? LOL! Small world, eh?

Please see my reply above to faster_jackrabbit....

I don't know if Leanna knows any porn stars, but I do!

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Hey there folks. I actually have something of an informed opinion about this as I knew and worked with quite a few porn stars, not to mention thousands of strippers and hundreds of hookers.

Think about your usage of the term "hooker". You use a derogatory term to describe prostitutes, as does most of society, and then wonder why they have no self respect.

I was in the industry for over a decade on many different levels from table dancer to featured entertainer to political advocate for sex-workers.
And even though I feel that I know what I'm talking about, I know it will be impossible to convince those who don't want to think otherwise. However, I'll give you what I can on this subject.

I will concede that you know more sex workers than I do. You concede later in your post that you don't know all of them. There are many thousands of them.

The sex industry is much more complicated than you might think. A lot is involved emotionally. In the over 13 years that I was a participant, most women I knew would have rather been somewhere else for work but FELT trapped by circumstances which varied as much as the women did. Note I did not say that they WERE trapped but felt trapped.
Being in the sex industry for any length of time plays with your head.

Don't many people working at walmart feel trapped? That's where many of these girls would be without the sex industry. If you have no education or marketable skills you are trapped in any case.

First of all, you can become too accustomed to making a certain amount of money, of which ironically, much goes to your own upkeep.

I assume you mean drugs. Are sex workers the only people on drugs? Would they need drugs if society treated them better?

Many women in the sex industry (not all, but a majority) do not have much education and lack the confidence to get into the "real world".

Yes, I know this. Those I have met obviously have little education and come from the lower strata of society. If not for their looks and body they would be working at walmart.

The sex industry gives them more income than they would have had otherwise. The behavior of society in condemning them is the drawback to the job.

Almost always there is a fallout with family which is usually very detrimental.

I have no doubt. Why do they do that to her? Why do they have the attitude that what she is doing is wrong? Because the bible says so?

This makes one's support network even smaller. Usually one's support network shrinks to include mostly members of the sex industry so one's circle of social networks diminishes. The less contact a sex worker has with the real world, the less confidence one may have. The less "ins" with the world she has. The more the focus becomes the industry.

How much of this is caused by rejection on the part of the "decent" people in society?

In addition, the longer one is in the business, the harder it becomes to explain gaping holes in one's resume. One basically has to own up to the past which doesn't sit well with most potential employers or one must find other people to corroborate a past of lies.
Fear of judgement is also a factor.

Isn't this the fault of the people who judge her? If they didn't, she would not have any of this stress.

I have yet to see a problem that is related to the sex industry itself. Instead the problems are caused by the opinions of other people about her being in it.

Many women also acquire criminal records which make other employment more difficult.

This is not the fault of the sex industry. Unless you are talking about prostitution, which should not be illegal in the first place.

When one is in the throes of a career in the sex industry, one is very aware of society's opinion of it, therefore there must be a constant effort put into one's self-defense which usually includes a false sense of security and a pretense of being satisfied with one's station in life.

Absolutely. This is my whole point. Why does it have to be this way? Why does society have an opinion like this? Because people think an ancient book tells them that what she is doing is bad? What real reason do they have?

After all, if you don't defend what you're doing, you look like an idiot- why would you be doing it? That's why you see and hear women talking about how much they love their job. It's really rather simple and it's all about saving face.

Why would this be necessary if other people didn't look down on her?

One has to pretend that things are going great in order to live with one's self. I am not saying that there is no pleasure whatsoever in the sex industry, I am saying that what little there is is exaggerated upon greatly and this is also where you'll see the denial happening.

The fact is that most of these women didn't dream about being porn stars or giving *jobs to strangers when they were little girls. Being in the sex industry is a disappointment to one's self, and to one's family. That disappointment usually overwhelms and so many in the industry numb this the only way they know how- with alcohol and drugs.

Would they have these problems if society didn't treat them the way it does?

Why is being in the porn industry a disappointment? If biblical morality didn't proclaim there was something wrong with it, there would be no reason for it to be a disappointment.

I've known so many of those women and SO FEW- in fact, I can't name a single one- come out of it healthy and happy. I can't tell you the damage it does to people's psyche. Sure it looks like they're having fun when they're talking to you. That's their job! The best actresses aren't in Hollywood, they're in strip clubs, posh hotels and cheap motels pretending they're having the time of their lives.
But when they go home - and I've seen this part time and time again- the pain is expressed. It's heartbreaking, it really is- to see the raw pain of this life. You should hear the way these ladies talk about men. Believe me, they're not glowing reports. Many of them hate men because they have a totally one-sided view of how men are. You can't tell me that this is not damaging.

How much of this is caused by the way men treat sex workers? Society looks down on them, therefore men who go into strip clubs, etc., look down on them and do not treat them with respect. "It's just a stripper/hooker/whatever. What difference does it make how she feels?"

Why does it have to be that way?

If men who patronize the sex industry treated the women with more respect, because society gave them respect, would they still have a reason to hate men? Or at least less of one?

I can't begin to tell you how much unhappiness is in this business. Girls can get sucked into it because at first it can make one feel special and many many women have never experienced that. So when it does happen, even in a way that isn't honouring to dignity, it doesn't matter to them.
And no matter what your view on sex, thinking that doing ten people a night for cash can't hurt the psyche (not to mention the body!!!!!) seems willfully blind.

This is the only point you have made that I concede. Though other jobs can also cause stress on mind and body, and no one moves to ban them.

You obviously have no idea the things that these women have to hear and endure from their clients.

Again, it could be because society treats them like lower life forms, so the customers see no reason to treat them well.

I try to treat them like someone performing a valuable service.

Generalizing customers is the same as generalizing sex workers.

Oh yeah, they can just walk away, I forgot. It is just NOT that simple. There is deep psychological damage here that has to be addressed. Not to mention the isolation of the worker once they are in that world. People don't realize what is going to happen once they get there! Folks don't tell them the truth! Misery LOVES company!

Again, would they be miserable if other people didn't continually tell them that what they were doing was wrong? If there was no stigma?

Like I said earlier- people usually don't tell newbies what the biz is really like because they would have to face up to it themselves. And to do so could be to see oneself as a failure which is always hard for human beings to do.

I know it can and likely will be argued that this is not representative of every sex worker on the planet which is obviously a given, but really, I've seen enough to know what the norm is. I've participated with university studies on this, I've talked to thousands of women. Porn is damaging to those in the industry and I've only talked about the mental and psychological damage. There is physical and spiritual damage too. And I haven't even touched on what it does to the loved ones of those in the industry. Think it's nice for little Charlie to go to school and hear about how his mom has sex with strangers to buy his lunch? It happens folks. It really does. I've seen it. It's enough to wreck your gut.

Why would little Charlie think something is wrong with what his mother does? Er, because society told him so? What if the bible arbitrarily decided that being a waitress was wrong? Wouldn't Charlie be upset about that too?

Selling your ahem is selling your ahem and it's not something that most women feel proud of

Where does that feeling come from? Does not society tell them it is something to be ashamed of?

Pride has to do with how other people feel about you. If other people think there is something wrong with what you are doing, then yes, it makes you not proud.

When talking about stress, one thing you forgot to mention was the fear of getting caught by the police on the part of the prostitutes, because this is the only part of the sex industry that is illegal nearly everywhere.

But is it illegal because there is something actually wrong with it, or because the bible claims something is wrong with it?

You claim the sexual immorality of the sex industry causes harm, but all the harm I see above is caused by the bible.

How many of these problems would exist if there was not a stigma on this behavior?

If society was not wrapped around the axle about artificial biblical morality?

You have claimed harm is caused by the sex industry, but virtually all of the harm you have detailed is actually caused by people's reaction to the existence of the sex industry.

How many of these problems would exist if people just treated sex workers like anyone else performing a service, such as plumbers? Would they be under stress? Would they need to hide? Would they have a reason to be ashamed? Couldn't they relate to everyone else just fine?

You are making my point. The villain is not really the sex industry, but biblical morality.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

I haven't read through this entire thread, but I have read enough to give my opinion.

Faster_Jackrabbit- your comments in particular have caught my attention. You have indicated that you have met porn stars and that they didn't seem miserable - that they seemed pleasant and entertaining (or something like that) and you seem to be using that to say that porn is not damaging to the people involved in it's making.

First of all, I want to point out that there is a huge difference between meeting someone (acquaintance) and knowing someone on a personal level. I am sure you are aware of that. It would be weird for someone to share every personal emotion with someone that is an acquaintance. What I am getting at is that I doubt that you know the personal feelings and emotions of these women you mentioned.

Second, as a former sex industry worker myself (I was a porn model, stripper and an escort) I must tell you that the majority of my life (even after leaving the industry) has been ruled by keeping up the fascade of looking happy no matter what. It's a defense mechanism. Many of us that have been valued for our looks and willingness to put up with just about anything come by faking happiness naturally. It's what we do!

Now on another note, I have known and still know (notice the difference- not just an acquaintance) many women who have worked or are working in the sex industry. I also know many men who have worked in the industry- I married one of them. Knowing myself and these other people I have come to realize that there is a huge amount of pain (emotional, physical, spiritual, etc.) that is brought on by working in the industry. I have lost several friends (who worked in the industry) to premature death because of suicide, homicide and overdose. Then there are many others I know that are still alive but dead emotionally and spiritually as a result of their involvement in the industry.

If you know someone who has worked in the industry and is truly happy with their lives, bring them in on the discussion- I would love to talk to them!

See my response to New Creation. How many of the problems you list above would still exist if society did not place a stigma on sex workers? If they were treated like workers in any other profession? If the bible did not claim it was wrong?

 

[BlondieLashes]

See my response to New Creation. How many of the problems you list above would still exist if society did not place a stigma on sex workers? If they were treated like workers in any other profession? If the bible did not claim it was wrong?

Interesting question! I must admit that while in the industry I didn't percieve that society thought that there was anything wrong with what I was doing! Quite the opposite to be honest! I found that in my social life the people I hung out with seemed to think I was "cool" (for lack of a better word) for being in porn or stripping, etc. The Bible wasn't affecting me much back then- or anyone that read it for that matter! LOL! What affected me was the actual emotional, physical and spiritual damage that it did to me on a personal level. I started using drugs and drinking just to get through and to numb my emotions. It just is not natural to expect a woman to give herself away sexually to numerous people on a regular basis and not have any emotional, spiritual and physical issues as a result.

As far as the Bible goes it wasn't until I had been out of the industry for awhile (and was seeking comfort and healing) that I started to read it and give it any heed. I have found tremendous comfort and healing in the Bible actually. The Bible is really about love and forgiveness not about seeking to point out the wrongs of society! Read it for yourself and find out!

 

[KCDAD]

Think about your usage of the term "hooker". You use a derogatory term to describe prostitutes, as does most of society, and then wonder why they have no self respect.Why is that derogatory... is it to you? It is a nostalgic throw back to the 19th century heroines who served our fighting men in the Civil War.

You argue everything and anything for the sake of reading your own words... you are heartless and have no understanding.

The Sex Industry exploits our basic instincts for profit. They not only exploit it, they twist it and turn it into something about power and possession rather than reproduction or love. The relationships in this industry are not equal, are not even human in most cases. Certainly, not personal. They are about using people as things... I believe it was Anthony Campolo (1985) who pointed out that Marx rejected capitalism because it was a system that turned us from people who use things and love people into people who love things and use people.
It can not be defended morally or intellectually. It can only be defended by a capitalist.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Can anybody see what I am trying to say?

People think the sex industry is bad because it causes harm, but the only examples of harm they give are directly related to the fact people think it is bad.

Circular reasoning, anyone?

 

[Leanna]

Absolutely. Every word that christians say along these lines convinces me that they have absolutely no idea how people live outside of their cocoon. They simply cannot conceive of other lifestyles or viewpoints.

I guess that goes to show just how ignorant you are since you have no idea about my life, my beliefs, or my supposed cocoon. If you would like to discuss what I believe like an adult I can do so with you in PMs but I guarantee you I am not a bubble Christian. I completely disagree with bubble Christians. Its sad when people like you jump to conclusions assuming you know what I believe without even asking. I guess if it makes you feel better.... that way you don't have to think there are intelligent people who have lived unChristian in an unChristian world who might actually have an informed opinion. Whatever works for you...

I stand by my belief that all adults in porn experience a loss in their emotional life and their love life with a real partner. Its sick to support this industry. I guess some people really like to think otherwise though because they have an addiction to it.

 

[gengwall]

Can anybody see what I am trying to say?

People think the sex industry is bad because it causes harm, but the only examples of harm they give are directly related to the fact people think it is bad.

Circular reasoning, anyone?

I think BlondieLashes has been trying to tell you the harm, first person. Certainly her reasoning is not circular.

 

[BlondieLashes]

Can anybody see what I am trying to say?

People think the sex industry is bad because it causes harm, but the only examples of harm they give are directly related to the fact people think it is bad.

Circular reasoning, anyone?

faster_jackrabbit- I think the sex industry is bad becasue it casued harm to myself and many others that I know personally. The examples I have given (spiritual, emotional and physical damage to oneself) have nothing to do with people thinking it is bad!

 

[Leanna]

About adultery being illegal, I think there is definitely some problems with this. For one thing, you'd have to prove it which would be difficult. Secondly you would take a lot of moms and dads away from their children, thus causing more damage, just to .... what... put them in prison? Nah... let their "maker" deal with them, or their karma.

 

[Leanna]

And even though I feel that I know what I'm talking about, I know it will be impossible to convince those who don't want to think otherwise.

Yup... some people just want to live in ignorance so they don't have to face their own shame.

When one is in the throes of a career in the sex industry, one is very aware of society's opinion of it, therefore there must be a constant effort put into one's self-defense which usually includes a false sense of security and a pretense of being satisfied with one's station in life. After all, if you don't defend what you're doing, you look like an idiot. That's why you see and hear women talking about how much they love their job. It's really rather simple and it's all about saving face.

A very excellent point... I do hope some are listening even if they do not admit it.

I've known so many of those women and SO FEW- in fact, I can't name a single one- come out of it healthy and happy. I can't tell you the damage it does to people's psyche. Sure it looks like they're having fun when they're talking to you. That's their job!

Its their job and men to live with their own consciences believe them.

So much more good stuff in that post too..... but I'll stop there.

 

[Leanna]

Second, as a former sex industry worker myself (I was a porn model, stripper and an escort) I must tell you that the majority of my life (even after leaving the industry) has been ruled by keeping up the fascade of looking happy no matter what. It's a defense mechanism. Many of us that have been valued for our looks and willingness to put up with just about anything come by faking happiness naturally. It's what we do!

Another voice of reason, I see.

Knowing myself and these other people I have come to realize that there is a huge amount of pain (emotional, physical, spiritual, etc.) that is brought on by working in the industry. I have lost several friends (who worked in the industry) to premature death because of suicide, homicide and overdose. Then there are many others I know that are still alive but dead emotionally and spiritually as a result of their involvement in the industry.