Left Wing Violence Increases--Armed Threats Force Pregnancy Center to Spend $150,000 for Security

[GreatLakes4Ever]

It is the talk about murder, or the murder itself?

You can’t violently bring people to justice on your own. As much as this culture likes superhero movies, it takes a dim view of vigilantism because it is still a civilized society. Just because you think someone is committing murder doesn’t give you license to vandalize their building. I hear churches talking about drinking the blood of a sacrificed virgin, that sounds horrible, should I vandalize them?

 

[Ana the Ist]

And Americans will be celebrated as liberators after they start bombing Iraq and defeat Saddam Hussein, both completely irrational thought processes. You bring violence, violence will be brought to you is rational thought process.

What violence?

I recall maybe 1 or two abortion clinics being bombed in my youth....not exactly a lot of violence.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

What violence?

I recall maybe 1 or two abortion clinics being bombed in my youth....not exactly a lot of violence.

You have a faulty memory or maybe they just weren’t on your radar but abortion clinics get attacked all the time

Surge of Vandalism Hits Abortion Clinics (Published 1978)

Religious violence and abortion : the Gideon Project : Blanchard, Dallas A : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...bombing/e2fcf807-dd34-433b-9799-7e3a4bd93be5/

BBC NEWS | Health | Anti-abortion and violence in the US

Abortion Clinic Bomber Sentenced

6 ARRESTED AT ABORTION CLINIC (Published 1986)

2 Get Prison for Trying to Bomb Abortion Clinic

- History

FBI Probes Abortion Clinic Bomb

FindLaw's United States Eighth Circuit case and opinions.

National News Briefs; Fire at Abortion Clinic Is Investigated as Arson (Published 2000)

CNN.com - Axe-wielding priest attacks abortion clinic - September 30, 2000

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/12/us/blast-damages-clinic-used-for-abortions.html

https://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Abortion-clinic-fire-in-Olympia-ruled-arson-1163839.php/

https://web.archive.org/web/20100311214609/http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5395773

https://web.archive.org/web/20110713164747/http://www.koat.com/news/14934467/detail.html

https://m.startribune.com/man-charg...-facility/38230064/?c=n&clmob=y&elr=KArksUUUU

https://web.archive.org/web/20090901060228/https://www.1011now.com/home/headlines/56133722.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...n-fire-bombed/2012/04/02/gIQASCXWrS_blog.html

https://fox59.com/news/person-detained-after-planned-parenthood-in-bloomington-vandalized/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/miss...tempted-arson-planned-parenthood-sentenced-63

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/sep/04/police-investigation-suspicious-fire-planned-paren/

https://www.wmur.com/article/planne...claremont-heavily-damaged-by-intruder/5205095

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/balt...roperty-reproductive-health-services-facility

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/71-year-old-admits-to-vandalism-on-planned-parenthood-building/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1239152

https://www.justice.gov/usao-de/pr/man-sentenced-hurling-molotov-cocktail-newark-planned-parenthood

https://www.winknews.com/2020/10/12...rson-at-fort-myers-planned-parenthood-center/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news...d-after-person-fires-shotgun-door/6677057002/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/us/tennessee-fire-planned-parenthood-new-years-eve/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wyoming-only-abortion-clinic-arson-video-reward/

 

[Valletta]

You have a faulty memory or maybe they just weren’t on your radar but abortion clinics get attacked all the time

Surge of Vandalism Hits Abortion Clinics (Published 1978)

Religious violence and abortion : the Gideon Project : Blanchard, Dallas A : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...bombing/e2fcf807-dd34-433b-9799-7e3a4bd93be5/

BBC NEWS | Health | Anti-abortion and violence in the US

Abortion Clinic Bomber Sentenced

6 ARRESTED AT ABORTION CLINIC (Published 1986)

2 Get Prison for Trying to Bomb Abortion Clinic

- History

FBI Probes Abortion Clinic Bomb

FindLaw's United States Eighth Circuit case and opinions.

National News Briefs; Fire at Abortion Clinic Is Investigated as Arson (Published 2000)

CNN.com - Axe-wielding priest attacks abortion clinic - September 30, 2000

Blast Damages Clinic Used for Abortions (Published 2001)

Abortion clinic fire in Olympia ruled arson

https://web.archive.org/web/20100311214609/http://www.kwqc.com/Global/story.asp?S=5395773

Suspects In Abortion Clinic Fire Plead Not Guilty - Albuquerque News Story - KOAT Albuquerque

Man charged with driving into Planned Parenthood facility

LPD: Planned Parenthood Targeted By A Molotov Cocktail

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...n-fire-bombed/2012/04/02/gIQASCXWrS_blog.html

https://fox59.com/news/person-detained-after-planned-parenthood-in-bloomington-vandalized/

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/miss...tempted-arson-planned-parenthood-sentenced-63

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/sep/04/police-investigation-suspicious-fire-planned-paren/

https://www.wmur.com/article/planne...claremont-heavily-damaged-by-intruder/5205095

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/balt...roperty-reproductive-health-services-facility

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/71-year-old-admits-to-vandalism-on-planned-parenthood-building/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1239152

https://www.justice.gov/usao-de/pr/man-sentenced-hurling-molotov-cocktail-newark-planned-parenthood

https://www.winknews.com/2020/10/12...rson-at-fort-myers-planned-parenthood-center/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news...d-after-person-fires-shotgun-door/6677057002/

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/06/us/tennessee-fire-planned-parenthood-new-years-eve/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wyoming-only-abortion-clinic-arson-video-reward/

As to number of attacks, the attacks on pro-life organizations since May 2 surpasses the number of examples that you show over a span decades. We have too many officials who excuse such acts just attacks against pro-lifers because the attacks come from the left.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

As to number of attacks, the attacks on pro-life organizations since May 2 surpasses the number of examples that you show over a span decades. We have too many officials who excuse such acts just attacks against pro-lifers because the attacks come from the left.

Your OP said over a dozen. I have well over a dozen and it is in no way an exhaustive list. My first response to you had 57 alone. Maybe if pro-life people would have reigned in their attack dogs, they wouldn’t have to have the same security abortion centers have had to have in place for years because of pro-life vigilante zealots.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You have a faulty memory or maybe they just weren’t on your radar but abortion clinics get attacked all the time

Surge of Vandalism Hits Abortion Clinics (Published 1978)

Religious violence and abortion : the Gideon Project : Blanchard, Dallas A : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...bombing/e2fcf807-dd34-433b-9799-7e3a4bd93be5/

BBC NEWS | Health | Anti-abortion and violence in the US

Abortion Clinic Bomber Sentenced

6 ARRESTED AT ABORTION CLINIC (Published 1986)

2 Get Prison for Trying to Bomb Abortion Clinic

- History

FBI Probes Abortion Clinic Bomb

FindLaw's United States Eighth Circuit case and opinions.

National News Briefs; Fire at Abortion Clinic Is Investigated as Arson (Published 2000)

CNN.com - Axe-wielding priest attacks abortion clinic - September 30, 2000

Blast Damages Clinic Used for Abortions (Published 2001)

Abortion clinic fire in Olympia ruled arson

Man Crashes Into Davenport Health Clinic - KWQC-TV6 News and Weather For The Quad Cities -

Suspects In Abortion Clinic Fire Plead Not Guilty - Albuquerque News Story - KOAT Albuquerque

Man charged with driving into Planned Parenthood facility

LPD: Planned Parenthood Targeted By A Molotov Cocktail

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...n-fire-bombed/2012/04/02/gIQASCXWrS_blog.html

Police: Man caused ‘extensive damage’ inside Planned Parenthood using ax | Fox 59

Missouri Man Who Set Fire to Mosque and Who Attempted Arson at Planned Parenthood Sentenced to 63 Months in Prison

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/sep/04/police-investigation-suspicious-fire-planned-paren/

Planned Parenthood office in Claremont heavily damaged by intruder

Baltimore Man Pleads Guilty to Damaging Property of a Reproductive Health Services Facility

71-year-old admits to vandalism on Planned Parenthood building

Missouri man sentenced to 5 years for arson at Planned Parenthood clinic

Man Sentenced for Hurling Molotov Cocktail at Newark Planned Parenthood

Deputies looking for man they say committed arson at Fort Myers Planned Parenthood center

Knoxville Planned Parenthood closed after person fires shotgun at door

Planned Parenthood Knoxville: New Year's Eve fire was arson, officials say - CNN

Masked, hooded woman seen on video setting fire at what would be Wyoming's only abortion clinic

You're right....it's not on my radar. We've got some arson incidents and and some attempted vandalism. In some cases, the perpetrators appear to be mentally disturbed. The bombings and murders are pretty few. In fact, even if you consider all these incidents violent...they don't amount to much over 50 years.

What exactly do you think this justifies?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

You're right....it's not on my radar. We've got some arson incidents and and some attempted vandalism. In some cases, the perpetrators appear to be mentally disturbed. The bombings and murders are pretty few. In fact, even if you consider all these incidents violent...they don't amount to much over 50 years.

What exactly do you think this justifies?

Two incidents to pro-life centers and pro-life people act like it’s the end of days. Abortion providers have lived with this fear for decades because of what pro-life people either actively did or turned a blind eye to as other pro-life people actively did. They are learning their actions have consequences. Keeping hitting some one long enough and they will strike back. And some will say they deserve to be struck back.

 

[Valletta]

Your OP said over a dozen. I have well over a dozen and it is in no way an exhaustive list. My first response to you had 57 alone. Maybe if pro-life people would have reigned in their attack dogs, they wouldn’t have to have the same security abortion centers have had to have in place for years because of pro-life vigilante zealots.

We're talking the difference between individuals over decades and an organized ongoing effort against Catholics and pro-life organizations spearheaded by some Democrat politicians promoting such attacks. Violence is not the answer.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Two incidents to pro-life centers and pro-life people act like it’s the end of days. Abortion providers have lived with this fear for decades because of what pro-life people either actively did or turned a blind eye to as other pro-life people actively did. They are learning their actions have consequences. Keeping hitting some one long enough and they will strike back. And some will say they deserve to be struck back.

I don't understand what the rationale is though....

You see, the pro-life people who did those things thought they were saving children.

What do the pro-abortion people think they are achieving?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

I don't understand what the rationale is though....

You see, the pro-life people who did those things thought they were saving children.

What do the pro-abortion people think they are achieving?

Saw the pro-life side be violent for 50 years and succeeded in their goal. Looks like they had a good strategy. Looks like violence worked to get Roe overturned. Violence might get Roe reinstated.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

We're talking the difference between individuals over decades and an organized ongoing effort against Catholics and pro-life organizations spearheaded by some Democrat politicians promoting such attacks. Violence is not the answer.

I’d like the names of Democratic politicians and evidence they are doing this. Violence is the answer. The pro-life side was violent for half a century and got what they wanted. You didn’t think the pro-choice side might end up learning from it.
Assaults against abortion clinics, patients rose 128% in 2021: report

Abortion providers had to be unlisted in phonebooks, randomize their routes home, have their receptionists behind bullet proof glass, hire extra security for their buildings, and get harassed every day on their way in to work for years. Now pro-life people are starting to feel some of the pain they have caused. Quit crying because of the pinching when the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Saw the pro-life side be violent for 50 years and succeeded in their goal.

Violence isn't what got Roe overturned....legitimate legal processes did.

Looks like they had a good strategy.

They did.

Looks like violence worked to get Roe overturned. Violence might get Roe reinstated.

Well good luck with that.

 

[Aldebaran]

What reproductive health care do they offer?

Whatever is needed.

 

[Aldebaran]

Saw the pro-life side be violent for 50 years and succeeded in their goal. Looks like they had a good strategy. Looks like violence worked to get Roe overturned. Violence might get Roe reinstated.

The groups who are currently targeting the conservative justices of the Supreme Court seem to agree with you. They still haven't stopped with their threats of violence, or intimidation.

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

The groups who are currently targeting the conservative justices of the Supreme Court seem to agree with you. They still haven't stopped with their threats of violence, or intimidation.

Pro-life groups have been doing that to abortion providers and those getting abortions for years. If it was right for them to do, it’s right for pro-choice groups to do. If any pro-life person had problems with what their brethren were doing to abortion clinics they were silent about it.

 

[Aldebaran]

Pro-life groups have been doing that to abortion providers and those getting abortions for years. If it was right for them to do, it’s right for pro-choice groups to do. If any pro-life person had problems with what their brethren were doing to abortion clinics they were silent about it.

Meanwhile, women who just want to take care of their unborn baby so they can give a healthy birth have to fear for their safety. Do you find that acceptable?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

If a generation was being wiped out, why would it be "crazy" to intervene like the people who attacked clinics did? If you really believe abortion is murder why wouldn’t you try and intervene at your local murder factory?

It’s a question of how you intervene. There are productive and counterproductive ways of doing so.

 

[Sparagmos]

Whatever is needed.

Really? Birth control, condoms, pelvic exams, cancer and STD screening? You know - reproductive health care? They do all that?

 

[Sparagmos]

It’s a question of how you intervene. There are productive and counterproductive ways of doing so.

So you know that everyday, in a building in your city there are babies being murdered every day, and that the murderers are t likely to be armed and you don’t intervene? Why?

 

[Aldebaran]

Really? Birth control, condoms, pelvic exams, cancer and STD screening? You know - reproductive health care? They do all that?

Yep!

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