LoveGodsWord
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God's law is His instructions for how to testy about his nature and how to thereby experientially come to know Him, or in other words grow in a relationship with Him. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not experientially know God and refuse to know Him, because in 9:13, they had forsaken the Mosaic Law, while in Jeremiah 9:24, those who experientially know God know that he delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in all of the earth, so delighting in expressing those and other aspects of God's nature is the way to grow in a relationship with God. In Romans 6:23, eternal life in Christ is the gift of God, in John 6:40, those who believe in Jesus will haver eternal life, in John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, and in Matthew 19:17, the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, so obedience to God's commandments is itself part of the content of God's gift and what it looks like to believe in Jesus and to grow in a relationship with him. In 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey His commandments are liars and the truth is not in them, and in 1 John 3:4, sin is the transgression of God's law, and those who continue to practice sin have neither seen nor known him. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to teach us how to express God's nature and how to thereby grow in a relationship with Christ, who is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3)
However, people can obey the law while missing the goal of the law, such as in John 5:39-40. Jesus said that they searched the Scripture because they think that in it they will find eternal life, and they testify about him, yet they refuse to come to him that they might have life. In Matthew 19:17, the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments, so eternal life can be found in the Scriptures and the Pharisees were correct to search for it there, but they needed to realize that a relationship with Christ is the goal of the law and come to him for eternal life. In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they didn't understand that a relationship with Jesus is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith. So they failed to attain righteousness because they pursued the law as though righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as though righteousness were by faith in Christ. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that tithing was something that they ought to be doing while not neglecting weightier matters of the law of justice, mercy, and faithfulness, so expressing the weightier matters is how we reach the goal of the law of knowing Christ. In Philippians 3:8, Paul had been in the same boat where he was keeping the law, but without having a focus on knowing Christ, so he had been missing the whole goal of the law and counted it all as rubbish.
So the problem in John 5:39-40 was not that they were still keeping laws that foreshadow and testify of Christ, but rather they were neglecting the weightier matters of the law that foreshadowed and testified of Christ.
I have never once stated that we are not under the New Covenant or that we are under the Mosaic Covenant, but rather I have been speaking about how we should live under the New Covenant.
Yes, I am speaking about the laws that foreshadow and testify about Christ.
"To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way as you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses. There is nothing about Jesus fulfilling the Mosaic Law that makes any of it no longer applicable, but rather he fulfilled it so that we would have an example to follow, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), which notably don't make exceptions for laws that foreshadow Christ. On the contrary, the light of Christ brings full substance to the foreshadows so that we can fully see what they were teaching us about Christ, which makes them all the more important to continue to observe in remembrance of Christ, such as in 1 Corinthian 5:6-8.
My last post quoted what I hate replied to, but it appears that you've heavily edited your post since then, which would explain why there were parts that I did not see until now that I have not replied to.
Your post here is not talking about what I am discussing with you to be honest. What I am focusing on and have been very careful to do so is the "shadow laws" for remission of sin from the old covenant and their fulfillment in the new covenant, nothing else (Sanctuary laws, Levitical Priesthood laws, laws for remission of sins, and some of the annual Feast days). I must say I have very much enjoyed our conversation and have learned much over the last few days of what you really believe and how much we do not have in common in what we believe and follow according to the scriptures. I use to think we had much in common. I now believe we really are at opposite ends of the spectrum now in what we believe in regards to the old covenant Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sin still being binding in Christians in the new covenant.
You believe we are to follow the old covenant laws for remission of sins yet the scriptures teach these were but shadows in the new covenant pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation for mankind as already shown in to you in the book of Hebrews *Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17 etc.. These same "shadow laws" of the old covenant and the laws for remission of sin that pointed to Jesus in the new covenant you deny, yet God's Word (not mine) tells us these laws are fulfilled in Jesus as the true Messiah in *1 Peter 1:18-19; Romans 5:6-10; 1 Corinthians 11:23-27; 1 John 2:2; John 15:13; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 9:26; 1 Peter 2:23-24; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Matthew 26:27-28; John 3:16; Ephesians 1:7; Romans 5:1; Colossians 1:21-22; Hebrews 9:12-14; Hebrews 10:8-14; 18; 1 John 4:10; Isaiah 53:4-7; 2 Corinthians 5:18-19; Ephesians 2:18; John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:1-18; Hebrews 10:26-31; Revelation 13:8.
I believe according to the scriptures if we continue in the old covenant laws for remission of sins it would be to deny the very God these laws pointed to, now that what those laws pointed to has now arrived according to the scriptures in *Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 7:1-28; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-28 and Hebrews 10:1-17 etc.. We do not testify of the nature of God by denying his Word and denying the very Christ those shadow laws pointed to. This was the same mistake the Scribes and Pharisees made according to the very Words of Jesus in John 5:39. Of course as already shared with you these same laws for remission of sins are not abolished they are fulfilled in Christ.
You do not need to send me a Greek definition of "fulfilled" as I already know it and this is the only way of have applied it in our discussions. You should know this if you have been reading my posts to you. I already stated the same understanding of the Greek meaning of fulfilled in earlier posts. That is they met there end (not meaning abolished but that to which they pointed to and are continued in) as they pointed to him as our true sacrifice for sin and his ministration on our behalf as our great High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hands. We continue these same "shadow laws" for remission of sins from the old covenant under a better covenant made with better promises now in Christ to whom these laws all pointed to. To go back to the "shadow laws" for remission of sins according to the scriptures would be to deny the very Christ they pointed to and his death on the cross on our behalf. *Hebrews 9:12-14; Hebrews 10:8-14; 1 Peter 1:18-19; Romans 5:6-10; 1 Corinthians 11:23-27.
Good luck finding your Levitical Priest to offer animal sacrifices and sin offerings. I am not sure what the difference is now with what you believe and what the Jews believe that did not accept Jesus as the Christ and Messiah. Are you able to tell me the difference (serious question)?
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