LDS LDS---YIKES!

[mmksparbud]

It stands to reason that if the punishment is greater that the sin is greater.

Whether you scramble an egg or make it over easy, or even hard boil it---the shell still has to be broken to eat it. Sin is sin---steal 5 cents or 5 million---it is still stealing!! Blood is still required to pay for that sin, which means, Jesus had to die just the same for that 5 cents as for the 5 million. Both will be forgiven if it is asked for---if it isn't, the punishment will still be greater for the 5 million.

 

[mmksparbud]

You have ignored a lot of my posts.

Sorry---not on purpose. Not to avoid answering something addressed to me.

 

[Rescued One]

Anyone that can keep those commandments will have life eternal.

And Mormonism teaches:

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the [Mormon]Gospel.
Articles of Faith 1

And I refer you to post #120:
LDS---YIKES!

 

[He is the way]

MUST KEEP COMMANDMENTS
The third thing we need to remember is that we covenanted to keep his commandments. How can a member of the Church partake of the sacrament and renew these covenants, and then go forth from this assembly, and deliberately break any of the divine commandments! In doing such a thing we bring condemnation to our souls. Far better for members if the Church never to partake of these emblems, thus renewing these three covenants, than to partake of them and then go forth to commit sin. It is, however, a solemn commandment from the Lord, that we do partake of the sacrament. Those who repeatedly and constantly disregard this commandment and remain away from this sacrament meeting, will lose the Spirit of the Lord, for his Spirit will not dwell in those who fail to renew these covenants in a consistent manner.
This is the doctrine that Paul tried to teach the Corinthian members of the Church.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol. 3, pp. 4-5

Jesus is serious about LOVING Him and keeping His commandments.

 

[He is the way]

And Mormonism teaches:

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the [Mormon]Gospel.
Articles of Faith 1

And I refer you to post #120:
LDS---YIKES!

Much the same as the Bible:

(Old Testament | Psalms 71:3)

3 Be thou my strong habitation, whereunto I may continually resort: thou hast given commandment to save me; for thou art my rock and my fortress.

(New Testament | Matthew 7:21)

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:31)

31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 4:4)

4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

(New Testament | Matthew 5:19)

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[BigDaddy4]

But David forsook the commandments:

(Old Testament | 2 Samuel 12:7 - 9)

7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

Silly mormon! Do you not read the whole chapter before condemning David? In verse 13 David confesses his sin, which Nathan confirms God forgave him. Now he's just like any other forgiven sinner.

Please, can you just admit you were wrong? Or do we have to keep proving you wrong?

 

[Peter1000]

LOL! It was vitally important for JS to get his hands on that sweet young thing that was not his wife and that is why HE brought pleural marriage in. No other reason--God never demanded it of anyone!

Again, you need to read the history and the scriptures. That is your opinion only, and it is way biased against JS for having the gaul to have a second wife as the Lord instructed.

You just cannot get over that marriage to his second wife. If she was a sweet young thing or not it did not matter, he was instructed to practice plural marriage. Get over it already. And not in one instance did he commit adultery. And I am sure that grades against you.

But like Peter, who was instructed to eat bad meat and the Lord said, what meat I command you to eat is no longer bad, even if you in your myopic view thinks it still is even after I have commanded you to eat. So Peter did eat.

JS was commanded to have more than 1 wife. It did not matter that JS thought it was adultery, what God commands, he commands and if he commands you to have a second wife, it is not adultery to him, so why should it be to JS. And therefore JS did have a second wife and more because the Lord commanded him to have more and to establish plural marriage among his people for a very good reason unto the Lord.

 

[He is the way]

Silly mormon! Do you not read the whole chapter before condemning David? In verse 13 David confesses his sin, which Nathan confirms God forgave him. Now he's just like any other forgiven sinner.

Please, can you just admit you were wrong? Or do we have to keep proving you wrong?

My point was that David broke the commandments, nor did you prove me wrong about that. He was not punished immediately by death; but he did not escape punishment:

(Old Testament | 2 Samuel 12:10 - 14)

10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.
11 Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.
12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.
13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.
14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

 

[mmksparbud]

Again, you need to read the history and the scriptures. That is your opinion only, and it is way biased against JS for having the gaul to have a second wife as the Lord instructed.

You just cannot get over that marriage to his second wife. If she was a sweet young thing or not it did not matter, he was instructed to practice plural marriage. Get over it already. And not in one instance did he commit adultery. And I am sure that grades against you.

But like Peter, who was instructed to eat bad meat and the Lord said, what meat I command you to eat is no longer bad, even if you in your myopic view thinks it still is even after I have commanded you to eat. So Peter did eat.

JS was commanded to have more than 1 wife. It did not matter that JS thought it was adultery, what God commands, he commands and if he commands you to have a second wife, it is not adultery to him, so why should it be to JS. And therefore JS did have a second wife and more because the Lord commanded him to have more and to establish plural marriage among his people for a very good reason unto the Lord.

It does not matter personally to me if he had 200 wives, Solomon had more than that. It matters to me that people say God demanded pleural wives when He never asked one single solitary person to do that, and you have never provided a verse where He demands it. there is obviously prove that He allowed it, and made provisions for those who were in it. There is also obviously prove that the apostles were told--ONE WIFE. All this is only prove that you follow JS--not God. God allowed brothers and sisters to marry once, came a time when He said no more---same with pleural wives. It is a horrible lie that JS taught just to feed his own lusts. It did not come from God--if anyone today said that God has demanded we marry our brothers and sisters----everyone would immediately know it did not come from God. When God says no more, He means just that. It is just another prove that JS was not a prophet of God. Name one instance where God said, yes---no----yes----no---maybe later!

For a very good reason??? What was that?

 

[Rescued One]

Jesus is serious about LOVING Him and keeping His commandments.

Father God gives us faith and gives the sheep to the Good Shepherd. But we are to love the one true God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!

Matthew 22
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[BigDaddy4]

My point was that David broke the commandments, nor did you prove me wrong about that. He was not punished immediately by death; but he did not escape punishment:

No, your point was more than that at the time and now you're trying to back track it. I never said you were wrong about David breaking the commandments, or any of his punishments for doing so. After all, it's right there in the Bible. I said you were wrong that David didn't know the Lord, or that the Lord did not know him. It's okay to admit you were wrong.

 

[Rescued One]

Much the same as the Bible:

(Old Testament | Psalms 71:3)

3 Be thou my strong habitation, whereunto I may continually resort: thou hast given commandment to save me; for thou art my rock and my fortress.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:10)

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:31)

31 But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.

(Old Testament | Proverbs 4:4)

4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

And yet you have never listed the 613 commandments!

 

[Peter1000]

It does not matter personally to me if he had 200 wives, Solomon had more than that. It matters to me that people say God demanded pleural wives when He never asked one single solitary person to do that, and you have never provided a verse where He demands it. there is obviously prove that He allowed it, and made provisions for those who were in it. There is also obviously prove that the apostles were told--ONE WIFE. All this is only prove that you follow JS--not God. God allowed brothers and sisters to marry once, came a time when He said no more---same with pleural wives. It is a horrible lie that JS taught just to feed his own lusts. It did not come from God--if anyone today said that God has demanded we marry our brothers and sisters----everyone would immediately know it did not come from God. When God says no more, He means just that. It is just another prove that JS was not a prophet of God. Name one instance where God said, yes---no----yes----no---maybe later!

For a very good reason??? What was that?

If you read the history of the Prophet JS you will find the command to practice plural marriage. For very good reasons, God commanded that the Church of Jesus Christ practice plural marriage, and it worked the way he expected it to.

When God accomplished what he intended, and the laws of the nation changed, He commanded that we stop practicing plural marriage. We do what God commands.

 

[dzheremi]

Yeah...and none of that had anything to do with Utah's bid for statehood, you guys! Seriously! It was all god...his will just happened to correspond with the political reality of the time! At least in that instance he was in time with the zeitgeist, as opposed to later when he waited until 1978 before changing his mind about black people.

 

[Ironhold]

Yeah...and none of that had anything to do with Utah's bid for statehood, you guys! Seriously! It was all god...his will just happened to correspond with the political reality of the time! At least in that instance he was in time with the zeitgeist, as opposed to later when he waited until 1978 before changing his mind about black people.

If you look at global history, you'll see that 1978 was when... the last European colonial power left Africa, allowing the residents there to be truly free to live their lives and make their own choices.

 

[dzheremi]

If you look at global history, you'll see that 1978 was when... the last European colonial power left Africa, allowing the residents there to be truly free to live their lives and make their own choices.

And if you look at Christian history, you see that there have been black everything in Christianity since forever. The East African kingdom of Axum was converted to Christianity in the 320s (traditionally 330, though there's coinage from at least a few years before that which has Christian motifs, suggesting that the traditional date might be a bit late), the first bishops were sent to the Nubian areas of Egypt and Sudan in the 340s, there is of course St. Philip's dialogue with the Ethiopian in Acts, and so on.

You may be able to make the LDS religion's late awakening be in line with secular history, but there is no doubt that it lagged far behind what the Christian world as a whole had always accepted: that black people make perfectly find bishops, priests, monks, etc., and there should be no difference between them and anyone else in the Church. We are all one in Christ, and I would consider it a blessing to receive from any Ethiopian, Eritrean, Sudanese, or other black priest, as I have had the blessing to celebrate the liturgy alongside many laypeople from these places.

 

[Peter1000]

And if you look at Christian history, you see that there have been black everything in Christianity since forever. The East African kingdom of Axum was converted to Christianity in the 320s (traditionally 330, though there's coinage from at least a few years before that which has Christian motifs, suggesting that the traditional date might be a bit late), the first bishops were sent to the Nubian areas of Egypt and Sudan in the 340s, there is of course St. Philip's dialogue with the Ethiopian in Acts, and so on.

You may be able to make the LDS religion's late awakening be in line with secular history, but there is no doubt that it lagged far behind what the Christian world as a whole had always accepted: that black people make perfectly find bishops, priests, monks, etc., and there should be no difference between them and anyone else in the Church. We are all one in Christ, and I would consider it a blessing to receive from any Ethiopian, Eritrean, Sudanese, or other black priest, as I have had the blessing to celebrate the liturgy alongside many laypeople from these places.

When was the last time you read your black Christian history in America? There was a time, not long ago, when a black Christian could not walk into a lot of white Christian church, remember?

 

[BigDaddy4]

If you look at global history, you'll see that 1978 was when... the last European colonial power left Africa, allowing the residents there to be truly free to live their lives and make their own choices.

So, then, the god of mormonism is the god of this world...

 

[BigDaddy4]

When was the last time you read your black Christian history in America? There was a time, not long ago, when a black Christian could not walk into a lot of white Christian church, remember?

When did dzheremi say anything about black Christianity history in America? Or is your mormom god only concerned about America?

 

[dzheremi]

When was the last time you read your black Christian history in America? There was a time, not long ago, when a black Christian could not walk into a lot of white Christian church, remember?

My Church wasn't even in America until the 1960s, so I don't know what you're talking about. It's not my fault that your god is a provincial yokel who doesn't know or care about anything outside of the United States, a country that timeline-wise is but a blip on the radar of a 2,000 year old religion like Christianity.

I mean, I love America and all, but come on. You've got the garden of Eden in Missouri, the golden plates and magical translating rock 'discovered' in upstate NY basically in JS' backyard, and Utah as the Mormon Mecca, and you want to tell me about American black Christian history? Go on. Tell me all about it. I'm sure it'll be totally accurate and not at all calculated to attempt to exonerate the LDS religion of its theological racism. I could use a hard facepalm through the screen. I don't drink coffee (don't get too excited; I'm sure I do all kinds of other stuff that probably violates the so-called 'word of wisdom' ), so that might help wake me up today.