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If I wasn't a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and had hard evidence that it was true, I would join. Therefore it would be unlikely that the evidence would come from a non-member.LOL. Imagine that, the "authors" of this "analysis" are lds! Is this the "research" or "scholarship" you are trying to use as credible? When you have something from an independent, non-lds resource, let me know. Otherwise, don't bother.
Lame excuse. Credible evidence can withstand even the toughest scrutiny, when it's based on facts. Just face, you have none.I think we've explained this one before.
For non-members, producing something that can be seen as defending the church is a significant risk, both because of anti-Mormon sentiment and because this same sentiment has forced pro-Mormon materials into the "fringes".
Hence why most of the material you'll see is from pro-Mormon sources as they don't have the same consequences to face.
Well, you are a member and don't have hard evidence, so why are you staying?If I wasn't a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and had hard evidence that it was true, I would join. Therefore it would be unlikely that the evidence would come from a non-member.
Yes I do have hard evidence in a book and a diary.Well, you are a member and don't have hard evidence, so why are you staying?
This is your standard response to any evidence presented to you. This evidence happens to be non-Mormon scholarly evidence on population numbers.Does not address my post in any way. This is you pointing out rabbit holes to distract from directly answering a question.
You have hard evidence that the people and events of the BOM actually happened? I seriously doubt that. You probably have someone's burning bosom testimony and are gullible enough to believe it's true.Yes I do have hard evidence in a book and a diary.
I have hard proof that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. That is all that I need.You have hard evidence that the people and events of the BOM actually happened? I seriously doubt that. You probably have someone's burning bosom testimony and are gullible enough to believe it's true.
This is your standard response to any evidence presented to you. This evidence happens to be non-Mormon scholarly evidence on population numbers.
Except it was not exactly what I was looking for. Not even close. I don't care about the evidence of existence for millions of Native Americans. I asked for evidence that the people and events of the BOM actually existed. Millions of people lived and existed for hundreds of years and then conveniently killed everyone off and entire battlefields, infrastructure, and remains vanished without a trace? Now that's a fairy tale!Not rabbit holes, just the simple truth, as evidenced by non-Mormon scientists, which is exactly what you were looking for.
The author of the research was LDS, but the book that he was finding interesting parallels was a non-Mormon, anti BOM author, Dr. Michael Coe. Unwittingly, Coe has offered a nice comparison between the life and culture of the Mayan people and the life and culture of the BOM people.LOL. Imagine that, the "authors" of this "analysis" are lds! Is this the "research" or "scholarship" you are trying to use as credible? When you have something from an independent, non-lds resource, let me know. Otherwise, don't bother.
There is no evidence that will satisfy you, so quit asking.Except it was not exactly what I was looking for. Not even close. I don't care about the evidence of existence for millions of Native Americans. I asked for evidence that the people and events of the BOM actually existed. Millions of people lived and existed for hundreds of years and then conveniently killed everyone off and entire battlefields, infrastructure, and remains vanished without a trace? Now that's a fairy tale!
Your church can't even decide on the geographical location - either upstate New York area or Central America were the front runners.
Your fairy tale will be much more believable when you can provide evidence that is actually worthwhile.
There is no evidence that will satisfy you, so quit asking.
There is no evidence that Moses and the children of Israel were in Egypt and came up out of Egypt. What do you do about that problem?
When Jesus said:Not that this matters but it's irrelevant since there is circumstantial evidence that Moses and the children of Israel were in Egypt and came up out of Egypt.
What is relevant however is that every Mormon best be prepared for a tragic ending due that very same circumstantial evidence ... the Commandments.
Subsequently then the tragic ending is outer darkness for failing to keep every commandment 100% perfectly since you're into ladder climbing via Jesus the examplier.
Which is why every Mormon best be ready for a tragic ending … outer darkness, due to the Commands requirement for the prove oneself-worthy types (i.e. the Mormon ladder climber) that they then "be perfect".When Jesus said:
(New Testament | John 14:15)
15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
He was not just speaking to members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, this scripture applies to everyone. There is no reason for anyone to believe it does not apply to them.
Yes it does apply to members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. And as I said everyone else also.Which is why every Mormon best be ready for a tragic ending … outer darkness, due to the Commands requirement for the prove oneself-worthy types (i.e. the Mormon ladder climber) that they then "be perfect".
And yet still no evidence the BOM people actually existed. At least there is evidence of Mayan people existing. Parallels are not proof.The author of the research was LDS, but the book that he was finding interesting parallels was a non-Mormon, anti BOM author, Dr. Michael Coe. Unwittingly, Coe has offered a nice comparison between the life and culture of the Mayan people and the life and culture of the BOM people.
Since the project proved positive to the BOM as a non-fictional book, I'm sure you will object to anything scientific. But you can thank Mike Cole for that folley.
Correction - there is no evidence that you can provide, so I will continue to ask until you are able to provide the requested evidence. Until then, the BOM is just a fictional tale from the mind of a false prophet.There is no evidence that will satisfy you, so quit asking.
There is no evidence that Moses and the children of Israel were in Egypt and came up out of Egypt. What do you do about that problem?
You apparently aren't getting it:Yes it does apply to members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. And as I said everyone else also.
You do not understand our words concerning the commandments.Not that this matters but it's irrelevant since there is circumstantial evidence that Moses and the children of Israel were in Egypt and came up out of Egypt.
What is relevant however is that every Mormon best be prepared for a tragic ending due that very same circumstantial evidence ... the Commandments.
Subsequently then the tragic ending is outer darkness for failing to keep every commandment 100% perfectly since you're into ladder climbing via Jesus the examplier.
Correction - there is no evidence that you can provide, so I will continue to ask until you are able to provide the requested evidence. Until then, the BOM is just a fictional tale from the mind of a false prophet.
I don't have a problem with Moses. He existed. Egypt existed. The Red Sea existed. The Israelites existed. Your comparison fails.
We also believe in the atonement and that through the atonement that all mankind may be saved. But we can not reject obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. The Bible does not endorse sin even to the least degree. It is sin that separates us from God. Even the act of not helping someone is sin. Consider of what happened to the rich man in the story about Lazarus:You apparently aren't getting it:
Mormonism teaches an examplier Jesus while stressing obedience to the commandments … that leads only to a tragic result of being condemned to outer darkness because of failure to obey 100%.
Biblical Christianity teaches a substitute Jesus, were God declares Jesus' perfect obedience to the commandments is being credited to us through faith in that alone … that is the saving gospel.
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