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[mmksparbud]

Explain "webs".

 

[Ironhold]

Explain "webs".

Go back and check Rockytopva's post. He's the one who first used the term. I was basically responding to the both of you.

 

[mmksparbud]

In that case, one could just as easily question why so much of mainline Christianity has built "webs" of their own.

I guess you mean this:

Paul said that he was determined not to know anything save Jesus Christ and him crucified. In which, the whole Mormon thing is one huge mental web that keeps on spinning as one enters the movement.

I'm, still not sure what is meant. If you are referring to the many denominations within Christianity, they are still Christian---it is the main web, JS brought in a whole other web outside the main web.
Many sheep outside this fold, many folds, but one Shepherd, one flock, maybe an occasional goat---JS brought in not other sheep, but way too many goats to be considered a part of the flock.

 

[Ironhold]

I guess you mean this:



I'm, still not sure what is meant. If you are referring to the many denominations within Christianity, they are still Christian---it is the main web, JS brought in a whole other web outside the main web.
Many sheep outside this fold, many folds, but one Shepherd, one flock, maybe an occasional goat---JS brought in not other sheep, but way too many goats to be considered a part of the flock.

I believe that he was referring to the "extra" stuff above and beyond the Bible.

 

[mmksparbud]

I believe that he was referring to the "extra" stuff above and beyond the Bible.

So was I!

 

[fatboys]

Your argument is akin to claiming that Zondervan and Tyndale can determine what is and isn't canon for mainline Christianity.

The official standard is what I explained to you: if the copyright isn't from church HQ itself, then it means that the work is not officially sanctioned. It's on the individual church member to determine if they wish to accept a work from there.



This does not follow from your initial argument.

I really like your posts. Keep up the good work

 

[fatboys]

Wthwonderingawe I have enjoyed your posts. If you keep chipping away at the cement its going to crack.

 

[fatboys]

No one has answers back we must have won

 

[Ironhold]

I really like your posts. Keep up the good work

Thank you.

 

[mmksparbud]

No one has answers back we must have won

Won what??
What cement has cracked?
We're still the sheep in the fold, following the voice of Our Shepherd, JESUS CHRIST. No other voice needed.

 

[Truthseeker1971]

2 Nephi 5:21
And he {LDS deity}had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

3 Nephi 2:15
And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.

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IN SUMMARY:
Black skin is a curse from {LDS} God and unenticing to His {LDS deity} people.

I would like to know how they would explain away Solomon (half black through his Ethiopian mother)

 

[Truthseeker1971]

I find the Bible to be authoritative because I feel God's words in it, and through prayer God testify's to me that it's His. Likewise, I find the Book of Mormon to be authoritative because I feel God's words in it, and through prayer God testify's to me that it's His. I view them going together, the way Samuel goes with Mark and Luke with Ephesians: complimentary and sharing the same message.

The canon closed with the completion of Revelation. There is no new prophecy. And God would never give His blessing to any book that contradicts His word (such as the New Jerusalem being somewhere in the US- I forget where Mormons say it will be), and Jesus and Satan being brothers (comes from paganism).

Also its funny how no one has seen these so called "golden plates" and the fact that the Neolithic native americans HAD NO WRITTEN LANGUAGE

 

[Jane_Doe]

The canon closed with the completion of Revelation. There is no new prophecy. And God would never give His blessing to any book that contradicts His word (such as the New Jerusalem being somewhere in the US- I forget where Mormons say it will be), and Jesus and Satan being brothers (comes from paganism).

Also its funny how no one has seen these so called "golden plates" and the fact that the Neolithic native americans HAD NO WRITTEN LANGUAGE

Wow, that's a lot of stuff totally off topic. I'll focus on the first comment:

The canon closed with the completion of Revelation. There is no new prophecy.

Source?

 

[Truthseeker1971]

Wow, that's a lot of stuff totally off topic. I'll focus on the first comment:



Source?

Its not off topic at all. It was in answer to your post about both the bible and the Book of Mormon being authoritative

Source? You ask

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

This isn't speaking just of Revelation as some would believe. This is actually a quote from the Old Testament So this is actually speaking of the whole bible

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Prophecy ended with the completion of the canon, ending with Revelation. Tell me what do you think the book of Mormon is, but an addition to the bible. Especially when it contradicts the bible in a thousand ways.

To say that prophecy never ended, as Charismatics, Mormons, JWs, Muslims and others believe is to say that the bible is insufficient and that belief does nothing but lead people down a thousand different paths of error

 

[Jane_Doe]

Its not off topic at all. It was in answer to your post about both the bible and the Book of Mormon being authoritative

Source? You ask

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

This isn't speaking just of Revelation as some would believe. This is actually a quote from the Old Testament So this is actually speaking of the whole bible

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Prophecy ended with the completion of the canon, ending with Revelation. Tell me what do you think the book of Mormon is, but an addition to the bible. Especially when it contradicts the bible in a thousand ways.

To say that prophecy never ended, as Charismatics, Mormons, JWs, Muslims and others believe is to say that the bible is insufficient and that belief does nothing but lead people down a thousand different paths of error

Question: why would you say the Revelation quote applies to more than just Book of Revelation?

Let's say, hypothetically, that such a quote in the Bible were to say "Nope there can never be any new revelation of any type."
Why does the Bible not end at Deuteronomy?
It is widely believed that the books 2nd Peter, Titus, 1&2 Timothy, and Epistles of John, and the Gospel of John were written after the Book of Revelation. Why are they then included? Is John damned?
How are the Protestant reformers not damned for removing the Apocrypha?

 

[Ironhold]

I would like to know how they would explain away Solomon (half black through his Ethiopian mother)

Apples and oranges, dude.

Nephi is referring to a specific group of peoples in Central America when it's talking about this.

 

[Ironhold]

The canon closed with the completion of Revelation.

Not everyone within mainline Christianity holds to that.

Revelation wasn't the last book to be written. You need to understand this.

There is no new prophecy.

Somehow, "God loving humanity" and "God not speaking to humanity" don't seem to go together.

and Jesus and Satan being brothers (comes from paganism).

The concept is that everyone is the spiritual brother and sister of one another.

Also its funny how no one has seen these so called "golden plates" and the fact that the Neolithic native americans HAD NO WRITTEN LANGUAGE

Neolothic?

600 BC isn't Neolithic.

 

[mmksparbud]

Whatever God reveals must be in harmony with what He has already stated, God does not contradict Himself, or Christ.
"Neolithic or not--no written language, they did pictures, symbols in skins or blankets--they had an oral tradition and not one has any such history as in the BOM.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Somehow, "God loving humanity" and "God not speaking to humanity" don't seem to go together.

But let's look at how God speaks to humanity. With Jesus Christ blood, we have the New Covenant, Christ with us and the indwelling Holy Spirit.

With that being true and with God telling us that the Biblical Cannon has been closed we know that God speaks to each of us through the Holy Spirit.

What we are warned about consistantly even by Jesus Christ Himself is that their will be false prophets.

Matthew 7:15
15"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Matthew 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said to them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

1 Timothy 3;13
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Acts 20:29-30
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Galatians 1:6
I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel:

 

[Ironhold]

"Neolithic or not--no written language,

[citation needed]