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[Ironhold]

Your perceived persecution complex is also off topic.

If we were to start a thread about it, what would you do?

 

[drstevej]

OFF TOPIC ^^^. Can we discuss the BoM ?

The Bible and Book of Mormon are considered companion texts, in that they are to be taken together.

You see, the Bible contains God's word to the Middle East, while the Book of Mormon contains God's word to Central America. That they so completely echo each other is testament to the fact that God's word is the same no matter where you are in the world.

This is a statement without substantiation. Care to provide it?

 

[BigDaddy4]

If we were to start a thread about it, what would you do?

Ignore it. Do you not have anything to contribute to the topic?

 

[Ironhold]

Ignore it. Do you not have anything to contribute to the topic?

As you can see from the post above, I *have* been contributing.

 

[Ironhold]

OFF TOPIC ^^^. Can we discuss the BoM ?



This is a statement without substantiation. Care to provide it?

What do you need substantiated?

 

[Peter1000]

Yes that's where I was politely trying to go with that.

I could see maybe one small contridiciton to the Bible but so many. And big things, not just little stuff. It seems overwhelming to me that there are so many differences to believe that it is a further revelation from the same God. And the Bible is thorough. It's not like there are all these questions unanswered there or something. It is all in there.

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ToBeLoved,

You have stated many times your disbelief in the BOM because of the big contradictions to the Bible.

You also know I have challenged you a couple of times to show me a conflict between the BOM and the Bible. You have not responeded over the last 2 weeks, so I am suspicous that you can not find one. So what it comes to is find a contradiction or you ought to consider not saying the BOM contradicts the Bible.

Answer this question: If you learned that Jesus Christ came to the people in the Americas after his crucifiction and ascention, why would that not be interesting to you. Surely he is the Savior of the world and these people were of the House of Israel, just like the people of Jerusalem.

The people of the Americas knew of Jesus Christ. They were aware, through a prophecy that certain signs would be given at his birth and they saw them. They were also aware, through a prophecy that certain signs would be given of his death and resurrection and they saw them. They knew he was born of Mary and lived and taught the gospel and was sacrificed for their sins. They looked forward to his earthly ministry. They were astonished when he came down from the heavens after his resurrection and ascention and was with them for a number of days, taught them his gospel, organized his church, prayed to the Father to heal the sick, bless the needy and give them hope and grace and reasurrance that he was their Redeemer and the Son of God that their prophets had prophecied since 600 BC.

Since there was no telecomunications 32 AD, it was appropriate for Jesus to come to this side of the world, especially since they too were of the House of Israel. It is interesting to read about it.

When the Spaniards came in the 1500's, they were astonished at many of the Christian doctrines that w the people knew, such as baptism, the cross, a bearded white God that had come many years ago and had promised to return from the East, the sacrament, images of their god with holes in his feet and hands. The fact is Jesus had visited them and over the years his gospel was corrupted, but it still had vestiges of the truth.
Read a book of Cortez, and why many of the natives bowed down and worshiped him. He was a bearded white man that came to their lands from the East. They thought he was Jesus.

So Try the challenge, you will be surprised.

 

[Tawhano]

Read a book of Cortez, and why many of the natives bowed down and worshiped him. He was a bearded white man that came to their lands from the East. They thought he was Jesus.

Could you supply information on this book that I can find it or supply a link you read that supports your claim please?

 

[Tawhano]

Answer this question: If you learned that Jesus Christ came to the people in the Americas after his crucifiction and ascention, why would that not be interesting to you. Surely he is the Savior of the world and these people were of the House of Israel, just like the people of Jerusalem.

I believe that Jesus did go to teach other people of the world. Once Jesus was transfigured into a spirit being he was free of the limitations of the flesh and was able to travel the world to do so. Jesus said the other sheep were not of this fold so therefore the indigenous people of the Americas were not of the House of Israel.

(Joh 10:16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Leigh cowley]

I believe that Jesus did go to teach other people of the world. Once Jesus was transfigured into a spirit being he was free of the limitations of the flesh and was able to travel the world to do so. Jesus said the other sheep were not of this fold so therefore the indigenous people of the Americas were not of the House of Israel.

(Joh 10:16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Why would you think a body would limit God or Jesus?

 

[Ironhold]

Could you supply information on this book that I can find it or supply a link you read that supports your claim please?

I saw something like that in my 5th grade world history book.

So yeah - it's not something that people just made up.

 

[drstevej]

I saw something like that in my 5th grade world history book.

So yeah - it's not something that people just made up.

Was this a Mormon written history? Please provide a citation and not a recollection.

 

[Tawhano]

Why would you think a body would limit God or Jesus?

Because a body is physical and therefore subject to physical laws.

 

[Tawhano]

I saw something like that in my 5th grade world history book.

So yeah - it's not something that people just made up.

I have several books on world history and I cannot find one reference that Cortez even hints that the people he encountered knew Jesus. I also did a search online for this "book of Cortez" and the closes reference to that was his journal and that didn't support the view that the people he met knew Jesus. I believe you and Peter1000 are reading into this bit of history your own perception and not historical references. I could be wrong but unless you and Peter1000 have more than just your views on this topic I will have to file this bit of information as bogus.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Because a body is physical and therefore subject to physical laws.

But God has power over the elements, he can create worlds without end.

 

[Ironhold]

Was this a Mormon written history? Please provide a citation and not a recollection.

I'm in Texas, dude.

Remember?

edit -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viracocha

Viracocha is the white, bearded god in question. Wiki talks about how Pizarro was mistaken for him, leading to his being able to roll over a large group of people.

 

[drstevej]

This is Jesus?

2 + 2 does not equal 5,237,354
This article is unconvincing.

And stop referring to me as "dude"

 

[fatboys]

Because a body is physical and therefore subject to physical laws.

Are you saying that if God had a physical body that it would have to stick to physical laws as we know them?

 

[Ironhold]

This is Jesus?

2 + 2 does not equal 5,237,354
This article is unconvincing.

And stop referring to me as "dude"

It may be how the locals chose to represent him.

We don't know.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I believe that Jesus did go to teach other people of the world. Once Jesus was transfigured into a spirit being he was free of the limitations of the flesh and was able to travel the world to do so. Jesus said the other sheep were not of this fold so therefore the indigenous people of the Americas were not of the House of Israel.

(Joh 10:16) And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

A couple of questions about this post--

1) So you believe Jesus discarded His resurrected perfected fleshy body?
2) Where does it say that in the Bible?
3) Why would He do that? Especially just after resurrection and to emphasizing it?
4) Why do you think that a fleshy tabernacle somehow limit God whom created the world?
5) Do you think you'll have a fleshy tabernacle after resurrection?

 

[mmksparbud]

I believe that Jesus did go to teach other people of the world. Once Jesus was transfigured into a spirit being he was free of the limitations of the flesh and was able to travel the world to do so.

Well, I must disagree---
(Luk 24:39) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
(Luk 24:40) And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
(Luk 24:41) And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
(Luk 24:42) And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
(Luk 24:43) And he took it, and did eat before them.

Because a body is physical and therefore subject to physical laws.

I must disagree with you too.
This was after His resurrection. However, Jesus is also fully divine-- with this human body He could do this

(Luk 24:31) And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
(Joh 20:26) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.