LDs Teach that the resurrected body will not have blood

[Ran77]

It seems as if people are waiting for the LDS to object to something here? I'm not sure what that would be. LDS believe that in the resurrection we will have bodies of Flesh and Bone. That should confirm some of the posts that have already been submitted on the topic.

Now what?

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[Clare73]

LDS Teach that the resurrected body will not have blood.

No blood would not be surprising to me.

There will be radical changes in our glorified physical bodies.

I suspect they will be changes totally different from our present existence.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[TasteForTruth]

If you want to be the voice of authority on CF, you know that won't happen. Do you own the site? I don't and I'm not a voice of authority.

If you want to clarify something, show us why it needs to be clarified and what lesson manual or a church leader shared in General Conference. Otherwise, we are only getting your opinion on the matter.

Why do I need to show you anything? I haven't made any comments on the doctrine. Ask bbbbbbb why it needs to be clarified. He's the one seeking substantiation!

There aren't two ways.

If in one thread non-LDS spurn LDS posters as either not credible or not authoritative, but in other threads ask us to substantiate the actuality or meaning of LDS doctrines, then there exists in the mind of those persons "two ways." Either way, it is not my problem.

It would be very simple for LDS to quote an authoritative source.

Anyone can. bbbbbb can. You can. What is your point?

Is this about Phoebe Ann, whom you claim misrepresents Mormonism? Prove her wrong. Prove that she took something out of context or misunderstood what the LDS leader was saying. Don't just make accusations.

I made no accusation. I presented two facts: 1. You started this thread. 2. Your thread title—"LDS Teach that the resurrected body will not have blood"—is presented as a declaration of fact. As such, since you are stating this as fact, it logically follows that you know that this is fact. So I suggested that bbbbbbb ought to ask you his question. No accusation. No contest to what you said. Who is accusing whom?

 

[Rescued One]

Gen 9:6, after the flood, reiterates that man is made in the image of God.

In the faith,
Clare

Could you clarify your point?

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Genesis 9:6

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:29

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:49

 

[Ran77]

If in one thread non-LDS spurn LDS posters as either not credible or not authoritative, but in other threads ask us to substantiate the actuality or meaning of LDS doctrines, then there exists in the mind of those persons "two ways." Either way, it is not my problem.
Anyone can. bbbbbb can. You can. What is your point?

Good point. There is a convenient flip-flopping on this. Especially when they want to present quotes from non-doctrinal sources. Then we really don't know what we're talking about when it comes to what is authorative.

 

[Rescued One]

I made no accusation. I presented two facts: 1. You started this thread. 2. Your thread title—"LDS Teach that the resurrected body will not have blood"—is presented as a declaration of fact. As such, since you are stating this as fact, it logically follows that you know that this is fact. So I suggested that bbbbbbb ought to ask you his question. No accusation. No contest to what you said. Who is accusing whom?

I'm not basing my suggestion on this thread alone.

 

[TasteForTruth]

I'm not basing my suggestion on this thread alone.

Any time you want to set aside doctrine to discuss one another's conduct and/or motives, I'll be first to offer my own up to scrutiny.

As it is, however, my last post stands. I accused you of nothing.

 

[skylark1]

As you are well aware, I rarely assert that I am anything of an authority on all matters LDS. I am simply requesting that you either prove or disprove the OP using your own Four Standard Works. Let them speak for the LDS and I will accept what they say as being authoritative. I remain perplexed that what I receive from you is evasion and condemnation. I have hoped that it might be possible to discuss this doctrine in a civil manner.

That's all anyone ever asked. Do LDS teach and believe what is outside their standard works? Do their lesson manuals teach what is not in their standard works? Is there a difference between a man of flesh and bones and one of flesh and blood? What is the difference?

Evasion and condemnation is what I see.

I'm late in entering this discussion. However, in reading the first few posts in this thread, I didn't see where a question was asked. There was the statement, "LDS Teach that the resurrected body will not have blood," and then there was a series of quotes from LDS leaders and/or manuals. I'm not sure that anyone can be evading something if nothing was asked of them.

This thread reminds me of a similar discussion some time ago here at CF. I thought that it might be helpful to repost some of the comments. In doing so I am not trying to tell anyone what they believe, keep anyone from answering, or attempting to solve anything. I'm just posting it for discussion, and hopefully yo aid in understanding.

"God Almighty Himself dwells in eternal fire; flesh and blood cannot go there, for all corruption is devoured by the fire. 'Our God is a consuming fire.' When our flesh is quickened by the Spirit, there will be no blood in this tabernacle. Some dwell in higher glory than others."
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 367) (posted by Phoebe Ann)

[link added: TPJS 367 pdf free ebook download from scriptures.byu.edu ]


[Alma 11:45]
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption. Alma 11:45. (posted by ZippythePinhead)

"I agree with you that a spiritual body does not consist of flesh and blood. It is made of spiritual matter. But in the resurrection that spiritual body is reunited with the physical body. Therefore the spirit body is put into a body of flesh and bone, the very one we had here on earth, only perfected, uncorrupted, glorious, and immortal. The spirit body and the physical body never again to be separated. The physical body has no blood after the resurrection. Blood is only present in the physical version of the mortal body." (posted by ZippythePinhead)



Immortality is the restoring of the spirit to the body, 2 Ne. 9:
13 O how great the plan of our God! For on the other hand, the paradise of God must deliver up the spirits of the righteous, and the grave deliver up the body of the righteous; and the spirit and the body is restored to itself again, and all men become incorruptible, and immortal, and they are living souls, having a perfect knowledge like unto us in the flesh, save it be that our knowledge shall be perfect.


Spirits united with their bodies become immortal, never to die again, Alma 11:
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption.

(LDS Guide to the Scriptures) (posted by Phoebe Ann)​

 

[TasteForTruth]

I'm late in entering this discussion. However, in reading the first few posts in this thread, I didn't see where a question was asked. There was the statement, "LDS Teach that the resurrected body will not have blood," and then there was a series of quotes from LDS leaders and/or manuals. I'm not sure that anyone can be evading something if nothing was asked of them.

Hi Skylark. There was a question asked (or a request made, in this case) by bbbbbbb in a later post:

As I understand it, this thread is about the teaching of the LDS that the resurrected body does not have blood. I hoped that the LDS could provide pertinent quotes from any of their Four Standard Works to substantiate or disprove this statement.

Phoebe Ann's charge of evasion came after I posted in reply—not a direct answer to bbbbbbb, but a charge of my own against a double-standard in dealing with LDS posters, of whom I am, of course, one. You can read all about it, if you haven't already.

 

[Enkil]

Only CF Mormons can spend an endless amount of time debating the debate and discussing the discussion instead of actually debating or discussing. The stated purpose of this entire forum is debate or discussion of Unorthodox theology, not making Mormons who are upset their theology is being mentioned by non-mormons feel better.

If the Mormon posters here don't want to participate in the thread... then don't. No need to constantly troll and hijack good threads.

 

[Rescued One]

I'm late in entering this discussion. However, in reading the first few posts in this thread, I didn't see where a question was asked. There was the statement, "LDS Teach that the resurrected body will not have blood," and then there was a series of quotes from LDS leaders and/or manuals. I'm not sure that anyone can be evading something if nothing was asked of them.

I wasn't talking about this thread at all. I was talking about what usually happens on the topics pertaining to Mormonism.

 

[Rescued One]

No blood would not be surprising to me.

There will be radical changes in our glorified physical bodies.

I suspect they will be changes totally different from our present existence.

In the faith,
Clare

I wasn't trying to judge whether it was right or wrong. I was trying to explain that the teaching exists and applies to resurrected beings.

 

[skylark1]

I wasn't talking about this thread at all. I was talking about what usually happens on the topics pertaining to Mormonism.

I was hoping to get the discussion back on the the discussion of a topic related to theology by the rest of my post that you omitted in quoting me. I thought that was the main part of my post.

Here it is again, since all seemed to miss it or glance over it.

This thread reminds me of a similar discussion some time ago here at CF. I thought that it might be helpful to repost some of the comments. In doing so I am not trying to tell anyone what they believe, keep anyone from answering, or attempting to solve anything. I'm just posting it for discussion, and hopefully to aid in understanding.

"God Almighty Himself dwells in eternal fire; flesh and blood cannot go there, for all corruption is devoured by the fire. 'Our God is a consuming fire.' When our flesh is quickened by the Spirit, there will be no blood in this tabernacle. Some dwell in higher glory than others."
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 367) (posted by Phoebe Ann)

[link added: TPJS 367 pdf free ebook download from scriptures.byu.edu ]


[Alma 11:45]
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption. Alma 11:45. (posted by ZippythePinhead)

"I agree with you that a spiritual body does not consist of flesh and blood. It is made of spiritual matter. But in the resurrection that spiritual body is reunited with the physical body. Therefore the spirit body is put into a body of flesh and bone, the very one we had here on earth, only perfected, uncorrupted, glorious, and immortal. The spirit body and the physical body never again to be separated. The physical body has no blood after the resurrection. Blood is only present in the physical version of the mortal body." (posted by ZippythePinhead)



Immortality is the restoring of the spirit to the body, 2 Ne. 9:
13 O how great the plan of our God! For on the other hand, the paradise of God must deliver up the spirits of the righteous, and the grave deliver up the body of the righteous; and the spirit and the body is restored to itself again, and all men become incorruptible, and immortal, and they are living souls, having a perfect knowledge like unto us in the flesh, save it be that our knowledge shall be perfect.


Spirits united with their bodies become immortal, never to die again, Alma 11:
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption.

(LDS Guide to the Scriptures) (posted by Phoebe Ann)​

 

[Rescued One]

I was hoping to get the discussion back on the the discussion of a topic related to theology by the rest of my post that you omitted in quoting me. I thought that was the main part of my post.

Here it is again, since all seemed to miss it or glance over it.

This thread reminds me of a similar discussion some time ago here at CF. I thought that it might be helpful to repost some of the comments. In doing so I am not trying to tell anyone what they believe, keep anyone from answering, or attempting to solve anything. I'm just posting it for discussion, and hopefully to aid in understanding.

"God Almighty Himself dwells in eternal fire; flesh and blood cannot go there, for all corruption is devoured by the fire. 'Our God is a consuming fire.' When our flesh is quickened by the Spirit, there will be no blood in this tabernacle. Some dwell in higher glory than others."
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 367) (posted by Phoebe Ann)

[link added: TPJS 367 pdf free ebook download from scriptures.byu.edu ]


[Alma 11:45]
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption. Alma 11:45. (posted by ZippythePinhead)

"I agree with you that a spiritual body does not consist of flesh and blood. It is made of spiritual matter. But in the resurrection that spiritual body is reunited with the physical body. Therefore the spirit body is put into a body of flesh and bone, the very one we had here on earth, only perfected, uncorrupted, glorious, and immortal. The spirit body and the physical body never again to be separated. The physical body has no blood after the resurrection. Blood is only present in the physical version of the mortal body." (posted by ZippythePinhead)



Immortality is the restoring of the spirit to the body, 2 Ne. 9:
13 O how great the plan of our God! For on the other hand, the paradise of God must deliver up the spirits of the righteous, and the grave deliver up the body of the righteous; and the spirit and the body is restored to itself again, and all men become incorruptible, and immortal, and they are living souls, having a perfect knowledge like unto us in the flesh, save it be that our knowledge shall be perfect.


Spirits united with their bodies become immortal, never to die again, Alma 11:
45 Now, behold, I have spoken unto you concerning the death of the mortal body, and also concerning the resurrection of the mortal body. I say unto you that this mortal body is raised to an immortal body, that is from death, even from the first death unto life, that they can die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption.

(LDS Guide to the Scriptures) (posted by Phoebe Ann)​

Did you have a question about the quotes you provided?

 

[Ran77]

Only CF Mormons can spend an endless amount of time debating the debate and discussing the discussion instead of actually debating or discussing. The stated purpose of this entire forum is debate or discussion of Unorthodox theology, not making Mormons who are upset their theology is being mentioned by non-mormons feel better.

If the Mormon posters here don't want to participate in the thread... then don't. No need to constantly troll and hijack good threads.

I notice that there is no actual discussion or debate of the topic in this post. So, have you contributed to the trolling of the thread or assisted in the hijacking of it?


:o

 

[TasteForTruth]

Only CF Mormons can spend an endless amount of time debating the debate and discussing the discussion instead of actually debating or discussing.

Only a fool would debate or discuss the topic in a thread in which the ground-rules of discussion are inequitable, or in which they change or are revealed to exclude or devalue his view by default. I ought to know. I have spent a great deal of my CF time attempting to discuss topics in such threads and many times have had only myself to blame when they proved to be a waste of time. So now it's a case of "fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me."

But feel free lead out here by contributing something on-topic yourself.

 

[skylark1]

Did you have a question about the quotes you provided?

Not really. However, I thought that providing some of what was said in a past discussion here might help the thread to return to the topic that you started.

Was there a question that you had about the quotes you posted in the OP?

 

[Clare73]

Could you clarify your point?

Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Genesis 9:6

Man did not lose the image of God in the fall, for it is reiterated 1600 years later in Ge 9:6.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Rescued One]

Man did not lose the image of God in the fall, for it is reiterated 1600 years later in Ge 9:6.

In the faith,
Clare

I quoted Genesis 9:6 for everyone to read. It says that God made man in his image. Made is past tense. God wasn't making another man in Genesis 9:6.

Is Jesus God in your faith? Will man be conformed to His image?

 

[Rescued One]

Not really. However, I thought that providing some of what was said in a past discussion here might help the thread to return to the topic that you started.

Was there a question that you had about the quotes you posted in the OP?

I was providing information in the OP. If I had a question, I would have asked it.