DNA, the word of God, written in the gene code/language.How can an egg become a chicken? How does a caterpillar become a butterfly? We start out as intelligences and then become spirits, then resurrected beings, it is a process.
That is not what Gen 2:7 states.Rather the spirit + the body = the soul. At death the body returns to the earth and the spirit returns to God.
That is a very Muslim, Islamic, thing to say. That is not how the word "begotten" is used in reference to Jesus Christ. It is used of the resurrection:Sorry, begotten has to do with having sex with your wife and having a child.
How can an egg become a chicken? How does a caterpillar become a butterfly? We start out as intelligences and then become spirits, then resurrected beings, it is a process.
Intelligence or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither can it be. There wasn't a first intelligence.DNA, the word of God, written in the gene code/language.
How do intelligences exist without mind (spirit) / body (flesh)?
How did the first intelligence come to be 'God'?
Are all LDS intelligences equal that are immortal intelligences? In otherwords, are all LDS intelligences that are immortal all-knowing, before becoming/being made mortal?Intelligence or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither can it be. There wasn't a first intelligence.
I am still interested in the LDS answer to the above question (Where is King David right now?).That is not what Gen 2:7 states.
Where is King David right now?
Perhaps this can answer some of your questionsAre all LDS intelligences equal that are immortal intelligences? In otherwords, are all LDS intelligences that are immortal all-knowing, before becoming/being made mortal?
It sounds like pantheism or panentheism from a certain perspective to me. Maybe this can be cleared up.
Are 'dog' intelligences also immortal, and are they equal in intelligence to the non-dog intelligences before becoming/made 'dog' intelligences? I want to know how that works.
How did the first 'God' come from eternal intelligence (to begin the whole thing), if no 'God' existed prior to (LDS) 'create' that 'spirit' who later grew up to be (LDS) 'God' from the eternal intelligence?
Also, why would that which is (LDS) inherently 'immortal', take upon itself mortality, and how?
Does LDS teach that sin existed before Lucifer among the intelligences, spirits, etc?
Is "sin" also eternal in the past (as it also is in the future, for it was stated by LDS that satan (is eternal/immortal)) in LDS understanding?
Perhaps this can answer some of your questions
(Pearl of Great Price | Abraham 3:18 - 28)
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.
20 The Lord thy God sent his angel to deliver thee from the hands of the priest of Elkenah.
21 I dwell in the midst of them all; I now, therefore, have come down unto thee to declare unto thee the works which my hands have made, wherein my wisdom excelleth them all, for I rule in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath, in all wisdom and prudence, over all the intelligences thine eyes have seen from the beginning; I came down in the beginning in the midst of all the intelligences thou hast seen.
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.
24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;
25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.
Can't you see that God our Father is the most intelligent?:Now you have 3 Gods and one is more intelligent then the other, and the 3rd one is the dumbest. Which is the dumbest? How does that fly with this:
Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Php_2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
If Jesus and God are equal---that means the Holy Spirit is the dumbest.
You can't even see how "TOTALY" dumb this position is!!
Can't you see that God our Father is the most intelligent?:
(Old Testament | Psalms 82:1)
1 GOD standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
(Old Testament | Psalms 136:2)
2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.
If I were you, I wouldn't be calling the Holy Ghost the dumbest:
(New Testament | Matthew 12:31)
31 ¶ Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
No I didn't say the Holy Ghost was the dumbest, you did. God the Father is the most intelligent, that is not to say the Holy Ghost is dumb or stupid, He is neither dumb or stupid. The Holy Ghost does many things including:I am not calling the Holy Ghost the dumbest---you all are! We claim all to be equal, you say God is the most intelligent, with Jesus Christ next and then the Holy Spirit---that makes the Holy Spirit the dumbest of the 3. That is truly dumb. And it is you that needs to be careful of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Let me see if I understood the passage clearly:Perhaps this can answer some of your questions
(Pearl of Great Price | Abraham 3:18 - 28)
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.
20 The Lord thy God sent his angel to deliver thee from the hands of the priest of Elkenah.
21 I dwell in the midst of them all; I now, therefore, have come down unto thee to declare unto thee the works which my hands have made, wherein my wisdom excelleth them all, for I rule in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath, in all wisdom and prudence, over all the intelligences thine eyes have seen from the beginning; I came down in the beginning in the midst of all the intelligences thou hast seen.
22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.
24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;
25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.
Do you not believe the bible when it says that you have a spirit, and that God the Father is the Father of that spirit?No, you have that WRONG. What I don't believe are the LIES your church teaches. I believe the BIBLE, not the Mormon fiction. Mormonism criticizes Christian beliefs, then certain Mormons come on here and pretend they actually believe the Bible and accuse the rest of us of ignoring a lot of it. There is no commandment of Jesus that I ignore. I believe in keeping His commandments because I love Him. I don't believe Mormonism's commandments or Mormon extra-biblical scriptures. I don't believe the so-called Word of Wisdom, I don't believe that God sanctioned polygamy on this continent, I don't believe in wearing your so-called sacred underwear, I don't believe that God chose Joseph Smith or any of his followers to be prophets. And I'll run out of space if I continue to list all false teachings and practices of your church.
View attachment 254297 Besides that I might fall asleep!
John 3:16 is one of 6 scriptures that verifies that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He is the only Son that was sired by God. Adam was not sired by God, he was formed from the mud of the earth, and the breath of life brought him to life. Therefore God is not my mortal father or my mortal grandfather to any degree. Adam is, but not God the Father. It is a biological thing.Simple, take a look at Luke 3. God was the Father of Adam, and you are a descendant of Adam, and Eve is the mother of all living. Even Adam, is your 'father'. This is how the Bible uses those terms, even as Belshazzar was the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar II, the Bible still calls Nebuchadnezzar II the "father" of Belshazzar.
You are right about this.Romans 9
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
God created EVERYTHING! Yet not everyone has been adopted.
John 1
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Romans 9:8 is speaking of natural children (children of the flesh, such as was Ishmael), in contrast to the children which came from the promise of God through faith (children born by faith, such as was Isaac):John 3:16 is one of 6 scriptures that verifies that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He is the only Son that was sired by God. Adam was not sired by God, he was formed from the mud of the earth, and the breath of life brought him to life. Therefore God is not my mortal father or my mortal grandfather to any degree. Adam is, but not God the Father. It is a biological thing.
Jesus is the only begotten (biological) Son of God in the flesh. see Romans 9:8.
From this we can see that the word can mean “only” one [Luke 7:2, 8:42, 9:38 KJB], but it can also mean the special child of Promise, of Faith and Love, being “the beloved” [Genesis 15:4-6, 17:4-8,15-19,21, 18:10-14, 21:1-3 KJB], as Isaac was [Hebrews 11:17-19 KJB], since Abraham already had through human effort/works, a previous son, Ishmael, through Hagar, Sarah's maid [Genesis 16:4,10,11,12,15,16, 17:20 KJB].John 3:16 is one of 6 scriptures that verifies that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He is the only Son that was sired by God. Adam was not sired by God, he was formed from the mud of the earth, and the breath of life brought him to life. Therefore God is not my mortal father or my mortal grandfather to any degree. Adam is, but not God the Father. It is a biological thing.
Jesus is the only begotten (biological) Son of God in the flesh. see Romans 9:8.
John 3:16 is one of 6 scriptures that verifies that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He is the only Son that was sired by God. Adam was not sired by God, he was formed from the mud of the earth, and the breath of life brought him to life. Therefore God is not my mortal father or my mortal grandfather to any degree. Adam is, but not God the Father. It is a biological thing.
Jesus is the only begotten (biological) Son of God in the flesh. see Romans 9:8.
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