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Kylie's Pool Challenge

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Based on this poem:


There was a young man who said "God
Must find it exceedingly odd
To think that the tree
Should continue to be
When there's no one about in the quad."

Reply:
"Dear Sir: Your astonishment's odd;
I am always about in the quad.
And that's why the tree
Will continue to be
Since observed by, Yours faithfully, God."

Here is my answer to the OP:


There was a young man who said "fools".
Its exceedingly very uncool,
The think you are able
From mere balls at the table
To know the whole history of pool.


God then chimed in and said "Look"
Don't treat me as some kind of schmuck,
You have partial witness,
But "all knowing" ain't witless,
We're merely from two different schools.
 
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Hey hey you diamond

Lol dude!!! You seem you to have the inability to create a plausible analogy . Please don't lose sleep over this. :)

You seem angry. Is everything ok?

Cheers friend and stay safe

If I am it's at people who quibbling over minutiae instead of actually dealing with the issue I am trying to discuss.
 
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If I am it's at people who quibbling over minutiae instead of actually dealing with the issue I am trying to discuss.

Hey hey Kylie. :)

My dear I am dealing with something relevant. Player 1. You cannot defend your analogy so here we are. You repeating this marvellous word 'quibble' in the hope I will go away.

What is with this word quibble you have used since 2016. It seems familiar. Like something my 3rd grade teacher woud say to incorrigible children. It is boring my friend. :)

Reading your posts it seems that you are an angry person who does not like being proven wrong. You are in the right place. Talk to us friend.

Why are you hurting?

Cheers and look forward to your reply.
 
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Hey hey Kylie. :)

My dear I am dealing with something relevant. Player 1. You cannot defend your analogy so here we are. You repeating this marvellous word 'quibble' in the hope I will go away.

What is with this word quibble you have used since 2016. It seems familiar. Like something my 3rd grade teacher woud say to incorrigible children. It is boring my friend. :)

Reading your posts it seems that you are an angry person who does not like being proven wrong. You are in the right place. Talk to us friend.

Why are you hurting?

Cheers and look forward to your reply.

Person 1 is simply whatever happened. The only important thing is that it is different to what Person 2 wrote down.

No would you answer the question?
 
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Person 1 is simply whatever happened. The only important thing is that it is different to what Person 2 wrote down.

No would you answer the question?

Hey hey friend. :)

The analogy is flawed. No matter what the answer is, the result will be misconstrued.

The analogy has a presumption built in. I will not answer such a flawed question friend.

This challenge has been showed to be inconstitent. Where as you cannot defend this analogy.

Cheers friend
 
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Hey hey friend. :)

The analogy is flawed. No matter what the answer is, the result will be misconstrued.

The analogy has a presumption built in. I will not answer such a flawed question friend.

This challenge has been showed to be inconstitent. Where as you cannot defend this analogy.

Cheers friend

Feel free to rephrase it if you wish.

However, I think what I was asking was very clear, and you seemed to post several times just to point out all your excuses for not answering the question. I've seen it before, and I'm sure I'll see it again.
 
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Before I begin. What do you mean by defeated dad. Did you defeat your dad in some fashion?

Cheers

Feel free to rephrase it if you wish.

Hey hey again. :)

My dear the conditions have been set by you at the beginning. It may seem by suggesting so, your analogy is a bad one!

Love and hugs to you.

However, I think what I was asking was very clear, and you seemed to post several times just to point out all your excuses for not answering the question.

Please excuse me but no kylie, your analogy is flawed and set up to produce a biased outcome. This analogy is a stitch up!

I have given my reasons which you ignore and refuse to address my friend. :) It seems you are more familiar to answer me with a form of ad hominem- quibble.

I've seen it before, and I'm sure I'll see it again.

Are you absolutely certain you will see it again?

What I've seen from you is the unwillingness to admit you are wrong. I'm sure I'll see it again!

You are a star. :)


Ok.
Here is my answer based on your analogy. The pool balls were broken by someone - God. The third person is incorrect. The balls were not placed there.

He is correct though that someone - GOD - instigated something whether the balls were placed or broken. He loses points for getting the logistics and method wrong but he retains points for believing there was a catalyst.

So my friend show me your cards. How does your analogy effectively get across your point? :)

Ps.
I've gone back and read multiple posts you have authored. You seem angry and upset.

Is everything ok? Lean on me you marvel.

Cheers. You are a special and unique person who matters. :)
 
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Before I begin. What do you mean by defeated dad. Did you defeat your dad in some fashion?
No, "dad" is a person that participates on this subforum, and yes, his username is awkward and unfortunate. dad's motto is "undefeated", and after debating the guy so much and him being unable to ever present actual evidence in support of his position, Kylie eventually just changed her motto to "defeated dad".
 
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Before I begin. What do you mean by defeated dad. Did you defeat your dad in some fashion?

Cheers

I mean that I have been able to show that every single argument he uses to support his notion that the laws of the universe were different in the past/ far reaches of the universe is wrong.

My dear the conditions have been set by you at the beginning. It may seem by suggesting so, your analogy is a bad one!

Love and hugs to you.

Like I said, feel free to rephrase it if you wish. I cannot help but notice that you didn't do it. Sounds to me like you are more interested in just saying that I am wrong than in actually having a discussion about the issue.

Please excuse me but no kylie, your analogy is flawed and set up to produce a biased outcome. This analogy is a stitch up!

I have given my reasons which you ignore and refuse to address my friend. :) It seems you are more familiar to answer me with a form of ad hominem- quibble.

Then feel free to rephrase it.

You can't really expect me to take your arguments seriously when I am giving you the opportunity to rephrase it in any way you like to make it more to your liking.

Are you absolutely certain you will see it again?

What I've seen from you is the unwillingness to admit you are wrong. I'm sure I'll see it again!

You are a star. :)

Since I have offered you the chance to rephrase the hypothetical situation and you refuse to do so, yet complain that the hypothetical is phrased badly, yes, I see you doing it right now.

Ok.
Here is my answer based on your analogy. The pool balls were broken by someone - God. The third person is incorrect. The balls were not placed there.

He is correct though that someone - GOD - instigated something whether the balls were placed or broken. He loses points for getting the logistics and method wrong but he retains points for believing there was a catalyst.

So my friend show me your cards. How does your analogy effectively get across your point? :)

How do you know it was God?

Ps.
I've gone back and read multiple posts you have authored. You seem angry and upset.

Is everything ok? Lean on me you marvel.

Cheers. You are a special and unique person who matters. :)

Wow.

You say things like this as though we are best friends, and yet you consistently ignore my offer to let you rephrase the argument, you quibble over details, you just declare that I am wrong without seeming to make any effort to actually understand the point I am making, and you insinuate that there is something wrong with me because I have little tolerance for people who waste my time.

Your words do not match your actions.
 
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No, "dad" is a person that participates on this subforum, and yes, his username is awkward and unfortunate. dad's motto is "undefeated", and after debating the guy so much and him being unable to ever present actual evidence in support of his position, Kylie eventually just changed her motto to "defeated dad".

Hello there my new friend. :)

I see now. Thank you kindly for clarifying. :)

Cheers
 
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I mean that I have been able to show that every single argument he uses to support his notion that the laws of the universe were different in the past/ far reaches of the universe is wrong.

Hey hey you spectacular and amazing person. :)

Wow, now I get it. I was not around to witness this triumph. Congratulations. Another feather in your cap. :)

Like I said, feel free to rephrase it if you wish. I cannot help but notice that you didn't do it. Sounds to me like you are more interested in just saying that I am wrong than in actually having a discussion about the issue.

I am trying to point out you are wrong. It is quite the centerpiece of my arguement. :)

I explained why. Sounds to me that you were more interested to dodge the question of the catalyst until I identified Him as the Christian God.

All good now. We are finally there - as seen in your below question.

Then feel free to rephrase it.


You can't really expect me to take your arguments seriously when I am giving you the opportunity to rephrase it in any way you like to make it more to your liking.

Before I entertain such a thing. Why do we need to rephrase your flawed analogy?
What will that accomplish? What would we rephrase?

I see you doing it right now.

What a coincidence my dear. I see you doing it right now. :)

How do you know it was God?

We have a catalyst that either places the balls or "breaks" them. This character in your analogy is represented by a human being that gets the balls running (.eg the formation of the universe.

My amazing friend, Who else could it be?

Wow.


You say things like this as though we are best friends,

We could be. :) I like you!

and yet you consistently ignore my offer to let you rephrase the argument, you quibble over details,

Spotto. Quibble!

My dear we may have to start a tally and see how many you reach. :)


you just declare that I am wrong without seeming to make any effort to actually understand the point I am making,

In the case I am misinformed. What point do you wish to make?

and you insinuate that there is something wrong with me because I have little tolerance for people who waste my time.

Please forgive me if I over stepped. Your tone in quite a few responses seems upset or angry. Let's leave this subject alone.

Anyways I like you and hope you the best my exquisite gem. :)


However I think this response is interesting. It seems you give a reason or an example for excusing intolerance to a group of people.

Please excuse me. If someone wastes your time then that allows you to treat them different?

Your words do not match your actions.

Please excuse me friend. What words do I use that do not match my actions?

Cheers

I look forward to our conversation. :) hugs
 
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I mean that I have been able to show that every single argument he uses to support his notion that the laws of the universe were different in the past/ far reaches of the universe is wrong.
I don't know about laws being different, but the universe in general was certainly configured differently at one time in 4004 BC.

On its seventh day of existence:
  1. entropy didn't exist
  2. its moons and planets had no craters
  3. there was no space dust, comets, or asteroids
  4. life wouldn't grow old and die
  5. Earth revolved around the sun in exactly 360 days
  6. thorns & thistles didn't exist
  7. women weren't to experience pain in childbearing
  8. the gene pool was perfect
  9. man & animals were omnivorous, since fruit served as meat as well
 
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I am trying to point out you are wrong. It is quite the centerpiece of my arguement. :)

First, I have given you plenty of opportunities to correct my hypothetical, which you have refused to do. You seem more interested in just complaining about it rather than having a meaningful discussion about it, and as such, you appear to be wasting my time.

Secondly, it shows you do not understand what my argument is. (Or perhaps you DO understand my argument, and know that if you actually try to address that instead of your strawman of it, you would quickly find yourself on the losing side.)

I explained why. Sounds to me that you were more interested to dodge the question of the catalyst until I identified Him as the Christian God.

But when you did so, you place your conclusion as one of your premises. That is circular logic and falls apart. I can just as easily prove that magical shoe elves exist by saying, "Imagine there are magical shoe elves that make shoes. Since we know shoes are made, that must mean that the shoe elves are real."

Try it again without using your conclusion as a premise and then I'll pay attention. Until then, your lack of understanding how basic logic works means I can't hope to have a rational discussion with you.

Before I entertain such a thing. Why do we need to rephrase your flawed analogy?
What will that accomplish? What would we rephrase?

You could correct the flaw you see. Do you not understand how this works?

We have a catalyst that either places the balls or "breaks" them. This character in your analogy is represented by a human being that gets the balls running (.eg the formation of the universe.

My amazing friend, Who else could it be?

Like I said, you are putting your conclusion as one of your premises. That is bad logic and if you want to have a discussion that uses logic, you won't get far making such basic mistakes.

Also, the discussion was never about the nature of the catalyst that set the balls in motion. It was about whether person 3 was right to blindly accept the text that person 2 wrote about it.

We could be. :) I like you!

No. We could not be friends. I find your attempts at compliments completely at odds with the way you do not pay attention to the points that I make, instead quibbling over things that I have said don't matter.

In the case I am misinformed. What point do you wish to make?

That Person 3 is wrong to blindly accept the text written by Person 2.

Please excuse me. If someone wastes your time then that allows you to treat them different?

I see no reason why I should allow someone to waste my time. If they do so, I will react with anger, and I'm not going to keep it bottled up just to avoid upsetting them.

Please excuse me friend. What words do I use that do not match my actions?

You call me your friend, you offer compliments such as "gem" "wonderful" etc, and yet you do not seem to care the slightest bit about what I actually have to say. You have misrepresented my point from the very start. That is not the action of someone who cares for me in any way.
 
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I don't know about laws being different, but the universe in general was certainly configured differently at one time in 4004 BC.

On its seventh day of existence:
  1. entropy didn't exist
  2. its moons and planets had no craters
  3. there was no space dust, comets, or asteroids
  4. life wouldn't grow old and die
  5. Earth revolved around the sun in exactly 360 days
  6. thorns & thistles didn't exist
  7. women weren't to experience pain in childbearing
  8. the gene pool was perfect
  9. man & animals were omnivorous, since fruit served as meat as well

Wow, I don't even know where to begin with that...
 
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I don't know about laws being different, but the universe in general was certainly configured differently at one time in 4004 BC.

On its seventh day of existence:
entropy didn't exist
I challenge you to find any scripture that suggests that. Personally, if one considers YHWH to be a high concentration of an immense amount of energy with sentience, I would suggest that creating a universe may result in much of that energy moving to a lower state that falls in line with entropy.

its moons and planets had no craters
there was no space dust, comets, or asteroids
-_- just because the bible doesn't mention asteroids specifically being created doesn't mean that they weren't along with the planets (the bible doesn't mention every planet either, but you consider them all to have been created at the same time anyways). For all we know, YHWH considers all orbiting objects of significant mass to be planets.

life wouldn't grow old and die
To be fair, consuming fruit means that the cells in that fruit must be crushed and killed. Not only that, but what about fungi, which exist to decompose? Heck, on what day were they created? The same day as plants, which they somewhat resemble, or the same day as land animals, which as far as I am aware fungi are more closely related to?

Earth revolved around the sun in exactly 360 days
Counter: the speed at which Earth spins on its axis has been on a continuous, very slow decline. One day in the future, if the planet exists long enough, your statement will be true, but in the past, it should have always taken more days, not fewer, from now.

thorns & thistles didn't exist
I'm sure at one point in Earth's history that they didn't, but fossil evidence places spikey plants as being quite ancient.

women weren't to experience pain in childbearing
Some women don't report feeling much pain when giving birth, and I have herd that a rare few even [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] during the process. It's not consistent.

the gene pool was perfect
Never stated to be the case in a direct sense. Heck, I am pretty sure that it is implied that Adam and Eve had to eat of the tree of life to maintain their youth, so they had to be created with the capacity to age and die.

man & animals were omnivorous, since fruit served as meat as well
Out of curiosity, do you think Adam and Eve consumed milk and eggs, or not? If not, how did they get vitamin B 12?
 
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You can start by taking "Defeated Dad" off your caption.

lol, you make me laugh.

Your list is just a bunch of things you accept with no rational basis whatsoever. I'm not going to take "Defeated Dad" off just because you happen to agree with some of the same things he does. If you think it is undeserved, then why don't you try defending his beliefs and then I can add "Defeated AV" to it as well.

Although, given the number of times I've got you so worked up in a tangle that you've had to run away from a discussion in order to avoid contradicting yourself, I'd say I already have defeated you, many times. You just don't crow about how undefeated you are.
 
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Do you know the difference between "With" and "At"?
Sure do.

Jesus was laughed at and scorned and ridiculed.

Why shouldn't His followers be as well?
 
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